Hard to believe a freshman beats Tony Ramos

[JAMFISHING]

Ironman is brutal. I would bet my paycheck that Tony beats that freshman. Jimmy gets beat by a soph.. I'm sure they lost to quality wrestlers. I wish Illinois would have done a little bit better. I know Ohio and Penns. are not that much stronger than our boys.

[lvillewrestling2]

yeah i and i found it hard to believe that he lost in the consolation semis but i heard there was some contreversy there

[Rob Sherrill]

I have not looked at the Ironman brackets yet, and don't plan to until maybe tomorrow, when it's all over. I like to just sort of look at the big picture all at once. I'm assuming that one of the wrestlers in question was probably Felipe Martinez from Graham - they're really high on him out there - and I don't know who the other was, but if somebody runs his name by me, I'd know who you're talking about.

Having said that, and having been at the Ironman many times, you need to understand the intensity in that gym. Take the Dvorak and multiply the intensity level by 30. That's what you're facing in Walsh's gym...and on top of that, remember that it's their home field, not ours. The last couple of years, both Ohio and Pennsylvania have produced the most electric group of freshmen I can remember seeing in a while and Graham has about three more of them this year. Illinois wrestling is great, and I'm its biggest fan, but you just don't see the intensity level here that you see in the major events out there. Bring them out here in some of our better venues and maybe it's a different story, but the Ironman is what it is. It's a national-class event on their turf. How many matches did either Ramos or Chase wrestle in the state tournament last year that really impressed you? They're very good and they win just about all the time, but in the Walsh Jesuit gym I've been in a dozen times, it's more surprising to me if they win their weights than if they don't.

Just my two cents.

[lvillewrestling2]

yeah ramos did lose to felip martinez 9-4 in the semis

[Rob Sherrill]

Yeah, I've heard all kinds of superlatives about Felipe...I'm guessing he was probably bigger than Ramos, too. I'm told he does as much for David Taylor as vice versa.

[JAMFISHING]

Travis McKillop (30-9 as a freshman) from Burrell (PA) knocks Jimmy out of the Championship bracket. I consider Tony and Jimmy's losses as upsets. I know it is early in the season and maybe they will each drop down to 125 and 130 lbs. Also noted that returning Champ at 171# does not make the finals this year. Sounds like some very exciting matches every year at Ironman.

[U of I fan 8793]

I was surprised to see the brackets show Ramos losing but anyone can lose.

[mustangpride]

can i get some video please.....

[Radical]

I don't think he is a 14 year old Freshman and if you saw him wrestle, it is not hard to believe. The kids is a monster and has the benefit of wrestling with David Taylor and others in the SPG room. He is the next great stud from Ohio.

[MR TWISTER]

I have not looked at the Ironman brackets yet, and don't plan to until maybe tomorrow, when it's all over. I like to just sort of look at the big picture all at once. I'm assuming that one of the wrestlers in question was probably Felipe Martinez from Graham - they're really high on him out there - and I don't know who the other was, but if somebody runs his name by me, I'd know who you're talking about.

Having said that, and having been at the Ironman many times, you need to understand the intensity in that gym. Take the Dvorak and multiply the intensity level by 30. That's what you're facing in Walsh's gym...and on top of that, remember that it's their home field, not ours. The last couple of years, both Ohio and Pennsylvania have produced the most electric group of freshmen I can remember seeing in a while and Graham has about three more of them this year. Illinois wrestling is great, and I'm its biggest fan, but you just don't see the intensity level here that you see in the major events out there. Bring them out here in some of our better venues and maybe it's a different story, but the Ironman is what it is. It's a national-class event on their turf. How many matches did either Ramos or Chase wrestle in the state tournament last year that really impressed you? They're very good and they win just about all the time, but in the Walsh Jesuit gym I've been in a dozen times, it's more surprising to me if they win their weights than if they don't.

Just my two cents.I agree Rob. Actually everytime I have been to Ohio for any wrestling event kids to college...Midwest Classic, Ironman, Ohio State fair (freestyle),Tournament of Champions or the NCAA DII's (@ Findlay) it has been more intense. The Buckeyes are very passonite about their wrestling and it is obvious. We here in Illinois could learn a lesson from the Ohio people. I say to any parent if you get an opportunity to take your kid to Ohio to wrestle, do so. The only other place that I have been that is more intense is Pa. They are on a ridiculous level. We are good here in Illinois but those two states are great.

[MSanedad]

I was not surprised about Ramos and how he got beat by a Felipe . He is no freshman man Just like Tony is no senior , do you get it. IronMan for those that are made of Iron .

[flash19]

Any way you look at it it just seems like IL is going to be down on the national radar for the next couple years.

PA kids are great in tight matches though, if you look at a lot of national results you can see that they are great at squeaking out close wins...it's probably just a byproduct of how they wrestle there.

I agree with the Ohio comment though...those kids are definitely getting tougher and tougher and they seem to step it up in big matches. That Tessari kid is a beast as well in the 130 bracket.

[Mizzy Dukovsky]

Travis McKillop (30-9 as a freshman) from Burrell (PA) knocks Jimmy out of the Championship bracket. I consider Tony and Jimmy's losses as upsets. I know it is early in the season and maybe they will each drop down to 125 and 130 lbs. Also noted that returning Champ at 171# does not make the finals this year. Sounds like some very exciting matches every year at Ironman.

i agree i think they should both drop down a weight and tony would be unstopable

who is cody kelley where did he come from and wat did he do last year:confused:

[village1313]

Felipe will be a stud in the next few years. Congrats to him for beating one of the greatest illinois wrestlers ever. Tony was a lil off on that one day and felipehad enough in him to capitiliza on that flaw. I am guessing 8 or 9 times out of ten ramos will win that match. Thats why wrestling is so great!! Anyone can beat anyone on any given day

[OL119]

2 years ago Ramos pisspounded Cody Kelly at this same tournament. Something like 10-4 or 11-4.

[Geezus]

2 years ago Ramos pisspounded Cody Kelly at this same tournament. Something like 10-4 or 11-4.

So is GBN hurting Ramos, is that what you are implying?

[village1313]

I highly doubt one of the greatest wrestling schools in the state is hurting one of the greatest wrestlers in the state. And before Geezus you comeback with a montini comback i did say ONE of the greatest. He simply had an off day. There is a reason why Tom brands and the university of iowa wants him. I do remember wen the great Dan Gable Lost in his Senior year In the National Championship to a kid he Teched. So Dan Gable even has off days.

[justgivemesix]

ramos is my guy and all but you cant come making excuses for him saying he had an off day or this and that just cuz he lost. it doesnt matter if you win by a mile or an inch. winning is winning. when he lose to marti, everyone was coming up with excuses from he was sick, heh wasnt in it, he was cutting too much weight, this and that.

ramos will come back and win state in a dominating fashion and wrestle well for brands.

[village1313]

im not making up excuses for ramos and winning is winning i beleive in that but i beleive ramos is a better wrestler than that cus i wrestled ramos a fewtimes in my high school career and plenty of times in the off season so i know first hand how well of a wrestler he is. but how can you say that was the best you have ever seen ramos wrestle. trust me he was not the normal Tony against Felipe.

[restling]

After reading the article about Ramos and Chase that was on Matmen, I would say lack of intensity could be the reason they lost. Of course it is possible they simply lost to a better athlete. I think, and it doesn't matter what i think, but in reading the article they both commented on having a good time their senior year, and preparing for college. Having 100% intensity for the entire season risks burnout at the end, and isn't that the time of the year everyone cares about the most? Having already had very accomplished high school careers, and also having their college's picked out. I see it very reasonable for a little let down to be shown in the early part of the season. They are still kids, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[GBNeverW]

He's a bum. Drop him from varsity, and let him learn his lesson.

[Hwt_Wrestler]

Felipe also works out with David Taylor every day... soo that might have somthing to do with it I mean hes a 4x Iron man champ he had to prepare felipe well..

[wrestler74]

Its a stretch to call Tony one of Illinois' greatest ever, lets let him finish his senior year, and see what he accomplish at the next level.

However, its also ridiculous for you to say that wasn't the normal Tony, just because you wrestled him a couple times, do you know how many matches Ramos has wrestled, he will have his losses. There is no basis to say Tony will beat him 9/10.

[HandControl]

I highly doubt one of the greatest wrestling schools in the state is hurting one of the greatest wrestlers in the state. And before Geezus you comeback with a montini comback i did say ONE of the greatest. He simply had an off day. There is a reason why Tom brands and the university of iowa wants him. I do remember wen the great Dan Gable Lost in his Senior year In the National Championship to a kid he Teched. So Dan Gable even has off days.

I don't know. Many many GBN wrestlers seem to peak during there Jr. year in high school, then go on to underachieve in college.

[village1313]

Its a stretch to call Tony one of Illinois' greatest ever, lets let him finish his senior year, and see what he accomplish at the next level.

However, its also ridiculous for you to say that wasn't the normal Tony, just because you wrestled him a couple times, do you know how many matches Ramos has wrestled, he will have his losses. There is no basis to say Tony will beat him 9/10.

I am not guaranteeing it as a proven statistic. I am generally saying from what i have seen from both wrestlers it seems like tony has the advantage. How isnt he one of the best illinois Wrestlers. He is a three time placer including two state championships and a runner up. How many wrestlers in illinois are allowed to say that(with a senior season left to go.)? How many losesdoes he have? what is he avergageing one a year. From what i remember didnt albert white have 3 in one season. Also he is a phenominal off-season Wrestler competing on the National level? I am not fighting for him to be THE BEST ILLINOIS WRESTLER EVER!!! I am simply saying one of the best without a doubt.

[tencan]

I agree....to me it seems that they are pushed so hard that they just burn out. I don't know. Many many GBN wrestlers seem to peak during there Jr. year in high school, then go on to underachieve in college.

[Coach Lee]

Felipe has been one of the best for his age grroup since he was a little kid. I am fairly sure he is old for a typical freshman so the fact that he is listed as a freshman is a little deceiving. It is also a fact that he beat out a returning Ohio State Champion for his spot in Ironman so I think he not your typical unknown beating our Illinois Stud. To me Tony looked better on his feet, but Felipe scrambled well to fight off Tony's shots. On Felipe's Bear-hug Trip he seemed to be ready for it while Tony's feet looked out of position as if Tony was not expecting it. I am sure if they meet again Tony will be ready for anything and then maybe the results will be different.

[Factory51]

In a match like that the freshman has no pressure and the Senior has it all. If the freshman loses it is no biggie as he is a freshman and was not expected to win. Being new also means no one knows your game and that gives an advantage. Ramos is well known by now. It was mentioned that Ramos looked undersized and had trouble finishing shots. Is he a college 125 or a college 133? Did he wrestle up at Iron man for harder matches?


Look at the Phillips kid from Ohio, everyone thought he would never get beat and he did. Somtimes these freshman phenomes stagnate after a while. They are coached up so much early that they are great but others catch up after a while. Look at Dustin Schlatter, champ as true fresh and struggled a bit since.