Good program Gone Bad?

[ZBCOACH]

Any views or opinions on this team?

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=280988&Gt1=7703&mpc=2

[MR TWISTER]

Wow! Just goes to show that the bright lights of MTV can not be what you want, especially if you are doing something you hould not be doing.

[Mr. White]

They should be concerned about the rules he is breaking such as 1) passing kids to keep them on the team, 2) playing ineligible players, and 3) failing to report the extra income he's making directly from the football program. Giving preferrential treatment to players should be the biggest issue here. I'm sure it goes on at many places, but teachers really have to stand their ground and not give special treatment. If I have my best wrestler in class and he's failing, then he's failing bottom line (even if my principal tells me to pass him). I cannot stand when anyone receives special treatment, and that means anyone (including special ed, no offense twist, I do what I am legally required to do but it doesn't mean I agree with it). Maybe they should have just given all the football players IEPs, then this wouldn't even be an issue. Just kidding, but seriously they should have to forfeit some games or something to make up for it. If the teachers and administrators don't emphasize academics, then who will?

The coach's personal life should not even come into play, unless it directly involves one of the students or athletes in the school. I believe in practicing what you preach, but obviously this guy doesn't...his choice, keep the personal life out of it.

[The LOCK]

wow... Now if this was to happen in Illinois what school and sport would it happen to???

[Amanda Donovan]

They should be concerned about the rules he is breaking such as 1) passing kids to keep them on the team, 2) playing ineligible players, and 3) failing to report the extra income he's making directly from the football program. Giving preferrential treatment to players should be the biggest issue here. I'm sure it goes on at many places, but teachers really have to stand their ground and not give special treatment. If I have my best wrestler in class and he's failing, then he's failing bottom line (even if my principal tells me to pass him). I cannot stand when anyone receives special treatment, and that means anyone (including special ed, no offense twist, I do what I am legally required to do but it doesn't mean I agree with it). Maybe they should have just given all the football players IEPs, then this wouldn't even be an issue. Just kidding, but seriously they should have to forfeit some games or something to make up for it. If the teachers and administrators don't emphasize academics, then who will?

The coach's personal life should not even come into play, unless it directly involves one of the students or athletes in the school. I believe in practicing what you preach, but obviously this guy doesn't...his choice, keep the personal life out of it.


I like you Mr. White. Since I am a special education teacher, I will remain silent on the issue. I will only ask, are you aware of the criteria to have an IEP? We don't just hand them out like candy.

[Amanda Donovan]

wow... Now if this was to happen in Illinois what school and sport would it happen to???


In Illinois, I would say football. If this was Iowa, it would be wrestling.

[Mr. White]

I like you Mr. White. Since I am a special education teacher, I will remain silent on the issue. I will only ask, are you aware of the criteria to have an IEP? We don't just hand them out like candy.
My comment about getting IEPs for the football players was made in jest. I am somewhat aware of the criteria. I also am aware that a 'learning disability' is very difficult if not impossible to define. At my old school there were an overwhelming amount of students with IEPs that I feel were misdiagnosed as having a 'learning disability' when really they were just your average C student, but the parents want them to get As, and since they can't get As they must have a 'learning disability'. Of course that is not my specialty, so maybe I should just drop it.

Don't get me wrong, I am not completely against special education. I just think it gets a little out of hand, that's all. Sorry to change the subject of the thread.

[Amanda Donovan]

My comment about getting IEPs for the football players was made in jest. I am somewhat aware of the criteria. I also am aware that a 'learning disability' is very difficult if not impossible to define. At my old school there were an overwhelming amount of students with IEPs that I feel were misdiagnosed as having a 'learning disability' when really they were just your average C student, but the parents want them to get As, and since they can't get As they must have a 'learning disability'. Of course that is not my specialty, so maybe I should just drop it.

Don't get me wrong, I am not completely against special education. I just think it gets a little out of hand, that's all. Sorry to change the subject of the thread.

I agree that some districts over identify students with specific learning disability by justifying them in to qualify. Due to recent legislation I don't think this trend will continue. There are suppose to be specific critera and I know that my district follows this very closely and will not just have any kid qualify based on the request of the parents. I do get what you are saying.

We will take it back to topic.