NCHS, Normal West, Bloomington, University

[DocKO]

Is this the proper ranking of these four schools? In today's Pantagraph, this is how they are listed for dual records.

Historically, who has the toughest schedule, most potential for placers out of these four?

[Mr.Esterhouse]

That's an easy one.
Bloomington has won the Big 12 conference 14 of the last 16 years.
Bloomington has won the intercity 15 of the last 16 years.
Bloomington has had 12 AA State placewinners, 5 AA state finalists and 1 AA State Champion in the last 16 years. -And 5 fargo All-Americans and 3 greco National Champions.
Normal has never had a placewinner in the past 15 years.
Normal West has never had a State placewinner ever.
U-High was last in the intercity and has never had a AA State placewinner.

[Mr.Esterhouse]

Is this the proper ranking of these four schools? In today's Pantagraph, this is how they are listed for dual records.

Historically, who has the toughest schedule, most potential for placers out of these four?

Normal and West wrestle easy schedules. Bloomington Duals Edwardsville, Providence, Marist, Granite City etc... so they take a few more losses.

[CentralILFan]

Bloomington is one of about 4 downstate schools that go heads up against the big boys every year...they made the final 8 at team state a couple years ago, gave Glenbard North a real good match there. The regularly have all-staters and finalists; 2000-2 placers-1 finalist, 2001-2 placers-1 finalist, 2002-1 placer, 2004-1 placer-1 finalist, 2005-1 placer, 2006-2 placers-1 finalist...They were real young this year and last, they had 2 kids that were 1 match away from placing this year. None of the other area schools have even had one placer in the last 15 years.

[MR. WARLOCK]

They are all week schools right now but Esterhouse is right in my opinion.

[Timesfreelanceguy]

no question. bloomington.

hmmm...seems the P'graph needs some grapple assistance, and the SE is a former QC guy...U-High almost had a placewinner this year with Waropay at 171. I really hoped he'd make the podium. He's got to be one of the five nicest kids I've interviewed from out-of-town schools, who didn't know me from Adam when I interviewed him. Maybe No. 1.

Shannon

[gutwrenchu2]

I would have to say if you are looking at history bloomington would be the best school. But I do not think that is going to be the case in the future, bloomington hasn't looked very good these last couple seasons. Also about the u high comment about no aa state place winners. If I recall they have not been a double a team for very long. I would have to say judging by the way they have improved over the last five years and the kids club they run. Bloomington will no longer be the twin citys powerhouse.

[uhwrestle]

UHigh is definetly coming up w/ some of the new kids they will be bringing in...bee and reel @ u high...possibly.....they will have a very very tough middleweight line up w/ a few sectional qualifiers and 1 state qualifier

[Buck]

rumor has it bee will be going to bloomington not u high

[THE_ONE]

rumor has it be will be going to bloomington not u high


who will be going to bloomington???

[Emmett Fitz-Hume]

the argument for u-high over bloomington is baseless. it looks like u-high fans are pinning their hopes on a couple of question marks. lets say reel and bee go to u-high. their talent will be wasted in a poor program. plus...bee and reel are products of better programs anyways. bottom line is, kids get better at bloomington.

DIDN'T U-HIGH GET LAST IN INTERCITY...they won four matches against bloomington last year. now somehow they are going to pass normal and normal west and overtake bloomington...right.

[Wrestleru97]

UHigh is definetly coming up w/ some of the new kids they will be bringing in...bee and reel @ u high...possibly.....they will have a very very tough middleweight line up w/ a few sectional qualifiers and 1 state qualifier

Dylan reel will go to a good high school like providence or motini or glenbard north, he wants to be really good and wont get that way at u high. No way he is going to u-high.

Alex Bee- hasen't decided if he wants to go to Bloomington or u-high. He said he is going to u-high, but since his dad retired from there coaching baseball( which he is a good athlete at also). So he hasen't decided yet.

[Emmett Fitz-Hume]

from what i am seeing here all of these kids should go to bloomington. none of the other intercity schools have anything to offer. they don't have solid offseason programs(which is critical if you want to get on the awards stand). bloomington has a bunch of placers and the other schools have none. there is no question who the best is.

[THE_ONE]

from what i am seeing here all of these kids should go to bloomington. none of the other intercity schools have anything to offer. they don't have solid offseason programs(which is critical if you want to get on the awards stand). bloomington has a bunch of placers and the other schools have none. there is no question who the best is.

Has anyone considered that they may not go to a Bloomington/Normal school at all?? I don't want to say he won't, but I seriously doubt Reel goes north. But if he doesn't is Bloomington and U-High his only choices?? As for Bee, his decision may lie on his interest in other sports like baseball and his choice may be impacted by that!!

[gutwrenchu2]

What I find funny about all this is people saying so and so is going to go to bloomington. Last time I checked bloomington is a public school and you have to live in the district to go there. Or else it is a violation of ihsa rules which I am suprised bloomington hasn't been nailed for yet. Also it is funny you say reel comes from a good program last time I checked with that also he is in u high kids club. Central Elite Rebels which practice at uhigh. I never said uhigh was going to pass bloomington next year. But they are making great strides in developing young kids. They seem to have a very classy coach, who was illinois assistant coach of the year when he was with olympia. All I was saying is look at what bloomington has to work with in their junior high program. None of those studs have come up and placed yet, and I just believe they are not as dominate as they once were.

[Jim Edmonds]

This thread started off with someone asking which Twin City school historically had the most success and toughest schedule.

The answer to both is Bloomington by a mile. Reread the full thread if you need to see the reasons again.

Gut, I get that you don't have any valid argument about this point, so you've started talking about the future and what-not. It's a free country, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

You obviousy have a low opinion on BHS. A lot of people are jealous of those who are more successful. But posting stuff like how you're surprised they haven't gotten in trouble w/ the IHSA, without giving any evidence? Doesn't seem like a "classy" move to me.

[ol' man river]

gut wrench i guess what i find kind of "funny"is that while you are talking about the young guns not fulfilling their potential,BHS is still winning,and you are still whining.

[Rebel]

What weight did Dylan Reel wrestle this year?

[grappler201]

no question. bloomington.

hmmm...seems the P'graph needs some grapple assistance, and the SE is a former QC guy...U-High almost had a placewinner this year with Waropay at 171. I really hoped he'd make the podium. He's got to be one of the five nicest kids I've interviewed from out-of-town schools, who didn't know me from Adam when I interviewed him. Maybe No. 1.

Shannon

Shannon you are ABSOLUTELY right on 2 points.

1. The Pantagraph needs wrestling assistance
2. Joe Waropay is what every parent would wish for in a son. They don't come any better than Joe.

[Buck]

yes you are right waropay from u high was very close to placing this year but i believe if he wrestled for bloomington he would have placed.

[THE_ONE]

yes you are right waropay from u high was very close to placing this year but i believe if he wrestled for bloomington he would have placed.

What factors do you feel Bloomington would have had for Waropay that would have moved him into a State Placer??

[ol' man river]

1.) more difficult schedule

2.)deeper experienced coaches

3.)more competition in the room with a broader array of styles

[CentralILFan]

Waropay is a great kid and a good wrestler. I also think he would have placed at Bloomington. His offense was limited. He shot a high crotch and an outside single, period. Against an average kid, he has no problem getting to them, but against an above average kid, he has no hand-fighting skills and his set ups are well below par to place. His short offense from a front headlock position was non-existant. He just spins and tries to out-quick everyone. When Brewer or Barber took bad shots, he never came close to scoring off them. If he takes a bad shot and gets stopped, he is not much of a threat to score on a good kid. At state, when his number one shot didn't work, what did he do? Kept trying it, because he had nothing alse. I felt sorry for the kid and was rooting for him. He is below average (for a state qualifying kid) fom the top poistion. He is never a threat to turn a good kid or even ride them for any length of time. He is decent off the bottom. For a state caliber type of kid, his technical skills are very limited. He is an outstanding athlete with 1980's technique. That is not his fault. You won't see his coaches at high level clinics trying to improve. They still teach 1980 technique that won't work well at a state level. Also, his baseball works against him. He doesn't have time to get offseason matches. All in all, an exemplary kid who had the misfortune to wrestle at a program with a good guy but an outdated coach. I definately think that being at Mahomet or Bloomington would have gotten this kid on the award stand.

[Wrestleru97]

What I find funny about all this is people saying so and so is going to go to bloomington. Last time I checked bloomington is a public school and you have to live in the district to go there. Or else it is a violation of ihsa rules which I am suprised bloomington hasn't been nailed for yet. Also it is funny you say reel comes from a good program last time I checked with that also he is in u high kids club. Central Elite Rebels which practice at uhigh. I never said uhigh was going to pass bloomington next year. But they are making great strides in developing young kids. They seem to have a very classy coach, who was illinois assistant coach of the year when he was with olympia. All I was saying is look at what bloomington has to work with in their junior high program. None of those studs have come up and placed yet, and I just believe they are not as dominate as they once were.

I'm sorry to say this, but that's a whole bunch of crap. People can move to other school districts and if they do they are considered a part of that school. Diffrent districts have diffrent rules. What do you mean that you are surpriesed that bloomington hasen't been busted about doing this before? Do you have an example? I'm sorry, but as stated by central illinois wrestler they don't have the calibur needed to build a championship program.

[Wrestleru97]

Has anyone considered that they may not go to a Bloomington/Normal school at all?? I don't want to say he won't, but I seriously doubt Reel goes north. But if he doesn't is Bloomington and U-High his only choices?? As for Bee, his decision may lie on his interest in other sports like baseball and his choice may be impacted by that!!


im sorry for u-high but Dylan reel dosent want to go to a bad school like u-high he will go to a high school that knows what they are doing

if he goes to a central team it will proble be bloominton or normal com he used to wrestl for bloominton kids club and really like he is a serous wrestler and spends lots of time on the mat u-high is not a good enough for him

[THE_ONE]

im sorry for u-high but Dylan reel dosent want to go to a bad school like u-high he will go to a high school that knows what they are doing

if he goes to a central team it will proble be bloominton or normal com he used to wrestl for bloominton kids club and really like he is a serous wrestler and spends lots of time on the mat u-high is not a good enough for him
I think you are missing what I am saying. I am also confident he won't be @ U-High, but are there any other Central IL teams that he may end up at, other than a Bloomington or Normal. (Mahomet, Ch. Central, Canton???) I am just throwing this out there, I like most on here obviously have no idea where he will end up. My gut tells me though it will be up north!!

[RAPTOR]

What weight did Dylan Reel wrestle this year?


Dylan won the 156lb IKWF Title this year.
So the question is can he make 152 or 160 in high school next year.
High school is another BIG step. Not taking anything away from the kid.
He will have a tough road wrestling all juniors and seniors next year.

[Wrestleru97]

What I find funny about all this is people saying so and so is going to go to bloomington. Last time I checked bloomington is a public school and you have to live in the district to go there. Or else it is a violation of ihsa rules which I am suprised bloomington hasn't been nailed for yet. Also it is funny you say reel comes from a good program last time I checked with that also he is in u high kids club. Central Elite Rebels which practice at uhigh. I never said uhigh was going to pass bloomington next year. But they are making great strides in developing young kids. They seem to have a very classy coach, who was illinois assistant coach of the year when he was with olympia. All I was saying is look at what bloomington has to work with in their junior high program. None of those studs have come up and placed yet, and I just believe they are not as dominate as they once were.

reel used to pratice with the bloomington kids club a good program

[Wrestleru97]

[quote=THE_ONE;154900]I think you are missing what I am saying. I am also confident he won't be @ U-High, but are there any other Central IL teams that he may end up at, other than a Bloomington or Normal. (Mahomet, Ch. Central, Canton???) I am just throwing this out there, I like most on here obviously have no idea where he will end up. My gut tells me though it will be up north!!

[gutwrenchu2]

I am not taking anything away from bloomington I never said that they were a bad team. reel may have been part of bloomington kids club, but the key word their is used too. Anyway I am suprised all this talk that if waropay would have went to bloomington he would have placed. Have you been in a uhigh practice do you see what they do. Probably not. As for u high I never said they were going to be on a montini or providence or anything like that. I stated that I think their future is bright, which it is they have had a lot of kids working hard this off season and trying to improve. As for their coach he is a class act, and is really improved that program from where it was a couple years ago. Also as for the bloomington comment it seems they have couple kids that went to normal junior highs wrestling for them. I do not know if their is anything going on with that or not, I just know that recruiting is prohibited under ihsa bylaws, and that you also have to live in the district of a public school to go their.

[ilgrecoteamcaptain]

when have any of these teams ever produced anything better than Bloomington throughout the season and summer? There is no comparison.

[Del]

I am not taking anything away from bloomington I never said that they were a bad team. reel may have been part of bloomington kids club, but the key word their is used too. Anyway I am suprised all this talk that if waropay would have went to bloomington he would have placed. Have you been in a uhigh practice do you see what they do. Probably not. As for u high I never said they were going to be on a montini or providence or anything like that. I stated that I think their future is bright, which it is they have had a lot of kids working hard this off season and trying to improve. As for their coach he is a class act, and is really improved that program from where it was a couple years ago. Also as for the bloomington comment it seems they have couple kids that went to normal junior highs wrestling for them. I do not know if their is anything going on with that or not, I just know that recruiting is prohibited under ihsa bylaws, and that you also have to live in the district of a public school to go their.
You are exactly right. That is why if Bellis went to Normal Community and Mariani went to Normal West they would be breaking IHSA rules since they both live in the Bloomington High School district. Thanks for checking up on that. We never would have thought about this rule had you not brought it up.