12/3 AAA Rankings Discussion

[admin]

Discuss the IHSA Class AAA team (http://www.illinoismatmen.com/aaa_team_rankings.php) and individual (http://www.illinoismatmen.com/aaa_rankings.php) rankings in this thread.

[Italiano]

this doesnt make sense to me. How can a wrestler move down like 5 places when he hasnt lost a match yet? Ryan March of BR has not lost, yet a kid with 2 losses moves ahead of him? that makes no sense.

[wrestle21]

this doesnt make sense to me. How can a wrestler move down like 5 places when he hasnt lost a match yet? Ryan March of BR has not lost, yet a kid with 2 losses moves ahead of him? that makes no sense.

Well technically that kid (Plese) didn't "MOVE" ahead of Ryan March as the preseason ranking had Plese at #5 and March at #6... Never the less I agree with you on your point that March should be ahead of Plese!

In the same weight I am perplexed how a kid (Bokoski) that beats TWO 2008 state placewinners during the week moves down a spot in the rankings. At the same time he is jumped over by 3 kids because they placed 1,2,3 at Barrington that featured a total of 0 state placewinners in it.

Then again I am completely confused by the BCS system too!

[SunDevil1989]

According to the rankings, York beat Wheaton North last week, but Wheaton North actually beat York by 1

[owl145]

According to the rankings, York beat Wheaton North last week, but Wheaton North actually beat York by 1
Do you know any individual results?

[SunDevil1989]

Do you know any individual results?

I think I still have them at home, I'll check later and post them

[Grendel54]

I understand that the WWS may not be the best tournament and not have the best teams. I also understand that it is not comparable to the Conant or Barrington tournament when it comes to size of the tournament and competition, but at HWT Jim Norris, From Fremd HS, won the WWS tournament, and pinned the Hwt from West Aurora in 30 seconds in the Championchip match. Norris isn't either Honorable Mention or Ranked. I think that is very questionable.

[titan442]

At 189, you have Tom Davidson (RM) at #11 and Ben Brooks (OPRF) at HM. It should be the other way around.

Brooks beat Davidson Head-to-Head, and both lost to Kendall.

[loudenSwain242]

160

alex ortiz- lost to jeff koepke of hersey and was pinned by ethan james of evanston

189

joe rau- hasn't beaten or faced any one good yet but is somehow all of a sudden ranked 9th.


underated- ben brooks OPRF

[MR TWISTER]

Well technically that kid (Plese) didn't "MOVE" ahead of Ryan March as the preseason ranking had Plese at #5 and March at #6... Never the less I agree with you on your point that March should be ahead of Plese!

In the same weight I am perplexed how a kid (Bokoski) that beats TWO 2008 state placewinners during the week moves down a spot in the rankings. At the same time he is jumped over by 3 kids because they placed 1,2,3 at Barrington that featured a total of 0 state placewinners in it.

Then again I am completely confused by the BCS system too!
I would not sweat it. You have been in the sport to long. You know rankings are usually one persons opinions. I remember when I use to do the rankings, as much as I tried it was IMPOSSIBLE to know who beat who in ever weight class all over the whole state. IMPOSSIBLE to do it evry week. That is why Rob Sherrill is the best and most accurate rankings. He has a very large network of people giving him info.

Besides the real rankings are in Feb. Everything else is speculation.

[ljrobby]

We can only get the most accurate information for the rankings if every team particpates in providing detailed (individual and team) results from their dual meets. Talk to your coaches and strongly suggest they assign someone to provide that info to this website.

[Jaguar]

I understand that the WWS may not be the best tournament and not have the best teams. I also understand that it is not comparable to the Conant or Barringtontournament when it comes to size of the tournament and competition, but at HWT Jim Norris, From Fremd HS, won the WWS tournament, and pinned the Hwt from West Aurora in 30 seconds in the Championchip match. Norris isn't either Honorable Mention or Ranked. I think that is very questionable.
It isn't necessarily about winning tournaments, but who you beat. Marcos Hernandez (the West Aurora 285) was a JV guy last year without a varsity match until this season. He may turn out to be a good heavyweight, but it is too early to tell. A win over a JV guy from last year is not going to put anyone in the rankings. Rankings are for fun. They don't mean anything. It's a long season. If your guy deserves to be ranked, he will need to prove himself against much more established competition.

[Jaguar]

Check out the quotation posted on the AA board (http://illinoismatmen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19469):

“You’re always so worried about how good the other guy is,” Zach said. “Who cares? You’ll find out when the match starts. Stop researching everything and just go out and wrestle.”

“You have to scout the opposition, moron,” Easton said. “You think you’re some kind of wrestling expert now?”

“That’s not scouting,” Zach said. “You’re always trying to decide who to be afraid of. It’s like you’re afraid to disturb the natural order of wrestling.”

“Natural order?” Easton said. “Are you drugged out or something?”

“Stop trying to decide who you’re allowed to beat,” Zach said. “Otherwise you’ll never beat anybody who’s any good. It’s common sense. Just get out there and kick somebody’s tail, stop worrying so much.”

(From a wrestling book) - People worried about rankings should read this.

[Geezus]

Check out the quotation posted on the AA board (http://illinoismatmen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19469):

“You’re always so worried about how good the other guy is,” Zach said. “Who cares? You’ll find out when the match starts. Stop researching everything and just go out and wrestle.”

“You have to scout the opposition, moron,” Easton said. “You think you’re some kind of wrestling expert now?”

“That’s not scouting,” Zach said. “You’re always trying to decide who to be afraid of. It’s like you’re afraid to disturb the natural order of wrestling.”

“Natural order?” Easton said. “Are you drugged out or something?”

“Stop trying to decide who you’re allowed to beat,” Zach said. “Otherwise you’ll never beat anybody who’s any good. It’s common sense. Just get out there and kick somebody’s tail, stop worrying so much.”

(From a wrestling book) - People worried about rankings should read this.


Thanks Jaguar that was great and of course not surprised it came from the intelligent AA board. HAhahaha:D

It is true. You have so many athletes worried about the rankings but parents are just at fault too. It looks good on paper but when you actually do it than it is even better.

[wrestlersdad]

We can only get the most accurate information for the rankings if every team particpates in providing detailed (individual and team) results from their dual meets. Talk to your coaches and strongly suggest they assign someone to provide that info to this website.
Accurate rankings aren't that important. They will become very accurate once everyone leaves Champaign.

Although, it would be nice to see the results of duals and tournaments.

[ljrobby]

Accurate rankings aren't that important. They will become very accurate once everyone leaves Champaign.

Although, it would be nice to see the results of duels and tournaments.

Couldn't agree more.

However, there is a certain amount of pride for some of the lesser known kids and programs to have a opportunity to see themselves, some of their skilled teammates or their teams recognized on Matmen.

Everybody can't win a state medal so the recognition is good, however long it last.

[Caveman]

this doesnt make sense to me. How can a wrestler move down like 5 places when he hasnt lost a match yet? Ryan March of BR has not lost, yet a kid with 2 losses moves ahead of him? that makes no sense.

I totally agree with you Cody should be a HM and not ranked with Ryan M and Ryan W moving up.

Bill Klaver

[village1313]

Alex ortix lost to jeff koepke 2-1 and koepke also tech falled dennis walsh honorable mention.

[village1313]

Steph'Fon Scales from Hersey lost to Anthony Sciciatto in a heart breaker in the final seconds he got taken down on the line with a very questionable takedown. He should atleast be HM.

[village1313]

Steph'Fon Scales from Hersey lost to Anthony Sciciatto in a heart breaker in the final seconds he got taken down on the line with a very questionable takedown. He should atleast be HM.

He is wrestling at 103 sorry

[niufan]

Nothing to worry about I am sure Mr. Twister and Jaguar are coming out with a new book "Everything you need to know about getting ranked in AAA" a sequal to "Everything you need to know about getting ranked-NATIONALLY"

Will be a good stocking stuffer for the little ones

[MSLHWYDAD]

I understand that the WWS may not be the best tournament and not have the best teams. I also understand that it is not comparable to the Conant or Barringtontournament when it comes to size of the tournament and competition, but at HWT Jim Norris, From Fremd HS, won the WWS tournament, and pinned the Hwt from West Aurora in 30 seconds in the Championchip match. Norris isn't either Honorable Mention or Ranked. I think that is very questionable.


As his Dad, I thank-you for your comments. Personally not really concerned about not seeing him ranked. Flying under the radar is sometimes a good thing.

[OLTTWrestler]

As his Dad, I thank-you for your comments. Personally not really concerned about not seeing him ranked. Flying under the radar is sometimes a good thing.

I am going to have to agree with you. They say you always have to watch out for the quiet one's and the one's that you dont know much about.

[CSCS]

According to the rankings, York beat Wheaton North last week, but Wheaton North actually beat York by 1


My understanding was that there were team points taken away from WN which actually caused them to lose by 1 to York.

[MSLHWYDAD]

I am going to have to agree with you. They say you always have to watch out for the quiet one's and the one's that you dont know much about.


Thanks, you know, I do not blame those doing the rankings at all. They do their best with the info they have. They probably don't know he placed 5th at the Frosh/Soph two years ago. He wrestled behind John LaPointe a 2 time State qualifier the last two years. He has beaten some very good wrestlers, Ochoa, Max Yep and others. Only time will tell. More tournaments to come.

[Jaguar]

As his Dad, I thank-you for your comments. Personally not really concerned about not seeing him ranked. Flying under the radar is sometimes a good thing.
That's always the way I looked at it too. Good luck to your boy this year.

[SunDevil1989]

My understanding was that there were team points taken away from WN which actually caused them to lose by 1 to York.
When did this happen??? Nothing was announced at the match

[lvillewrestling2]

who if anyone, has a shot at beating cooper this year?

[PINTOWIN92]

who if anyone, has a shot at beating cooper this year?

Cavalairs, Tommorow

[lvillewrestling2]

yeah i could see that, I think the only other one i could see beating him is bystol even though he lost to cavallariss i think if those two wrestled 10 times they would both win 5

[PINTOWIN92]

yeah i could see that, I think the only other one i could see beating him is bystol even though he lost to cavallariss i think if those two wrestled 10 times they would both win 5

maybe but cooper did beat him pretty good at dvorak last year 12-4

but hey its a new season, so anything can happen

[lvillewrestling2]

at state it was only 5-1 though

[AllAmericanWrestler]

Cooper would major Cavalaris

[PINTOWIN92]

at state it was only 5-1 though

oh yeah thats my bad, i forgot about that.

Cooper would major Cavalaris
we'll see tomm.

[Lockness]

who if anyone, has a shot at beating cooper this year?


Arlis has the best shot.

[qcelite63]

not complaining that he went down this week but Colon at 130 is going to surprise some people this year. you heard it here first....

[futurewndad]

I wasn't there, but spoke with a MS head coach that was. WN's' Hvy lost his match on a DQ because he got frustrated and punched his opponent in the head. 6 points to York. After the match was over it was determined that a DQ by a flagrant act costs the team 3 team points sooooooo. Actual score 27-25 Wheaton North. Score after Hvy loses temper (and the one that counts 25-24 York. Man I bet that kid is still running today. He's probably dropped to 171 by now.

[foxforever44]

how is garringer ranked below olp from WWS, didnt garringer beat him 15-1

[Lockness]

how is garringer ranked below olp from WWS, didnt garringer beat him 15-1


Let's be honest, does it really matter? What is good about the rankings is that it lets us know what weight classes the guys are at, and gives us the results of what they've done.

That is the only thing that is important, and needed, you know Garringer was better than Olp(for that six minutes), so you do the math.

[CSCS]

Spartak Chino from WWS is going to be one to watch this year and the next two years to follow.