Regional thoughts

[Dawg Watcher]

Kelly Green-

Patiently awaiting your thoughts on this weekends Regionals....:confused:

[Kelly Green]

I don’t normally do request(lol)...but here it goes:

Disclosure Statement: These ideas/opinions are MINE and only MINE and in no way, shape, or form represent the ideas of the Little Celtic Wrestling Club.

My biggest problem with today was:

1. Only three mats with around 250-300 kids which meant a very, very long day.
2. The Senior and Novice division bracket sizes.(Same problem every year tho)

Bracket size first:

The IKWF regional tournament(s) for the Senior Division really needs to be addressed. In fact, the over all numbers in the Senior division needs to be addressed. How many 1,2 or 3 man brackets where out there this weekend??? Way to many at the regional I was at. You would figure a South Chicago regional would have semi-filled brackets. Not the case at Plainfield South HS today. Out of 19 weight classes in the Senior division, 13 brackets had 3 kids or less!?!?! 13...that’s pathetic.

The Novice division wasn’t much better. I think there were 12 brackets with 3 kids or less and most the Novice brackets only had 4 kids.

I sat in my regional tournament all day to watch a grand total of 3 matches, and I had 2 boys wrestling today. Son #2 had 1 bout(at 3:30pm) and son #1 had the other 2. There were people who were there most of the day for 1 match.

What can be done to fix this??? Here are my ideas...

1. Eliminate the 3 regional tournament concept. Is there a sectional in the state that really needs 3 regional tournaments? The South Chicago Section doesn’t for sure. Never has as long as I’ve been in it. There are plenty of facilities that could accommodate a larger regional tournament if needed.

2. Redesign the Senior age division. WOW! There’s an idea. As we all know, the IKWF Senior division is basically 95% 8th graders and 5% 7th graders. Sure, it’s a 13/14 year old division but there are very, very few 14 year olds. My idea is to make the Senior division 7th and 8th graders and the Novice 5th and 6th graders. This would increase the numbers in each division. BTW the Midgets would be 3rd and 4th graders. Rookies would be K-2nd grade.

This one I’m really going to get flack for...

3. When the state series begins...the Midgets and 8-unders season should end. Or, at least the Seniors and Novice should be in their own facility and separated from the Midgets/8-unders running their own regional. Why have a regional for the Midgets when they can’t go to state? Why have a Sectional for the Midgets if they can’t go to state? That’s the whole purpose of a regional/sectional tournament...to qualify for State. The IKWF State Series is for the Novice and Seniors...PERIOD. Here’s an idea...while the Senior/Novice regionals are taking place you could have 10 and under tournaments. Just not at the same facility as the Senior/Novice regional. It’s kinda ironic. The largest group of wrestlers in the IKWF are the 10 and unders, yet the IKWF doesn’t have an individual State tournament or a Dual Team State tournament for them. You wonder why Didi host his Midget "state"? It accomplishes 2 things....#1. It meets the needs of the majority in the IKWF and #2, I’m sure it’s worth his while.



I don’t blame the Plainfield club for this horrific day. It’s really more of an organization(as in IKWF) problem I think. They(Plainfield) can’t control the number of kids in the brackets or the age division issue or the lack of a "true" state tournament for the Midgets. All tho, 4 mats were needed or as a minimum, cut the mats in half for the 8-unders to move things along, and the food situation was bad, and the Girl Scout thing wasn't to cool. But other than that...not to bad:)

As great as the IKWF is, it’s not perfect. These are just a few ideas, I have, to make it better.

I’m up for comments, concern... but please keep the personal attacks to a minimum:)

[colonel kurtz]

i had 2 kids for a total of 2 matches = 9hrs 30min.

Let the kids wrestle and go home.Theres no reason other than to keep families stuck in a place to milk them out of there money at the food vendors.theres no grand march or any special reasons why a bracket with 2/3 guys in it has to wait untill the finals to wrestle.

[ImpactCoach]

I thought for the most part the york regional was very well run. 5 mats 7 refs plenty of table workers no breaks. Got people with only 2 in a bracket in and out. York h.s. is a very nice facillity. Hopefully next week oswego east will do just as well for our sectional. But I do have to say one thing there needs to be a better way of getting kids to mats rather than announcing thier name on a pa. I had a situation today where one of my wrestlers was "supposedly" called he didn't hear my name and had to forfiet his match. I know for a fact that this happened to more than one club. if you are going to call wrestlers to mats this way two things need to happen. Make sure that both wrestlers are there before you assign a mat and hand one wrestler a bout card ( they would hand the first guys a bout card and tell him a mat and he would take off) saw this happen in more than one occasion. Also if you doesn't report to the head table on the 2nd call, call a coach to the head table so he can find that wrestler or find out what is going on. But for the most part hats off to the people who ran the York regional. I thought it was very well run.

Now I have some personal things I wanna say to all my parents that read this web site. I couldn't be prouder of all the kids today we had some big time obstacles to overcome. Between Chad's illness and Brandon and Tyler's family emergency. We never came with excuses. We stared adversity down and overcame. I told all the boys before the meet I couldn't of asked for a better group of wrestlers to start my club off with than the group I have. What we lack in expierence we make up for with heart, moxy, and aggressiveness. Guys we brought 16 into regionals and 15 of you guys made it to sectionals good job. Lets work hard in practice this week and take oswego by storm.

Congrads to all finalists at the York regional.

Coach Chris

[Spike]

I don’t normally do request(lol)...but here it goes:

Disclosure Statement: These ideas/opinions are MINE and only MINE and in no way, shape, or form represent the ideas of the Little Celtic Wrestling Club.

My biggest problem with today was:

1. Only three mats with around 250-300 kids which meant a very, very long day.
2. The Senior and Novice division bracket sizes.(Same problem every year tho)

Bracket size first:

The IKWF regional tournament(s) for the Senior Division really needs to be addressed. In fact, the over all numbers in the Senior division needs to be addressed. How many 1,2 or 3 man brackets where out there this weekend??? Way to many at the regional I was at. You would figure a South Chicago regional would have semi-filled brackets. Not the case at Plainfield South HS today. Out of 19 weight classes in the Senior division, 13 brackets had 3 kids or less!?!?! 13...that’s pathetic.

The Novice division wasn’t much better. I think there were 12 brackets with 3 kids or less and most the Novice brackets only had 4 kids.

I sat in my regional tournament all day to watch a grand total of 3 matches, and I had 2 boys wrestling today. Son #2 had 1 bout(at 3:30pm) and son #1 had the other 2. There were people who were there most of the day for 1 match.

What can be done to fix this??? Here are my ideas...

1. Eliminate the 3 regional tournament concept. Is there a sectional in the state that really needs 3 regional tournaments? The South Chicago Section doesn’t for sure. Never has as long as I’ve been in it. There are plenty of facilities that could accommodate a larger regional tournament if needed.

2. Redesign the Senior age division. WOW! There’s an idea. As we all know, the IKWF Senior division is basically 95% 8th graders and 5% 7th graders. Sure, it’s a 13/14 year old division but there are very, very few 14 year olds. My idea is to make the Senior division 7th and 8th graders and the Novice 5th and 6th graders. This would increase the numbers in each division. BTW the Midgets would be 3rd and 4th graders. Rookies would be K-2nd grade.

This one I’m really going to get flack for...

3. When the state series begins...the Midgets and 8-unders season should end. Or, at least the Seniors and Novice should be in their own facility and separated from the Midgets/8-unders running their own regional. Why have a regional for the Midgets when they can’t go to state? Why have a Sectional for the Midgets if they can’t go to state? That’s the whole purpose of a regional/sectional tournament...to qualify for State. The IKWF State Series is for the Novice and Seniors...PERIOD. Here’s an idea...while the Senior/Novice regionals are taking place you could have 10 and under tournaments. Just not at the same facility as the Senior/Novice regional. It’s kinda ironic. The largest group of wrestlers in the IKWF are the 10 and unders, yet the IKWF doesn’t have an individual State tournament or a Dual Team State tournament for them. You wonder why Didi host his Midget "state"? It accomplishes 2 things....#1. It meets the needs of the majority in the IKWF and #2, I’m sure it’s worth his while.



I don’t blame the Plainfield club for this horrific day. It’s really more of an organization(as in IKWF) problem I think. They(Plainfield) can’t control the number of kids in the brackets or the age division issue or the lack of a "true" state tournament for the Midgets. All tho, 4 mats were needed or as a minimum, cut the mats in half for the 8-unders to move things along, and the food situation was bad, and the Girl Scout thing wasn't to cool. But other than that...not to bad:)

As great as the IKWF is, it’s not perfect. These are just a few ideas, I have, to make it better.

I’m up for comments, concern... but please keep the personal attacks to a minimum:)
K.G.,

I agree with a majority of what you have stated, except the idea of redesigning the age divisions.

In regards to brackets with two kids, those kids need get their bout done and over with. Waiting 7 and 1/2 hour(or more) for one match is shameful, especially when this happens in bantams, where for most, it's their last tournament of the year. Not a very good lasting impression for a kid and his parents when considering if they will wrestle next season. There is no positive coming out of these types of situation no matter what division.

I also don't understand the great need to have Bantams use full mats at regionals, in most cases they haven't wrestled on full mats all year. They don't need the bigger mats like the bigger kids. More mats should make a faster, more efficient and less frustrating system.

[Nic9er]

In the State Brackets each year they include the wrestlers age, I would be more interested in his grade than his age. 75% of the novice 12yo's are 7th graders which is why they won't require the 7th grade 12yo's to wrestle in the senior division.

I am out .....
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[YC MOM]

I would like to applaud Mike Conrad and all of his shark parents and coaches for a great run regional at Miane East HS. We were out of there at 2:30 with only a few matches to go. They did run out of everything at concessions and choices were very limited. I can understand not wanting to have too much food left over but running out of nachos by 11 and hot dogs by noon. Not too good. I also have to agree about not needing 3 regionals in the North Chicago section. We have 50 kids on our team roster but the majority of those kids are bantams. We only brought 20 kids to regionals. I'm sure that most clubs have the same situations. Too many 4 man and less brackets. I too had 2 wrestlers with a combined 3 mathces for the day.
Once again hats off to the Sharks organization for running a great tournament.
Good luck to all the boys and girls moving on to sectionals, midget state and state.

[Spartandog]

[QUOTE=Kelly Green]I don’t normally do request(lol)...but here it goes:

Disclosure Statement: These ideas/opinions are MINE and only MINE and in no way, shape, or form represent the ideas of the Little Celtic Wrestling Club.





This one I’m really going to get flack for...

3. When the state series begins...the Midgets and 8-unders season should end. Or, at least the Seniors and Novice should be in their own facility and separated from the Midgets/8-unders running their own regional. Why have a regional for the Midgets when they can’t go to state? Why have a Sectional for the Midgets if they can’t go to state? That’s the whole purpose of a regional/sectional tournament...to qualify for State. The IKWF State Series is for the Novice and Seniors...PERIOD. Here’s an idea...while the Senior/Novice regionals are taking place you could have 10 and under tournaments. Just not at the same facility as the Senior/Novice regional. It’s kinda ironic. The largest group of wrestlers in the IKWF are the 10 and unders, yet the IKWF doesn’t have an individual State tournament or a Dual Team State tournament for them. You wonder why Didi host his Midget "state"? It accomplishes 2 things....#1. It meets the needs of the majority in the IKWF and #2, I’m sure it’s worth his while.



I don’t blame the Plainfield club for this horrific day. It’s really more of an organization(as in IKWF) problem I think. They(Plainfield) can’t control the number of kids in the brackets or the age division issue or the lack of a "true" state tournament for the Midgets. All tho, 4 mats were needed or as a minimum, cut the mats in half for the 8-unders to move things along, and the food situation was bad, and the Girl Scout thing wasn't to cool. But other than that...not to bad:)

As great as the IKWF is, it’s not perfect. These are just a few ideas, I have, to make it better.


I'm with you on one thing here, for sure, Kelly Green...

I honestly am having a hard time with the Bantam Division being involved in something as important as the State Series! I think the Midget Division needs the exposure to the State Series atmosphere, but I think having the Bantams in the mix takes so much away from the serious nature of the State Series. Maybe we can set something up for the pups on another day?

[Spartandog]

i had 2 kids for a total of 2 matches = 9hrs 30min.

Let the kids wrestle and go home.Theres no reason other than to keep families stuck in a place to milk them out of there money at the food vendors.theres no grand march or any special reasons why a bracket with 2/3 guys in it has to wait untill the finals to wrestle.

The greatest reason for any wrestler to be there the entire day, is because he has teammates there also...

One thing that really eats at most coaches I know, is to see a wrestler finish wrestling and watch him pack up and leave, with no regard to his temmates that were there cheering him/her on during their match.

[Jaguar]

I agree that Bantams do not need to be at the Novice/Senior regionals. Our Bantams are already done with their season by that time, but that is another post for another day.


Age groups by grade might work, but there should also be an age limit per grade category. If a wrestler is too old for 5th and 6th grade, for example, they must bump up to 7th and 8th. (But, I don't see that happening)

Two regionals per sectional seems to be the way to go.

I doubt that the IKWF wants to put more North Chicago Teams into the West Chicago sectional. The talent level is stacked there already.

[Buzz]

I get so tired of hearing about the Bantum Division getting in the way and taking away from the Seniors. Obviously, I am the Mother of 2 Bantums although my son wrestled the midget division at regionals yesterday. I agree that if Regionals and Sectionals are for the Seniors then the IKWF should make some changes but if it is still open to Bantums then Bantums will be there. Even though they are little, they, like the older kids, hate to see their season end. I have heard more comments since my son started to wrestle about the little kids getting in the way and even during the regular season and I wonder when they started? Didn't they too start out wrestling as a little kid?

As far as the Bantums wrestling on the full mats. . .well, in my opinion it was great for them. The little kids like to do as the big kids! More of a reason for the seniors to act as good mentors and role models.

Lastly, the hosting schools made a little extra money off all of the little Bantums!

[Jaguar]

I don't know what your are talking about. It has been a couple of years since I analyzed things, but the last time I looked at the State placers from each sectional and compared them all, the West Chicago sectional came out on top. If you are telling me that the West Chicago Sectional is weak, then you obviously don't know what you are talking about. As for where wrestlers are from, I assume you are referring to Martinez and the fact that they get kids from the North Chicago Sectional. Well, I have news for you, they get kids from other sectionals too, including South Chicago, Central Chicago, etc. (Plano, Morris, Ottawa, Plainfield, etc.)

[bigred]

Heard alot of the slams before and reasons why kids wrestle for Martinez but this is first time I've seen it inferred that kids go there so they can be in a weaker section (west chicago) and have an easier route to Rockford. Did I misinterpret this? Have you looked at the clubs in this section recently?

[ImpactCoach]

Last time I checked the same top three in every sectional made it down. Now being a new club to the west chicago section. I will say this what we lack in numbers we certainly do not lack in quality of talent. So for a kid that felt like he couldn't place top 3 in another sectional would not have a easier time placing top 3 in our sectional. As far as the Martinez issue goes. If people wanna haul there kids all that way to wrestle for that club. Then let them wrestle. I mean I have 3 very good kids that come from south naperville which should be fox valley club. That make the trip to my club every night for practice. Now I know that it is the same section and ya da ya da ya da. But If the parents are willing to dedicate the time to get thier kids there then us in the ikwf or anybody does not have a leg to stand on until thier is a rule against it. Which I could never see happen.

[Jaguar]

You're kidding me, right? What do numbers have to do with it? Do you think little Ramos went to Martinez because he thought the West Chicago Sectional was weaker and he would have an easier time getting out of the sectional? I don't think so! It wouldn't matter what sectional he was in. He will be a state champ again this year most likely. Is that why Wroble went there last year? Definitely not. He wouldn't have had trouble getting out fo the North Chicago Sectional. Numbers don't mean much by itself. People go to Martinez for pretty much one reason - they believe it will make their little wrestler a better wrestler (better instruction, better practice room, better practice partners, etc.) I am not saying it is all true, but that is what people believe. Just talk to them; they will tell you. Do you think Uccardis or Ellingwoods went to Martinez because they thought the West Chiago Sectional was easier than the South Chicago Sectional? Or how about guys like Lowman and Dergo - did they go to Martinez because the West Chacago Sectional is easier than the West Sectional? No way! They went there because their parents thought it was the best place for them to improve and get better.

[Nic9er]

You are talking teams I am talking numbers. The odds were still better in one sectional because there are less wrestlers. 3-4 man brackets compaired to 8-12 man brackets. Numbers can't lie ...... this is pointless, I am getting no where .... there are different way of looking at things. Numbers and odds come into play greatly weather people understand it or not.

Will Ramo's win state .... we will see because 84 is loaded this year.

I never mentioned any clubs .... there are more than 1 that pull wrestlers from other areas. Doesn't matter to each their own, and no teams were named by me. Thank you.

I am out .... and think what you like.
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[ImpactCoach]

All i'm saying is that top 3 still go. and as far as three man brackets go ? unless its super light or super heavy all the brackets will probably have at least 8 good kids in them at our sectional. I mean at regional we had 4 at 275. Which I think is a decent sized bracket at hwyt for a regional. We can all argue this until we are blue in the face but bottom line is doesn't matter how big the brackets are I wouldn't say that it is easier at all to get through the west chicago sectional. I just think that some parents think there are better coaches and more elite clubs thats why they bring there kids where they do. And then you also have great feeder clubs like Blackhawk and Oswego that have what I think are tremondeous numbers and reps. and honestly its not going to get any easier even the small up and coming clubs like medalist and impact did very well so top to bottom as far as quality goes there isn't anything alot harder to get through then the west chicago sectional

[ImpactCoach]

[QUOTE=Nic9er]Will Ramo's win state .... we will see because 84 is loaded this year.
QUOTE]

Its a good thing ramos is wrestling 95 then isn't it ?

[Jaguar]

You are right. I don't understand you. You say it is about numbers and odds. Are you talking about wrestling or gambling?

[Nic9er]

84 -- 95 ... whatever weight .... with 12,500 IKWF wrestlers you want me to remember what weight one wrestler picked to wrestle at in another sectional. :p

If he beats our guy oh well if our guy wins he can have a soda. :D

It doesn't matter what weight Ramo's is at .... put them all on the mats and let them do their thing. :eek:

Think about it, you coach them and train them all year, but only they decide if they win or loss. :rolleyes:

It has been to quiet this year .....

LADYS AND GENTS ARE YOU READY TO WRESTLE!!!!!

..... I am out
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[Monster]

Most of the kids from the west chicago section go on to high school in the downers grove section. nuff said