hono vs providence

[228stud]

Got a phone call I think the score was providence over Hono 31 to 20

[tpbldgsfan]

i know hono got 17
i think it was 30 provi.

[MR TWISTER]

The Rockton Hono 119 is very very good. Should of beat PC's Ed Cooper but the ref got involved in the match and he did beat Steve Murphy of Marian.

Cooper looked sluggish and got a favorable 2 takedown early to help.

Anyone know the RH 119's name. Scoobys Mom?

[ScoobysMom]

The Rockton Hono 119 is very very good. Should of beat PC's Ed Cooper but the ref got involved in the match and he did beat Steve Murphy of Marian.

Cooper looked sluggish and got a favorable 2 takedown early to help.

Anyone know the RH 119's name. Scoobys Mom?

Austin Waliliah (SP)
The ref was a nightmare tonight:(

Murphy wrestled tough too losing 6-3 against Cooper , he did not wrestle in the Rockton dual only PC Jackson wrestled against Rockton at 119

[MR TWISTER]

Austin Waliliah (SP)
The ref was a nightmare tonight:(

Murphy wrestled tough too losing 6-3 against Cooper , he did not wrestle in the Rockton dual only PC Jackson wrestled against Rockton at 119
Austin Walilah....you were very impressive tonight....

The ref usually is a lot "for lack of a better word" better than he was tonight. Seemed like he was pissed at the Marian bench all night. I know Gilbert's brother and Gerdes both got tounge lashings and several warnings from him. There was a team point deducted and several "dings" on the marian team for minor stuff like toes on the line, one scapula down pins, etc.

Where the hell is Kevin Tann when you need him...LOL

[ScoobysMom]

Austin Walilah....you were very impressive tonight....

The ref usually is a lot "for lack of a better word" better than he was tonight. Seemed like he was pissed at the Marian bench all night. I know Gilbert's brother and Gerdes both got tounge lashings and several warnings from him. There was a team point deducted and several "dings" on the marian team for minor stuff like toes on the line, one scapula down pins, etc.

Where the hell is Kevin Tann when you need him...LOL

I know prior to the the dual we spectators had made the comment that we felt he ws a pretty good ref and then he went and made liars out of us:mad:

You mean you can't pin a guy with one shoulder on the mat and the other on your own arm:confused::rolleyes:

Mr Ref you should be ashamed of yourself because you know the coaches were right in almost every instant a comment was made, you even smiled at me with the one shoulder pin when you heard my disgust, pathetic is all I can say.

[MR TWISTER]

I know prior to the the dual we spectators had made the comment that we felt he ws a pretty good ref and then he went and made liars out of us:mad:

You mean you can't pin a guy with one shoulder on the mat and the other on your own arm:confused::rolleyes:

Mr Ref you should be ashamed of yourself because you know the coaches were right in almost every instant a comment was made, you even smiled at me with the one shoulder pin when you heard my disgust, pathetic is all I can say.
Who was the parent that yelled out at Gerdes "Nice call Gerdes"? That was kinda poor sportsmanship. parents and fans also have a responsibility to be good sports as well. This is not the Cubs or Sox game, it's a wrestling meet.

Scoobys Mom did you see the long dirty look Ben gave that guy? I think he stared at him for at least half of the first period of the next match. I fully expected him to come in the stands and choke that fan. You might would of had to use your police powers...:cool: It was kind of a ugly scene. You could hear a pin drop right after he said that.

[228stud]

What school was that parent cheering for?

[ScoobysMom]

Who was the parent that yelled out at Gerdes "Nice call Gerdes"? That was kinda poor sportsmanship. parents and fans also have a responsibility to be good sports as well. This is not the Cubs or Sox game, it's a wrestling meet.

Scoobys Mom did you see the long dirty look Ben gave that guy? I think he stared at him for at least half of the first period of the next match. I fully expected him to come in the stands and choke that fan. You might would of had to use your police powers...:cool: It was kind of a ugly scene. You could hear a pin drop right after he said that.

Yes, and I was really disappointed in some of the PC fans. I understood them more when we were at St. Rita I mean thats a true rivalry, but last night was really an eye opener to just how none religious the catholic schools have become:(very sad to say the least.

I now understand why some people are jumping all over the fact that they lost to Nequa and the tourny agains OPRF, Half way through the Rocton PC dual I started to cheer for Rockton kids because I had had enough and our guys had not even stepped foot on the mat yet:(

[MR TWISTER]

Yes, and I was really disappointed in some of the PC fans. I understood them more when we were at St. Rita I mean thats a true rivalry, but last night was really an eye opener to just how none religious the catholic schools have become:(very sad to say the least.

I now understand why some people are jumping all over the fact that they lost to Nequa and the tourny agains OPRF, Half way through the Rocton PC dual I started to cheer for Rockton kids because I had had enough and our guys had not even stepped foot on the mat yet:(
Well the PC lady with the really loud voice was there last night. I don't know her name but she has been a PC fan for years. She was kinda quiet though. Maybe it's early.

SM you know the CCL fans are very passonite. But that one guy was wrong to call Gerdes name out like that. Like I said you could here a pin drop when he did. But then again Gerddes is a CCL guy (PC /MC ) so I bet he understood. He sure did not like it though.

[ScoobysMom]

Well the PC lady with the really loud voice was there last night. I don't know her name but she has been a PC fan for years. She was kinda quiet though. Maybe it's early.

SM you know the CCL fans are very passonite. But that one guy was wrong to call Gerdes name out like that. Like I said you could here a pin drop when he did. But then again Gerddes is a CCL guy (PC /MC ) so I bet he understood. He sure did not like it though.

If the lady you are talking about is who I think it is her brother graduated last year maybe thats why she was quiet, it's too bad the rest did not follow suit:cool:

MT being passionate is one thing, but being ignorant is another. I consider mysaelf a passionate fan, but I am not going to try to provoke fans from the other tream, just for fun. :confused:

[CelticWrestler]

you can say the catholic schools have become non religious, that is your point of view, but i dont think you see it, pc circles ups and prays as a team before and after every dual and tournament, and the team shows class, the coaches dont get up and yell at the ref unless the call is bad, when ambrose got hit for stalling against marian, healy didnt fight, he knew the ref was right, pc has still got what a catholic school is about

[ScoobysMom]

you can say the catholic schools have become non religious, that is your point of view, but i dont think you see it, pc circles ups and prays as a team before and after every dual and tournament, and the team shows class, the coaches dont get up and yell at the ref unless the call is bad, when ambrose got hit for stalling against marian, healy didnt fight, he knew the ref was right, pc has still got what a catholic school is about

Not once did I criticize the boys, they were fine, maybe their fans can take a lesson from them, and Heally can yell with the best of them if the ref is wrong. Healy had nothing to yell about that night because the calls were all going his way, and many times they were the wrong call. Come on even you can't tell me the one shoulder pin was not very bad call and you surely can't tell me Healy would not have been screaming if that had happened to one of his guys.:confused:
As far a s Ambrose goes it was the obvious call he backed up the entire 6 minutes as he does often and may have taken one shot, not much else for the ref to do there with out being more obvious then he already was, but he also made sure Riley was not awarded at least one take down if not two that he had, I could go on, but it's all water under the bridge, and your fans evidently will never change, which is a shame because if the boys can win like champions then the least their fans can do as be as classy as they are:cool:

[Caveman]

Not once did I criticize the boys, they were fine, maybe their fans can take a lesson from them, and Heally can yell with the best of them if the ref is wrong. Healy had nothing to yell about that night because the calls were all going his way, and many times they were the wrong call. Come on even you can't tell me the one shoulder pin was not very bad call and you surely can't tell me Healy would not have been screaming if that had happened to one of his guys.:confused:
As far a s Ambrose goes it was the obvious call he backed up the entire 6 minutes as he does often and may have taken one shot, not much else for the ref to do there with out being more obvious then he already was, but he also made sure Riley was not awarded at least one take down if not two that he had, I could go on, but it's all water under the bridge, and your fans evidently will never change, which is a shame because if the boys can win like champions then the least their fans can do as be as classy as they are:cool:

As one of the parents of a Celtic wrestler, I find your generalization unfair and a bit bias. I was sitting to your and Mr. Morgan's left. I heard Mr Morgan cheering for a former Twister and I had no issue with that. I chatted with a number of Marian parents, coaches and supporters. I had no problems, issues, or experiences like what you are trying to describe. In fact, I would describe many of the wrestlers and parents from Marian as friends and I would assume they would describe me the same way.

There is both a rivalry and an admiration between many of us. One example is my son Cody and Matt O'Boyle. I coached him, like him and his parents but we also know when we wrestle against each other it is not personnel. Bernie O'Boyle and I chat every time before and after the matches. Bernie cheers for Matt and I cheer for Cody, when its done we congratulate each other and move on. In fact, Bernie was the first one to congratulate Cody after the match and I talked to Matt after.

Other Celtic parents also have the same type of relationship with other Marian parents. Yes there are some who are "louder" or more enthusiastic with their support but, lumping everyone together like you are trying to do gives all of us a black eye.

I appreciate that you still support Marian even though your son has graduated and moved on to bigger and better things. I also appreciate that you report their results, even though you didn't report the Providence Marien results. I also can appreciate your loyalty to Marian but, I do think it is unfair that your generalization try's to paint all Celtic parents as unruly and unsportsmanlike.

Bill Klaver

[ScoobysMom]

As one of the parents of a Celtic wrestler, I find your generalization unfair and a bit bias. I was sitting to your and Mr. Morgan's left. I heard Mr Morgan cheering for a former Twister and I had no issue with that. I chatted with a number of Marian parents, coaches and supporters. I had no problems, issues, or experiences like what you are trying to describe. In fact, I would describe many of the wrestlers and parents from Marian as friends and I would assume they would describe me the same way.

Well you would be correct it is an generalization beause I refuse to come on here and name names, like many others would do. I think that when I and other Marian parents are talking amongst ourselves about calls that we did not agree or did agree with and oppsoing fans decide to put their two sense into a conversation in an incitful way is classless. Cheering for one of your wrestlers as MT did is a far cry from attempting to incite a riot, so you shouldn't take issue with it. I am sorry if you could not hear what was going on from where you were sitting, but I did. Just because we chose to be the bigger people and ignore it does not mean it was not happening.

There is both a rivalry and an admiration between many of us. One example is my son Cody and Matt O'Boyle. I coached him, like him and his parents but we also know when we wrestle against each other it is not personnel. Bernie O'Boyle and I chat every time before and after the matches. Bernie cheers for Matt and I cheer for Cody, when its done we congratulate each other and move on. In fact, Bernie was the first one to congratulate Cody after the match and I talked to Matt after.

I am well aware of yours and the O'Boyle's relationship and the respect you have for each other which is how it should be, but unfortunately not everyone is that way and those are the people I am talking about, they know who they are.

Other Celtic parents also have the same type of relationship with other Marian parents. Yes there are some who are "louder" or more enthusiastic with their support but, lumping everyone together like you are trying to do gives all of us a black eye.

Again loud support and enthusiasm is one thing, attempting to incite a riot is completely different. Cheering for you wrestler like, " take the shot, go Johnny, turn him turn him" etc..................that is completely different then as your kid turns his opponent you then make a comment like."He ain so tough now is he? These are two completely different things and the second one is classless imho.

I appreciate that you still support Marian even though your son has graduated and moved on to bigger and better things. I also appreciate that you report their results, even though you didn't report the Providence Marien results. I also can appreciate your loyalty to Marian but, I do think it is unfair that your generalization try's to paint all Celtic parents as unruly and unsportsmanlike.

I do the best I can with the results The Marian PC one will be posted soon, sometimes there are not enough hours in the day to get everything done you need to get done. Also I forgot to write down the score of 145 so when I do post it please don't crucify me if the score is wrong.:o

Bill Klaver

I am sorry if you were offended, but as I said I will not call out anyone in specific, not because I care about hurting their feelings, because someone needs to tell them to shut up, but their wrestler does not deserve it.

Happy Holidays

[TheEdge]

Ha ha ha! I can see it now, a bunch of wrestling parents, Marian or otherwise---- "Well gosh darn, I really didn't agree with that call (very nicely to the person next to them) ". What a great team of parents as you are getting ripped off the entire dual and being so nice about it while the Celtic parents were just acting like animals (that was sarcastic). I have not seen the score posted yet, but I am sure it would have been totally different if it wasn't for that horrible ref.

"Half way through the Rocton PC dual I started to cheer for Rockton kids because I had had enough and our guys had not even stepped foot on the mat yet"---- I believe this is a quote from you?? --- Wasn't the Rockton dual before the Marion/PC dual or was this just you're way of being classy?

[AllAmericanWrestler]

If you want to talk about unclassy or unsportsmanlike, how about the way Brendan Murphy stormed out of the gym and ignored his coaches.

[ScoobysMom]

If you want to talk about unclassy or unsportsmanlike, how about the way Brendan Murphy stormed out of the gym and ignored his coaches.

Your name should be AllAmerican Classless wrestler because now you are telling a LIE!
He did not act up at all. This is just the kind of stuff I am talking about. I said I wont name names and I won't, so unless you want to let us know who you are I think you should not name names either especially when you are telling the lie you are telling..:cool:

[ScoobysMom]

Ha ha ha! I can see it now, a bunch of wrestling parents, Marian or otherwise---- "Well gosh darn, I really didn't agree with that call (very nicely to the person next to them) ". What a great team of parents as you are getting ripped off the entire dual and being so nice about it while the Celtic parents were just acting like animals (that was sarcastic). I have not seen the score posted yet, but I am sure it would have been totally different if it wasn't for that horrible ref.

"Half way through the Rocton PC dual I started to cheer for Rockton kids because I had had enough and our guys had not even stepped foot on the mat yet"---- I believe this is a quote from you?? --- Wasn't the Rockton dual before the Marion/PC dual or was this just you're way of being classy?

Please tell me this is a post from a child, no adult can really think like this can they:confused: Adults can have civilized conversations even about horrible officiating. Maybe that is unfamiliar to you:confused: If so then I feel for you. The ref was terrible, so if I am going to state my disatisfaction to anyone it's going to be the ref, not at the opposing wrestler, unlike some. As far as the dual result..... Marian would have lost no one every said they were even in the running, so the fact that PC was up as much as they were and some of their fans were behaving the way they were, well it's very unsportsman like to say the least. but the ref being upset at the coach and taking it out on the wrestlers is very unprofessional to say the least and then to have the fans add to it when they too know how one sided the officiating is is very classless.
I have no stake in th Marian team this year, I love to watch wrestling and I may even appear at the Mt Carmel, St Rita, de Lasale dual/ Montinin, St Rita, Providence dual etc........ and if the officiating and the fans are anything like I just experience, I will again post my disatisfaction. If you think it is as simple as I am just sticking up for Marian then I am sorry to say that you are very wrong.

[In the Know]

Not once did I criticize the boys, they were fine, maybe their fans can take a lesson from them, and Heally can yell with the best of them if the ref is wrong. Healy had nothing to yell about that night because the calls were all going his way, and many times they were the wrong call. Come on even you can't tell me the one shoulder pin was not very bad call and you surely can't tell me Healy would not have been screaming if that had happened to one of his guys.:confused:
As far a s Ambrose goes it was the obvious call he backed up the entire 6 minutes as he does often and may have taken one shot, not much else for the ref to do there with out being more obvious then he already was, but he also made sure Riley was not awarded at least one take down if not two that he had, I could go on, but it's all water under the bridge, and your fans evidently will never change, which is a shame because if the boys can win like champions then the least their fans can do as be as classy as they are:cool:

Class...you want to talk about class?

You come on here and want to call out a kid by name and criticize his wrestling or his style and then call yourself an adult or a fan.

Well let me just say this Scooby's mom, Tommy is my son and I don't care if you like his style or not but he has a pretty good resume on the mat and off the mat.

He has battled Riley since they were kids and Riley has won the vast majority of them with decisions and usually close decisions. Riley is a awesome wrestler and I respect him tremendously.....in fact at the end of the dual Damonte came over to me and shook my hand (didn't see that did you?)......very classy kid. I wish him the best in the future. I know that he was frustrated with Tommy because they know each other very well.

In fact you can correct me (which I know you will) you were not even there at the dual..........I didn't see you and neither did "the loud lady" from PC.

You ever feel the need again to call out my kid do me a favor......CALL ME OUT FIRST!!!!

John Ambrose

[bigboy wrestler09]

Class...you want to talk about class?

You come on here and want to call out a kid by name and criticize his wrestling or his style and then call yourself an adult or a fan.

Well let me just say this Scooby's mom, Tommy is my son and I don't care if you like his style or not but he has a pretty good resume on the mat and off the mat.

He has battled Riley since they were kids and Riley has won the vast majority of them with decisions and usually close decisions. Riley is a awesome wrestler and I respect him tremendously.....in fact at the end of the dual Damonte came over to me and shook my hand (didn't see that did you?)......very classy kid. I wish him the best in the future. I know that he was frustrated with Tommy because they know each other very well.

In fact you can correct me (which I know you will) you were not even there at the dual..........I didn't see you and neither did "the loud lady" from PC.

You ever feel the need again to call out my kid do me a favor......CALL ME OUT FIRST!!!!

John Ambrose

The difference between the two is with tom it was an opinion on how tom wrestles. The other statement was a over exageration as to how Brendan reacted(simply walking out of the gym recooperating for a few minutes and than returning to the gym with his team).

[Lockness]

I'm telling you what, after reading this thread, I am not missing this dual next year. Let me know about some of the upcoming duals you guys have that are going to be fired up, I'm coming.

[RockHonFan]

Wow did nothing wrong? Coach Kaiser would never accept anything like that from one of his wrestlers. I believe if you are on the team you should be on the bench with the rest of the wrestlers. Win like a man, lose like a man. Don't storm out of the gym like a crybaby. Maybe this kids coaches should have worked with him to get his emotions under control. The way he acted after a loss way quite the scene. What was worse to me was there was no actions taken by his coaches. They yell at him, he doesn't listen and that's it. It is similar to last year at state when he quit after Dardanes physically and mentally broke him. His coaches were yelling at him to get his clothes and things from matside, but he just ignoed the coaches and stormed off. So the coaches just let him be a brat who can't accept defeat and took his things for him. Good lesson to teach him. Maybe after his DQ the other day I read about on here there should have been some action taken. If he would have used that energy he had to storm off during the match instead of after, maybe he would have mustered up more than one point. Face it the kid is a punk senior(adult)who lost to a sophomore. If that sophomore would have lost would he have been allowed to do the same by Healy? Would a RH kid be able to do that in front of Kaiser? I think we all know the answer to that. By the way, surprisingly, I did not notice any unruly Providence fan behavior at this meet. The Marian coaches behaivor was atrocious. Is it the norm to constantly berate the official and get a team point taken away. That does not happen from where I am from.

[bigboy wrestler09]

Wow did nothing wrong? Coach Kaiser would never accept anything like that from one of his wrestlers. I believe if you are on the team you should be on the bench with the rest of the wrestlers. Win like a man, lose like a man. Don't storm out of the gym like a crybaby. Maybe this kids coaches should have worked with him to get his emotions under control. The way he acted after a loss way quite the scene. What was worse to me was there was no actions taken by his coaches. They yell at him, he doesn't listen and that's it. It is similar to last year at state when he quit after Dardanes physically and mentally broke him. His coaches were yelling at him to get his clothes and things from matside, but he just ignoed the coaches and stormed off. So the coaches just let him be a brat who can't accept defeat and took his things for him. Good lesson to teach him. Maybe after his DQ the other day I read about on here there should have been some action taken. If he would have used that energy he had to storm off during the match instead of after, maybe he would have mustered up more than one point. Face it the kid is a punk senior(adult)who lost to a sophomore. If that sophomore would have lost would he have been allowed to do the same by Healy? Would a RH kid be able to do that in front of Kaiser? I think we all know the answer to that. By the way, surprisingly, I did not notice any unruly Providence fan behavior at this meet. The Marian coaches behaivor was atrocious. Is it the norm to constantly berate the official and get a team point taken away. That does not happen from where I am from.

Any coach who feels a bad call is made should let the ref know. I would prefer my coach let the ref know he is making unfair and posibly have a team point taken away than have my coach sit there and not try and have a fair match played out.
And now you come on here and call a kid a brat, and offer your stories. I Witnessed what happened at state. Dardanes beat brendan fair and square. Can u blame a kid for being upset? he simply wanted to be alone after the loss and regain his thoughts. After he did this he went back, joined his team in the stands and talked with his coaches (as he did after his match against togher). Simple as that. If you think after a loss a wrestler wants to go and instantly talk to coaches you are mistaken. Many teams allow a "alone time" for the wrestler to go to the halls, or somewhere private and be alone. And many wrestlers take this time. So please don't offer ur opinion like its fact.

[shark9191]

I'm waiting for SM's response to In the Know's post - nothing. Well said Mr Ambrose. From what I have seen, Gilbert and Gerdes try to intimidate every ref they have....

[MR TWISTER]

Wow....and the Holy Wars have not even started....just seems like when certain teams are involved there are sure to be fireworks....:)

[ScoobysMom]

Class...you want to talk about class?

You come on here and want to call out a kid by name and criticize his wrestling or his style and then call yourself an adult or a fan.

Well let me just say this Scooby's mom, Tommy is my son and I don't care if you like his style or not but he has a pretty good resume on the mat and off the mat.

He has battled Riley since they were kids and Riley has won the vast majority of them with decisions and usually close decisions. Riley is a awesome wrestler and I respect him tremendously.....in fact at the end of the dual Damonte came over to me and shook my hand (didn't see that did you?)......very classy kid. I wish him the best in the future. I know that he was frustrated with Tommy because they know each other very well.

In fact you can correct me (which I know you will) you were not even there at the dual..........I didn't see you and neither did "the loud lady" from PC.

You ever feel the need again to call out my kid do me a favor......CALL ME OUT FIRST!!!!

John Ambrose

Yes, Mr Ambrose lets talk about class;)
I know what your son's resume is on the mat and I respect your choice as his parent to come on here and defend his style, but it was a PC person who felt the need to even bring your son's name into this thread not I so maybe you should thank him/her for that. I only posted my opinion on what I SAW during the match and yes Mr Ambrose I WAS THERE as Mr. Twister can verify this and the lady you are refering to walked right by me as she made her way past Mr. Marianovich and up to the top of the bleachers, so possibly neither of you know what I look like:confused:

I'm glad you respect DeMonte as do I and his class was never in question.

Again as far as calling your kid out thank the poster that named him first, I only responded to what was posted.
As far as calling you out first, I'm not sure if that was an attempt at intimidation:confused: but that doesn't work with me sorry and I really have no idea what you look like or I would be more then happy to introduce my self and we then could discuss this face to face like two civil adults.

Originally Posted by CelticWrestler
you can say the catholic schools have become non religious, that is your point of view, but i dont think you see it, pc circles ups and prays as a team before and after every dual and tournament, and the team shows class, the coaches dont get up and yell at the ref unless the call is bad, when ambrose got hit for stalling against marian, healy didnt fight, he knew the ref was right, pc has still got what a catholic school is about

[ScoobysMom]

Wow did nothing wrong? Coach Kaiser would never accept anything like that from one of his wrestlers. I believe if you are on the team you should be on the bench with the rest of the wrestlers. Win like a man, lose like a man. Don't storm out of the gym like a crybaby. Maybe this kids coaches should have worked with him to get his emotions under control. The way he acted after a loss way quite the scene. What was worse to me was there was no actions taken by his coaches. They yell at him, he doesn't listen and that's it. It is similar to last year at state when he quit after Dardanes physically and mentally broke him. His coaches were yelling at him to get his clothes and things from matside, but he just ignoed the coaches and stormed off. So the coaches just let him be a brat who can't accept defeat and took his things for him. Good lesson to teach him. Maybe after his DQ the other day I read about on here there should have been some action taken. If he would have used that energy he had to storm off during the match instead of after, maybe he would have mustered up more than one point. Face it the kid is a punk senior(adult)who lost to a sophomore. If that sophomore would have lost would he have been allowed to do the same by Healy? Would a RH kid be able to do that in front of Kaiser? I think we all know the answer to that. By the way, surprisingly, I did not notice any unruly Providence fan behavior at this meet. The Marian coaches behaivor was atrocious. Is it the norm to constantly berate the official and get a team point taken away. That does not happen from where I am from.

You know He did not storm out of the gym like a cry baby. How could you say it was a scene he gather himself and with no emotion walked out of the gym. He did what he needed to do in order to not make a scene an he is still wrong in your eyes:confused: you people amaze me.

As far as what the coaches are suppose to do at the very moment these things happen, I think the Marian coaches made the right decision in not reacting at all. Every single person is different emotionally and what works for one does not necessarily work for others. Unless you have personally experienced this as a coach how can you sit back in judgement of what the right move is? And by the way are you a psycologist? Because none of the Marian coaches are therefore they are not qualified to help him work out his emotions.

Maybe the coaches have told him, if he is feeling emotional that they want him to excuse him self until he gets it together, you have no idea, what is going on in that wrestling room to stand in judgement of how the coaches handle a situation.

Why the need for name calling and pointing out he lost to a sophmore, my guess is the sophmore is just that good. You say it like a sophmore shouldn't be able to beat a senior, well sorry to inform you, but this states is tough I think we have even had a few frehmen state champs:rolleyes:

Also, you must not have been at the Marian PC dual last year when a Senior PC wrestler who was ranked 3rd I believe at the time lost pretty handedly to a Junior Marian wrestler who was ranked 5th and that PC wrestler showed a heck of lot more emotion as he attempted to flee the gym and was grabbed by an adult which in my opinion made a bigger scnene then needed, they should have just let him go and it may have been less noticible, but of course that is just my opinion:cool: Oh and I don't rember him being benched for the next dual either, so much for whay how Healy would have handle it:cool:

Next............................

[fanofthemat]

Reading some of these posts makes it hard for me to believe that adults are posting... Remember, there is a lot more to life than wrestling... Negative posts about anyones child is in itself childish and maybe we need to examine the bigger picture here.... You as parents are representing these catholic institutions, and from the outside looking in, you are not giving any of them a good name... Dont mean to upset anyone, just a person from the outside looking in. It just all seems very childish....

[ScoobysMom]

Reading some of these posts makes it hard for me to believe that adults are posting... Remember, there is a lot more to life than wrestling... Negative posts about anyones child is in itself childish and maybe we need to examine the bigger picture here.... You as parents are representing these catholic institutions, and from the outside looking in, you are not giving any of them a good name... Dont mean to upset anyone, just a person from the outside looking in. It just all seems very childish....

Could you elaborate please?..............................I have only stated that I felt some of the fan behavior was inappropriate, the officiating was terrible and an opinoin on how a match was wrestled, how have I made the catholic schools look bad:confused:

[ScoobysMom]

I'm waiting for SM's response to In the Know's post - nothing. Well said Mr Ambrose. From what I have seen, Gilbert and Gerdes try to intimidate every ref they have....

Sorry my response wasn't quick enough for you, but my furlough is over so it's back to the grind on top of school and taking care of a sick family member............there is more to life then wrestling and this board:cool:

FYI; Joe Gilbert wasn't even there and Gerdes did not even raise his voice actually for as bad as the officiating was I am surprised he was as calm as he was. I have seen many other coaches just as passionate as Gerdes and Gilbert, IE Hahn, Gervais etc...............any coach who cares about his team will let an official know when he is calling a bad match.

[fanofthemat]

Could you elaborate please?..............................I have only stated that I felt some of the fan behavior was inappropriate, the officiating was terrible and an opinoin on how a match was wrestled, how have I made the catholic schools look bad:confused:


I am not writing about anyone in particular. I have no problems with you. I am just looking at how this thread has progressed over arguments that are not going to be won by anyone... Then kids names started getting thrown around... it just got a bit nasty... Realize that when you post something on this board, the whole world can read it.... And if I were a parent looking to send my child to one of these schools, and this was my first impression I would think twice. I am not trying to be a jerk, and I know that these are both great schools, its just that a lot of times people take perception as reality... get me?

[wrstl4fun13]

everyone needs to lighten up. the fans at this meet were not as bad as i've seen at others, it's just that there was not a huge crowd so you could just about hear everything anyone said. again, an early season dual, not the state championship match.

[MR TWISTER]

Yes, Mr Ambrose lets talk about class;)
I know what your son's resume is on the mat and I respect your choice as his parent to come on here and defend his style, but it was a PC person who felt the need to even bring your son's name into this thread not I so maybe you should thank him/her for that. I only posted my opinion on what I SAW during the match and yes Mr Ambrose I WAS THERE as Mr. Twister can verify this and the lady you are refering to walked right by me as she made her way past Mr. Marianovich and up to the top of the bleachers, so possibly neither of you know what I look like:confused:

I'm glad you respect DeMonte as do I and his class was never in question.

Again as far as calling your kid out thank the poster that named him first, I only responded to what was posted.
As far as calling you out first, I'm not sure if that was an attempt at intimidation:confused: but that doesn't work with me sorry and I really have no idea what you look like or I would be more then happy to introduce my self and we then could discuss this face to face like two civil adults.

Originally Posted by CelticWrestler
you can say the catholic schools have become non religious, that is your point of view, but i dont think you see it, pc circles ups and prays as a team before and after every dual and tournament, and the team shows class, the coaches dont get up and yell at the ref unless the call is bad, when ambrose got hit for stalling against marian, healy didnt fight, he knew the ref was right, pc has still got what a catholic school is about
VERIFIED...Scoobys Mom was at the dual seated about 5 rows up dead center in between the two mats for the entire night....

[ScoobysMom]

everyone needs to lighten up. the fans at this meet were not as bad as i've seen at others, it's just that there was not a huge crowd so you could just about hear everything anyone said. again, an early season dual, not the state championship match.

You just maybe right about that:o