All Saints Team

[Geezus]

Every year around my birthday I come up with my all saints team. This team consists of wrestlers who are the best at their weight in the state if Illinois and some are the best in the country.

103lb. Ed Klimara-Providence

-went out and dominated Conant. will end up being the 103lb AAA State Champion and most likely have a great shot of being AAA first 4x State Champ!

112lb. Ed Cooper-Providence

-2nd as a freshman and looking to take home is first title in AAA at 112. all around best wrestler in the 112lb weight class in all three divisions. Should be fun to watch the fight for silver

119lb. Steve Robertson-Montini

-Fell short last year finishing a "disappointing" 2nd place finish however the bitter taste of defeat will motivate Steve to take home what he should have taken home last year.

125lb. Colton Rasche-Montini

-when you have a greatest coach in Illinois history putting you through practice there is a reason why you make the all saints team. Colton has the experience and will take the next step and prove why he is one that should not be overlooked. He will challenge Sheley, Roth, Cole, Tirevold for the AA title.

130lb. OPEN

135lb. Jake Gregerson-Althoff

-Runner up last year. He did what he needed to do. He learned everything he could from Coach B and now has the weapons to dominate everyone in the central/southern state. No one will touch Gregerson and he will be a force to come across.

140lb. Malik Taylor-Brother Rice

-just a sophmore this year and as a freshman took home a 6th place finish in Champaign. Had some close losses last year to some quality opponents however experience and off season training will show the improvements this young man has made.

145lb. Bobby Barnhisel-Fenwick

-"Searching for Bobby Barnhisel" did not perform at the state tournament as he had hoped but he has proven he can perform at the bigger stage-nationals. Had a great summer and did a lot of sole searching. His confidence and motivation will carry him to the title he has been seeking. Great individual on and off the mat.

152lb. Dimitri Willis-Montini

-Might be a weak spot in my All Saints Team but don't let that fool you. Dimitri is tough on his feet and with working out with Izzy only made him better. Expect nothing but a top 3 finish.

160lb. Isiah Gonzalez-Montini

-Not only does he have the tools of a champion but he also has his own section in the bible. A runner up finish last year, his senior year, hmmmmmmm you get the drift.

171lb. Jahwon Akui-St. Rita

-NATIONAL CHAMP-enough said. Munster who?

189lb. Carl Foreside-Montini

-2009 AA State Champ. No one will come close of scoring on him. He might be the best AA wrestler and not have a close match all year.

215lb. Grant Goebel-Montini

-The last name, the program he wrestles for, is enough to put fear into his opponents. Lets just say everyone in AAA and A is happy to not feel the strength and power Goebel has. Will follow in big brothers footsteps and be on top of the podium in Feb.

HWT. Curtis Blaydes-DeLasalle

-The lone ranger representing DeLasalle. Big, Strong, and has HEART. thats all you can ask for in your athlete. Love how he competes and he does a great job leaving it all on the mat.

HEAD COACH. COACH B-Montini

-Best coach in the state, in the history, and has the accolades to back it up. Very humble, takes raw talent and develops them into machines-STATE CHAMPS. Never have witnessed a coach turn so many athletes into champions in the classroom and on the mat. Coach B is close to being immortal!

Asst. Coach. OPEN

[Ace]

This was actually pretty funny.

Imagine if Bu and Healy were on the same coaching staff! Might have to add an extra chapter in the New Testament for that...We offer you readings from the Book of Flat-tops.

[GOLDDOT1973]

119lb. Steve Robertson-Montini

-Fell short last year finishing a "disappointing" 2nd place finish however the bitter taste of defeat will motivate Steve to take home what he should have taken home last year.


I'm guessing that if he hadn't transferred he would't qualify for your
"All Saints team"

[GOLDDOT1973]

[quote=Geezus;
Asst. Coach. Keith Healy-Providence

-Him and Coach B might have the same mother because they both know how to win, produce champions, and did I mention WIN. has a stacked team this year and should bring PC back on top in AAA.


You get on here and beat your chest about the great education at catholic schools and then you start your Keith Healy rant with"Him and Coach B". Your English teacher must be proud.

[lvillewrestling2]

wow u dont have ramos winning 130 theres no way he doesnt win state

[Geezus]

[quote=Geezus;
Asst. Coach. Keith Healy-Providence

-Him and Coach B might have the same mother because they both know how to win, produce champions, and did I mention WIN. has a stacked team this year and should bring PC back on top in AAA.


You get on here and beat your chest about the great education at catholic schools and then you start your Keith Healy rant with"Him and Coach B". Your English teacher must be proud.


Sounds like someone is bitter that a GBN didn't make the list. Maybe next year Coach H, maybe next year. :D

[lvillewrestling2]

im not a gbn fan but i mean come on the guy has to be on this list

[pikeboy311]

Montini is 1 for 3 in the highest class, beating GBN by one point, yet Montini fans still claim how "lucky" the rest of the schools are that Montini isn't in AAA.

Please.

Providence will beat Montini this year at the Quad.

[Geezus]

im not a gbn fan but i mean come on the guy has to be on this list

If Tony Ramoes wants to be added to the list he needs to transfer to Montini-I have no problem with that :D and I am sure Coach B wouldn't either. I am sure with the training at Montini he would be better prepared for college.

[Geezus]

Montini is 1 for 3 in the highest class, beating GBN by one point, yet Montini fans still claim how "lucky" the rest of the schools are that Montini isn't in AAA.

Please.

Providence will beat Montini this year at the Quad.


Maybe, Maybe not. All I know is that Montini and PC will put on a great show and actually WRESTLE. Wish more programs and coaches would take a look at what these two programs are doing and realize these coaches are doing the RIGHT things to be consistently at the top.

[bubbaandsonnyboy]

to bad all of montinis talent have been jose's kids and in jakes case estradas boy

[Cubs84]

to bad all of montinis talent have been jose's kids and in jakes case estradas boy

should we send the trophy back now. Ramoses were Joses kids as well half their team works out at Montini all summer so what are you trying to say.

[IllgetUanyerdog2]

"Maybe, Maybe not. All I know is that Montini and PC will put on a great show and actually WRESTLE. Wish more programs and coaches would take a look at what these two programs are doing and realize these coaches are doing the RIGHT things to be consistently at the top."

What is that? Recruiting and getting some of the best kids there are. Yes, i know that brings up the whole Private Vs. Public controversy. But they are consistently at the top because they bring in the good kids. They are expected to be tough every year because of that.

[GOLDDOT1973]

[quote=GOLDDOT1973;180137]


Sounds like someone is bitter that a GBN didn't make the list. Maybe next year Coach H, maybe next year. :D

No, it sounds like someone is an idiot

[c62951]

"Maybe, Maybe not. All I know is that Montini and PC will put on a great show and actually WRESTLE. Wish more programs and coaches would take a look at what these two programs are doing and realize these coaches are doing the RIGHT things to be consistently at the top."

What is that? Recruiting and getting some of the best kids there are. Yes, i know that brings up the whole Private Vs. Public controversy. But they are consistently at the top because they bring in the good kids. They are expected to be tough every year because of that.

I think you stated that perfectly. Montini and PC stay on top because they are able to recruit, . .. err . . ."bring in the best kids possible" year after year. ( Some people think it is because that have great coaching, but you cleared that up. );) Thanks.

[Geezus]

[quote=Geezus;180166]

No, it sounds like someone is an idiot

Don't worry GoldDOT I forgive you.

Does anyone worry that Ramos might be the next Gomez?

[Neuquafan]

171lb. Jahwon Akui-St. Rita

-NATIONAL CHAMP-enough said. Munster who?



This is funny...

[Neuquafan]

COACH B-Montini

takes raw talent and develops them

...and this, my friends, is the Killing Joke... I expect Nazis to begin falling from trees imminently.

[Takedown97]

Just curious what did Jahwon Akui do last year??? and isnt he wrestling 160??

[c62951]

...and this, my friends, is the Killing Joke... I expect Nazis to begin falling from trees imminently.

I agree with you on that Neuquafan.

[Ramsey_Lewis]

[quote=GOLDDOT1973;180186]

Don't worry GoldDOT I forgive you.

Does anyone worry that Ramos might be the next Gomez?
They made 3 boards for a reason.... go back to your own.

[raslindad]

I thought all the Montini cheerleaders were relegated to the JV board????

[Winston Wolf]

I would like to know how Brendan Murphy makes an "All Saints" team. He is quite possibly the worst sport in all of wrestling. His latest on the mat debacle took place last weekend when Argo was stomping all over marian catholic. Brendan was getting frustrated from not being able to turn his opponent and dealt him some very obvious and vicious KNEES to the face. Finally the ref stopped the match and warned him. After this the entire marian bench were screaming at him to turn his opponent and he just looked at them and told them to "***** off" and gave them the finger. After the match ended he pulled down one of his straps on the mat and threw his headgear at team members sitting on the marian catholic bench. The ref just stood there not really knowing how to react to the situation. It was at this time he was disqualified.

What kind of kid repeatedly does these things and faces no punishment for it? Apparently a Gilbert trained kid.

[GOLDDOT1973]

...and this, my friends, is the Killing Joke... I expect Nazis to begin falling from trees imminently.

That's for sure.

[NvrOvrWeight]

What kind of kid repeatedly does these things and faces no punishment for it? Apparently a Gilbert trained kid.

How do you know if Gilbert punished his wrestler? I think saying a Gilbert trained kid is kinda rough. I know more then 98% of G2 kids don't act like that. Just because one kid has a bad attitude one time doesn't mean that has anything to do with Gilbert

[MSLHWYDAD]

This thread is going nowhere. If Geezus meant it as a joke, it has failed miserably. IF it was meant seriously, then it is as equally flawed although he is entitled to his opinion. However, it is now flaming out of control. Ridiculous

[Pink_Panther]

Providence will beat Montini this year at the Quad.

Benny Marti beat Tony Ramos.
Dillon Pousson beat Lee Munster.
The Mud Dogs won the Bourbon Bowl.
Anything can happen.

[Mizzy Dukovsky]

I would like to know how Brendan Murphy makes an "All Saints" team. He is quite possibly the worst sport in all of wrestling. His latest on the mat debacle took place last weekend when Argo was stomping all over marian catholic. Brendan was getting frustrated from not being able to turn his opponent and dealt him some very obvious and vicious KNEES to the face. Finally the ref stopped the match and warned him. After this the entire marian bench were screaming at him to turn his opponent and he just looked at them and told them to "***** off" and gave them the finger. After the match ended he pulled down one of his straps on the mat and threw his headgear at team members sitting on the marian catholic bench. The ref just stood there not really knowing how to react to the situation. It was at this time he was disqualified.

What kind of kid repeatedly does these things and faces no punishment for it? Apparently a Gilbert trained kid.

that is deffinatly unacceptable

[MR TWISTER]

This was actually pretty funny.

Imagine if Bu and Healy were on the same coaching staff! Might have to add an extra chapter in the New Testament for that...We offer you readings from the Book of Flat-tops.Very Brutal....:D

[varsitymatman05]

Every year around my birthday I come up with my all saints team. This team consists of wrestlers who are the best at their weight in the state if Illinois and some are the best in the country.

103lb. Ed Klimara-Providence

-went out and dominated Conant. will end up being the 103lb AAA State Champion and most likely have a great shot of being AAA first 4x State Champ!

112lb. Ed Cooper-Providence

-2nd as a freshman and looking to take home is first title in AAA at 112. all around best wrestler in the 112lb weight class in all three divisions. Should be fun to watch the fight for silver

119lb. Steve Robertson-Montini

-Fell short last year finishing a "disappointing" 2nd place finish however the bitter taste of defeat will motivate Steve to take home what he should have taken home last year.

125lb. Colton Rasche-Montini

-when you have a greatest coach in Illinois history putting you through practice there is a reason why you make the all saints team. Colton has the experience and will take the next step and prove why he is one that should not be overlooked. He will challenge Sheley, Roth, Cole, Tirevold for the AA title.

130lb. Brendan Murphy-Marian Catholic

-A senior, who has the experience and knows what it takes to wrestle hard. This will be his last year so expect him to go out with a bang! Sure Ramos, Dardanes, etc are at this weight but when you have one of the best Illinois highschool wrestlers all time-Joey Gilbert-coaching you well you know you will be well prepared.

135lb. Jake Gregerson-Althoff

-Runner up last year. He did what he needed to do. He learned everything he could from Coach B and now has the weapons to dominate everyone in the central/southern state. No one will touch Gregerson and he will be a force to come across.

140lb. Malik Taylor-Brother Rice

-just a sophmore this year and as a freshman took home a 6th place finish in Champaign. Had some close losses last year to some quality opponents however experience and off season training will show the improvements this young man has made.

145lb. Bobby Barnhisel-Fenwick

-"Searching for Bobby Barnhisel" did not perform at the state tournament as he had hoped but he has proven he can perform at the bigger stage-nationals. Had a great summer and did a lot of sole searching. His confidence and motivation will carry him to the title he has been seeking. Great individual on and off the mat.

152lb. Dimitri Willis-Montini

-Might be a weak spot in my All Saints Team but don't let that fool you. Dimitri is tough on his feet and with working out with Izzy only made him better. Expect nothing but a top 3 finish.

160lb. Isiah Gonzalez-Montini

-Not only does he have the tools of a champion but he also has his own section in the bible. A runner up finish last year, his senior year, hmmmmmmm you get the drift.

171lb. Jahwon Akui-St. Rita

-NATIONAL CHAMP-enough said. Munster who?

189lb. Carl Foreside-Montini

-2009 AA State Champ. No one will come close of scoring on him. He might be the best AA wrestler and not have a close match all year.

215lb. Grant Goebel-Montini

-The last name, the program he wrestles for, is enough to put fear into his opponents. Lets just say everyone in AAA and A is happy to not feel the strength and power Goebel has. Will follow in big brothers footsteps and be on top of the podium in Feb.

HWT. Curtis Blaydes-DeLasalle

-The lone ranger representing DeLasalle. Big, Strong, and has HEART. thats all you can ask for in your athlete. Love how he competes and he does a great job leaving it all on the mat.

HEAD COACH. COACH B-Montini

-Best coach in the state, in the history, and has the accolades to back it up. Very humble, takes raw talent and develops them into machines-STATE CHAMPS. Never have witnessed a coach turn so many athletes into champions in the classroom and on the mat. Coach B is close to being immortal!

Asst. Coach. Keith Healy-Providence

-Him and Coach B might have the same mother because they both know how to win, produce champions, and did I mention WIN. has a stacked team this year and should bring PC back on top in AAA.




130lb.

O Geezus you know that the best coach in illinois history is Charles Farina so lets stop making silly comparisions to Mike Bukovsky right away. Secondly I thought Montini was in AA how did this talk make it on the AAA board. AA is a joke this year a watered down version of past AA tournaments (which were awesome and still think Illinois is best with only 2 classes) At Montini you will have a lot of state champions in AA and you guys will probably dominate AA with a fury like you guys did in A before they moved up in 2006 but guaranteed no matter how many state champions montini has at least half would not be state champions in AAA but that goes out to all AA opponents. But hey what do I know when Montini gets an all star team from the kids clubs and has one of the most solid lineups in the state this year i'm not complaining but I must say besides providence in the quad Montini will not see much competion as the better public schools will not wrestle them because of this fact

[ScoobysMom]

I would like to know how Brendan Murphy makes an "All Saints" team. He is quite possibly the worst sport in all of wrestling. His latest on the mat debacle took place last weekend when Argo was stomping all over marian catholic. Brendan was getting frustrated from not being able to turn his opponent and dealt him some very obvious and vicious KNEES to the face. Finally the ref stopped the match and warned him. After this the entire marian bench were screaming at him to turn his opponent and he just looked at them and told them to "***** off" and gave them the finger. After the match ended he pulled down one of his straps on the mat and threw his headgear at team members sitting on the marian catholic bench. The ref just stood there not really knowing how to react to the situation. It was at this time he was disqualified.

What kind of kid repeatedly does these things and faces no punishment for it? Apparently a Gilbert trained kid.

As I will not defend what Brendan did, I will defend his coach. Brendan was first a vittum trained kid then a stagg trained kid and now a Marian trained kid I don't think his behavior was appropriate, but I don't think he learned that behavior from any of his coaches either.
His frustration did not come because he could not turn the kid my God he turned the kid at the very least 3 times for more then 5 seconds each time and pinned him at least twice but it's hard for a Ref to call a pin standing over the wrestlers, the officiating was terrible on that mat Argo had to pin Marians 119 about 6 times before the ref called that one, so yes Brendan was frustrated as were all the fans and team mates. And to say Argo was pounding Marian the final score was 46-27, but take away the DQ points it's then 40-31 because at the very least Brendan would have had a TF also remember that Marian did not have all their starters in and some where wrestling up, all this is preperation for when it counts.
I am sure Marian Catholic will deal with this appropriately as they always have which I can not say for every school, that is for darn sure.
But I hope you feel much better now hiding behind that screen name and calling the kid out.

[Geezus]

O Geezus you know that the best coach in illinois history is Charles Farina so lets stop making silly comparisions to Mike Bukovsky right away. Secondly I thought Montini was in AA how did this talk make it on the AAA board. AA is a joke this year a watered down version of past AA tournaments (which were awesome and still think Illinois is best with only 2 classes) At Montini you will have a lot of state champions in AA and you guys will probably dominate AA with a fury like you guys did in A before they moved up in 2006 but guaranteed no matter how many state champions montini has at least half would not be state champions in AAA but that goes out to all AA opponents. But hey what do I know when Montini gets an all star team from the kids clubs and has one of the most solid lineups in the state this year i'm not complaining but I must say besides providence in the quad Montini will not see much competion as the better public schools will not wrestle them because of this fact


My friend, you state some very interesting points however there are some points you made that left me scratching my head.

Pointless to agrue the recent addition of AAA. I agree with you that I liked the two class system as well but in this day and age it seems like we as a society like to reward "everyone". To me its all about the money. Today we have the motto "everyone wins a medal" type attitude which has set the young generation up for "failure"-they don't understand the meaning of hardwork or working they way up the top (just look at majority of the young adults coming out of college they think they should be making $80K a year and be the VP of a company-why?-because they have a college degree)

When you are the best everyone will always try to knock you off. Whether it is on the mat or on the boards. Everyone hates winners-period. People want to see the private schools lose because they all have a problem with believing every private school "RECRUITS".

Your statement about "no matter how many state champions montini has at least half would not be state champions in AAA" is rather ignorant. The same can be said for AAA or A. There maybe AAA state champs that wouldn't win it in A or AA. People need to get off this pedistal of believing anything other than AAA is less. Whether it is A, AA, AAA these guys are all competing in the oldest and toughest sport in the world and we should applaud them for that by going to meets, putting our butts in the seats and growing the sport.

Go back and read my initial post. This thread was about wrestlers in various classes from various schools who I enjoy watching, who I believe is talented, who I believe have a great shot of accomplishing their goals this 2008-2009 season.

[varsitymatman05]

M

Pointless to agrue the recent addition of AAA. I agree with you that I liked the two class system as well but in this day and age it seems like we as a society like to reward "everyone". To me its all about the money. Today we have the motto "everyone wins a medal" type attitude which has set the young generation up for "failure"-they don't understand the meaning of hardwork or working they way up the top (just look at majority of the young adults coming out of college they think they should be making $80K a year and be the VP of a company-why?-because they have a college degree)

When you are the best everyone will always try to knock you off. Whether it is on the mat or on the boards. Everyone hates winners-period. People want to see the private schools lose because they all have a problem with believing every private school "RECRUITS".

good point 3 class system even though it really sucks will not go away wrestling is wrestling no matter what class and there possibly might be some weights at AA that are tougher than AAA but A is nowhere near as loaded as the other two classes and I agree with the everyone has to win attitude it was said by the IHSA that it gives more kids the oppurtunity to be state champs and place winners screw that not everyone can be a state champ but with the IHSA these days most can.

[Geezus]

good point 3 class system even though it really sucks will not go away wrestling is wrestling no matter what class and there possibly might be some weights at AA that are tougher than AAA but A is nowhere near as loaded as the other two classes and I agree with the everyone has to win attitude it was said by the IHSA that it gives more kids the oppurtunity to be state champs and place winners screw that not everyone can be a state champ but with the IHSA these days most can.

What does that do for the kids-in my opinion-only hurts them later. Like you stated not everyone can be a state champ just like not everyone can be the president of a company or ceo and if you want to than you better take the work ethic and motivation you learned in life/wrestling and apply it to your job.

Sometimes defeat in life is the best reward. I have learned a lot from my mistakes and learned even more having to work harder than the rest to achieve what I wanted to achieve in life.

[LTparent]

Wow you say that you won't defend the kids actions, but then you go on to explain he was frustrated by the referee's actions? Did the Argo 119 start dropping knees to the face/head of an opponent on the bottom who was defenseless, or did he continue working for the fall until he got it? As all the attention turned to that mat during the that match, it seemed a bit odd that after the first or second blatent illegal knee to the head of an opponent, the coaches would not step in and intervene. I don't know the Marian wrestler from Adam, but his actions that day were disgusting to say the least. I have had a few boys go through a classy program, and I have never, ever seen anything like what happened last Saturday. Pulling your straps off, screaming cuss words and sticking up the middle finger at your coaches and teammates was definitely a new experience in this great sport for one. It seemed like a coach would intervene or take control of the situation, but nothing was done. It seemed like coaches from the LT and Andwew match were more concerned about the antics.

[Neuquafan]

I thought all the Montini cheerleaders were relegated to the JV board????

Dare I say it...? BRUTAL!

[Neuquafan]

As I will not defend what Brendan did, I will defend his coach. Brendan was first a vittum trained kid then a stagg trained kid and now a Marian trained kid I don't think his behavior was appropriate, but I don't think he learned that behavior from any of his coaches either.
His frustration did not come because he could not turn the kid my God he turned the kid at the very least 3 times for more then 5 seconds each time and pinned him at least twice but it's hard for a Ref to call a pin standing over the wrestlers, the officiating was terrible on that mat Argo had to pin Marians 119 about 6 times before the ref called that one, so yes Brendan was frustrated as were all the fans and team mates. And to say Argo was pounding Marian the final score was 46-27, but take away the DQ points it's then 40-31 because at the very least Brendan would have had a TF also remember that Marian did not have all their starters in and some where wrestling up, all this is preperation for when it counts.
I am sure Marian Catholic will deal with this appropriately as they always have which I can not say for every school, that is for darn sure.
But I hope you feel much better now hiding behind that screen name and calling the kid out.

Scoobysmom, not to try and step on our recent detente peace accord or anything... but I have less problem with calling out the kid (who I do not know from Adam) than I do with calling out G2 as such -- unless someone can provide details that he trains his kids to act as such or suggest some other kids from his tutelage who behave similarly.

The swipe at G2 was reminiscent of the swipes on here at Overtime that get me churning and if you don't want it done to you then don't to it to others I say... in fairness, I guess I have to offer pro bono public defense to Pinnacle and ITTS as well now :D

But let's be clear about one thing... the poster who brought up the Marian wrestler's behavior isn't responsible for the kid getting called out... blame Geezus IMO...

Chest-bumping for a kid on here like Geezus did opens the door for the total picture to come into view... and boy did it... never much good reason for bringing kids' names up.

Reminds me of an old joke: that OTHER Jesus fellow comes upon a crowd stoning a harlot in Jerusalem square. He steps in front of the woman, raises his arms and tells the crowd, "Let you who is without sin cast the first stone!" All of a sudden, a brick comes flying from the back of the crowd, hits the woman in the forehead and kills her. Surprised, Jesus looks to the back of the crowd and smacks his forehead proclaiming, "MOM! YOU'RE REALLY NOT HELPING ME HERE...!"

[ScoobysMom]

Wow you say that you won't defend the kids actions, but then you go on to explain he was frustrated by the referee's actions? Did the Argo 119 start dropping knees to the face/head of an opponent on the bottom who was defenseless, or did he continue working for the fall until he got it? As all the attention turned to that mat during the that match, it seemed a bit odd that after the first or second blatent illegal knee to the head of an opponent, the coaches would not step in and intervene. I don't know the Marian wrestler from Adam, but his actions that day were disgusting to say the least. I have had a few boys go through a classy program, and I have never, ever seen anything like what happened last Saturday. Pulling your straps off, screaming cuss words and sticking up the middle finger at your coaches and teammates was definitely a new experience in this great sport for one. It seemed like a coach would intervene or take control of the situation, but nothing was done. It seemed like coaches from the LT and Andwew match were more concerned about the antics.


Im not sure what the coach could have done at that very moment?:confused: #1 Gilbert was not there #2 there was only one coach on the bench and I don't think the ref was going to stop the dual so that the one coach could address the wrestler with the out break.

In my experience screaming and yelling at a kid who is that upset in front of his peers will only make matters worse, unless you are suggesting that the coach was suppose to grab the kid as he walked away and make a bad situation worse, then I am not sure what he was supose to do at that very moment.

I never defended the actions of that wrestler, but I addressed the fact that the annonymous poster suggested that his frustration came from the fact that he could not turn the kid which was not the case, so please do not try to put words in my mouth.

Again as far as blaming the program for a Senior in high schools behavior is really out of line. No one is responisible for another persons actions except the person performing those actions. Are you really trying to say someone from Marian catholic coaching staff taught him to behave that way?

You and the other poster have made your selfs loud and clear, what I have gotten from both of your posts is that when a 17-18 year old kid acts inapproprately it is someone else fault:confused::eek: And everyone wonders what's going wrong in the world:rolleyes:

[ScoobysMom]

Scoobysmom, not to try and step on our recent detente peace accord or anything... but I have less problem with calling out the kid (who I do not know from Adam) than I do with calling out G2 as such -- unless someone can provide details that he trains his kids to act as such or suggest some other kids from his tutelage who behave similarly.

The swipe at G2 was reminiscent of the swipes on here at Overtime that get me churning and if you don't want it done to you then don't to it to others I say... in fairness, I guess I have to offer pro bono public defense to Pinnacle and ITTS as well now :D

But let's be clear about one thing... the poster who brought up the Marian wrestler's behavior isn't responsible for the kid getting called out... blame Geezus IMO...

Chest-bumping for a kid on here like Geezus did opens the door for the total picture to come into view... and boy did it... never much good reason for bringing kids' names up.

Reminds me of an old joke: that OTHER Jesus fellow comes upon a crowd stoning a harlot in Jerusalem square. He steps in front of the woman, raises his arms and tells the crowd, "Let you who is without sin cast the first stone!" All of a sudden, a brick comes flying from the back of the crowd, hits the woman in the forehead and kills her. Surprised, Jesus looks to the back of the crowd and smacks his forehead proclaiming, "MOM! YOU'RE REALLY NOT HELPING ME HERE...!"

LOL........................I don't care if its OT, Pinnacle, G2, Marian, GBN, MOntini, Provi...........etc, no coach is responsible for the inappropriate behavior of any of his wrestlers in the heat of the moment.

And I have to politely disagree in that Geezus is not responsible for the actions of the poster who is not confident enough in him/her self and chooses to remain annonymous as he/she calls a kid out.

[notorious]

As I will not defend what Brendan did, I will defend his coach. Brendan was first a vittum trained kid then a stagg trained kid and now a Marian trained kid I don't think his behavior was appropriate, but I don't think he learned that behavior from any of his coaches either.
His frustration did not come because he could not turn the kid my God he turned the kid at the very least 3 times for more then 5 seconds each time and pinned him at least twice but it's hard for a Ref to call a pin standing over the wrestlers, the officiating was terrible on that mat Argo had to pin Marians 119 about 6 times before the ref called that one, so yes Brendan was frustrated as were all the fans and team mates. And to say Argo was pounding Marian the final score was 46-27, but take away the DQ points it's then 40-31 because at the very least Brendan would have had a TF also remember that Marian did not have all their starters in and some where wrestling up, all this is preperation for when it counts.
I am sure Marian Catholic will deal with this appropriately as they always have which I can not say for every school, that is for darn sure.
But I hope you feel much better now hiding behind that screen name and calling the kid out.

I was also there and definitely will not defend the wrestler's actions. What else wasn't seen by whoever called this wrestler out was the senior leadership who was up and down this kid following the DQ. I also don't know what could have been done there at that moment in time. Was the coach supposed to ask to stop the Dual so he can go punish his wreslter out in the hallway. I'm sure it will be a rough week of practice and then some for the kid. As far as the reasoning, It definitely wasn't because he couldn't turn him. That kid was turned over and over and over again, pinned at least twice and even then was only given 2 back points when he should have had 3 on more than one occasion. The score was like 16-2, when the Dq happened. Stomping Marian took???? That match alone was literally a 12 point swing. Marian lost 7 because of the DQ and team point where they should have gotten at least 5 ( given the fact the ref wasn't going to call the pin ). Now you look into the next match where Marianovich couldn't get the pin called either. His opponent spent the entire match glued to his back. Although I agree that it doesn't give the wreslter the right to act the way he did, to put the blame on Marian is ridiculous at best. I don't think that has ever been drilled in the room. The wreslters actions were his own and I'm sure he will have to pay the consequences for his decision, as is real life.

[canttouchthis76]

I would like to know how Brendan Murphy makes an "All Saints" team. He is quite possibly the worst sport in all of wrestling. His latest on the mat debacle took place last weekend when Argo was stomping all over marian catholic. Brendan was getting frustrated from not being able to turn his opponent and dealt him some very obvious and vicious KNEES to the face. Finally the ref stopped the match and warned him. After this the entire marian bench were screaming at him to turn his opponent and he just looked at them and told them to "***** off" and gave them the finger. After the match ended he pulled down one of his straps on the mat and threw his headgear at team members sitting on the marian catholic bench. The ref just stood there not really knowing how to react to the situation. It was at this time he was disqualified.

What kind of kid repeatedly does these things and faces no punishment for it? Apparently a Gilbert trained kid.

I checked out your post history, and it looks as though you have some sort of issue with Joey Gilbert... If you have a problem with Joey, take it up with him, man to (whatever you call yourself). It has no business on a message board, of which i don't think Joey even posts on.

[Neuquafan]

[quote]LOL........................I don't care if its OT, Pinnacle, G2, Marian, GBN, MOntini, Provi...........etc, no coach is responsible for the inappropriate behavior of any of his wrestlers in the heat of the moment.

Completely agree. Personal responsibility is becoming a lost art...

And I have to politely disagree in that Geezus is not responsible for the actions of the poster who is not confident enough in him/her self and chooses to remain annonymous as he/she calls a kid out.[/

Yeah, you're probably right... outright touting of a kid isn't that far away from simply recognizing his accomplishments publicly -- really makes you wonder about the etiquette of this board sometimes though...

I think you know how I feel about ANY anonymous posts...

I think I'm just mad at Geezus because I had bring my son to his first reconciliation last night :rolleyes:... I guess we've come a far way on this too... from calling it "penance", that is...

[Geezus]

[quote=ScoobysMom;180299]

Completely agree. Personal responsibility is becoming a lost art...



Yeah, you're probably right... outright touting of a kid isn't that far away from simply recognizing his accomplishments publicly -- really makes you wonder about the etiquette of this board sometimes though...

I think you know how I feel about ANY anonymous posts...

I think I'm just mad at Geezus because I had bring my son to his first reconciliation last night :rolleyes:... I guess we've come a far way on this too... from calling it "penance", that is...


First I would like to say thanks to Scoobymom for your support

I was simply unaware of the actions that somebody stated took place last week-if true, that is unfortunate. Again you can't blame or point fingers to anyone but the individual.

It is easy to point fingers at the coach but if you are going to do that why not blame the parents, or the teachers of the school, or his teammates, etc. You can't as you will learn in life you don't have control of someone elses actions. You can do your best to prevent it from happening but sometimes you can only do so much. If the situation was as bad as the post indicates I am sure in time the individual will learn a lesson-maybe it has already happen (from his coach or parents) or maybe it will happen later.

I can't believe I was blamed for the post BUT THAN AGAIN THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN BLAMED FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT TRUE.

[Neuquafan]

[quote=Neuquafan;180331]



I can't believe I was blamed for the post BUT THAN AGAIN THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN BLAMED FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT TRUE.


Lighten up, Francis... for whatever reason you wanted to climb onto your pulpit and preach the gospel of some kid (and at the same time throw a sleight at a kid the caliber of Munster) then YOU open the door for people to round out the story on him -- you disagree?

Outside of a very few fan consortiums, wrestling doesn't cotton to being "braggy" all that much... don't be surprised when you needlessly chest-bump for a kid if what got said gets said again...

Remember who brought the kid up in the first place and figure out if you have any culpability in him getting publicly trashed or not...

[Ace]

Very Brutal....:D


Finally a Church go-er to finally get the joke...Freakin Brutal is right.

[TheEdge]

Remember who brought the kid up in the first place and figure out if you have any culpability in him getting publicly trashed or not...


I would have to agree with Nequafan on this one. Kind of funny that this kid was brought up by Geezus just now. I also noticed that he had Jake Gregerson in the Montini line-up just last week. You would think a Montini coach would notice that a stud like Gregerson wasn't in the practice room. Also, for as much as he seems to know about wrestling, I thought it was a nice touch to spell Cooper with a "K". Almost reminds me of a guy named Charlie........

[Big Toe]

If i was Murphy's coach, i would have personally taken him off the mat. This is not the first time he's acted like this. How do you think he ended up at Marion ......

[Jaguar]

[quote=Geezus;180341]

....
Outside of a very few fan consortiums, wrestling doesn't cotton to being "braggy" all that much... don't be surprised when you needlessly chest-bump for a kid if what got said gets said again...

Now there is something I agree with. Let other people sing your praise. It gets old hearing about how great Montini is from Montini fans. As it says in the Good Book, "Pride goeth before a fall."

[Geezus]

Wow you people are looking into this way too much.

I put together a list of some tough wrestlers and had I known about the incident that took place with the Marian Catholic wrestler I probably would not have included him on my team. It was a simple error yet I will take FULL RESPONSIBILITY. As you will see from my original post I have removed him and decided to forfeit the weight. Hopefully this will end the negative bashing and bring the positiveness and ray of sunshine we need sometimes on this board.

[Italiano]

If i was Murphy's coach, i would have personally taken him off the mat. This is not the first time he's acted like this. How do you think he ended up at Marion ......

He ended up at marian because joey gilbert came to his house and said "How would you like free tuition, $50,000 in cash, and a brand new sports car?!"

[Geezus]

He ended up at marion because joey gilbert came to his house and said "How would you like free tuition, $50,000 in cash, and a brand new sports car?!"

Wow usually he just sends a letter in the mail but I guess you can't send a sports car in the mail. :D

[MR TWISTER]

If i was Murphy's coach, i would have personally taken him off the mat. This is not the first time he's acted like this. How do you think he ended up at Marion ......Please be careful of public message forum accusations. Unless you have facts based on real names and real schools this post could be construed as a violation of our forum rules.

[ScoobysMom]

He ended up at marian because joey gilbert came to his house and said "How would you like free tuition, $50,000 in cash, and a brand new sports car?!"

LOL.....................now thats funny and Kyle will be disappointed because he only offered Kyle Good Lookin girls;)

[niufan]

It is sure sometimes entertaining to see how threads get hi-jacked or how people read them and respond.

I can't believe people take Geezus so serious. It seems like every poster on this site brings some sort of value to the boards but I will also admit I am not the brightest person but it is pretty obvious all Geezus did was take the highest ranked private school kid and used it as his All Time Saints team. Doesn't take a whole lot to figure out Geezus is a fan of private schools especially the hard on for Montini wrestling.

[Dale Denton]

LOL.....................now thats funny and Kyle will be disappointed because he only offered Kyle Good Lookin girls;)
That can't be perfectly legal either

[Italiano]

That can't be perfectly legal either

im sure if you word it juuuust right its legal. something like "the only thing i can offer you, which has no monetary value WHAT SO EVER, is the POSSIBILITY of good looking girls, but again, i promise nothing of monetary value (wink wink)"

[Jaguar]

That can't be perfectly legal either
That can't be perfectly serious either

[MR TWISTER]

im sure if you word it juuuust right its legal. something like "the only thing i can offer you, which has no monetary value WHAT SO EVER, is the POSSIBILITY of good looking girls, but again, i promise nothing of monetary value (wink wink)"
So are you officially accusing Gilbert and the Marian program of recruiting or are you just speculating?

[Italiano]

im just messing around. i mean, it is quite a coincidence that so many wrestlers from other schools would transfer there but hey, what do i know? =]

[Neuquafan]

[quote=Neuquafan;180417]
Now there is something I agree with. Let other people sing your praise. It gets old hearing about how great Montini is from Montini fans. As it says in the Good Book, "Pride goeth before a fall."

I'm friends with a few Dads of kids who are literally top three in the country for their weight and age... know what these two talk about when they see each other?

Football.

Okay they talk about wrestling some too but you get my point...

[MR TWISTER]

im just messing around. i mean, it is quite a coincidence that so many wrestlers from other schools would transfer there but hey, what do i know? =]
Then let them transfer. Without proof it is just speculation and really means nothing.