Whats up with McIntyre from Savanna

[uponit]

Is he truely hurt or is he ducking the tough matches. Last weekend he wrestled against prarie du chein then skipped dakota due to injury however was okay to wrestle against le-win. Is he really hurt or is he trying to stay unbeaten for some reason. I know he can wrestle however he is just a freshman. Need to learn to take your lumps kid. You might be that good but you still have a lot to prove to the skeptics out here.

[steamerfan21303]

I work with one of the dads from Savanna, and I asked the same question. He has a injury to his back, where at times it is ok, but when he starts getting to active, it swells up and creates pain for him. That is why at alot of these tournaments, you see him wrestle the firest match or two, then can't continue. From what his teamates parets say, his parents realize that his record would not be what it is if hed wrestled all those matches. I am not a fan of the easy copout, (which Riverdale was notorious for in the late 90's before the shoes being taped up), but knowing the coaches from Savanna, and the wrestlers from the school, I feel like they are doing whats in the best intrest of McIntyre. Rather have him miss now rather than Regionals right? I know it sounds fishey, but I think its the honest truth.

[Steve McIntyre]

Steamerfan,
You are pretty well informed on this topic. You have a good source giving good, honest information. I enjoy reading your posts because of your upbeat, but honest outlook. You have a better understanding of the situation than "fullofit". ( OOPS! - a freudian slip. "uponit" ) His comments did make me chuckle a little bit. If he knew just how competitive Matthew really was, then he would understand why I chuckled. But here are some facts from Saturday. Matthew wrestled his first match and beat a Prarie du Chien wrestler. He didn't wrestle his 2nd match against Dakota. But the score was 48-6 (?) Dakota when his weight class came up. So he (?) chose NOT to wrestle the Dakota freshman , with a 2-5 record, allowing a teammate to wrestle @ 119? Do you think he made that decision on his own? I guess he was just protecting his record.:confused:
When his 3rd match came up, the dual meet was extremely close. The coach asked him to bump up to try to get a pin. It would have been much easier on his back to have accepted the forfeit @ 119. The forfeit could have also padded and protected that record.:D
The moral of this story is that Steamerfan has some truthful sources and should continue to rely on them. Good luck to his brothers!
As for "uponit", I think this adult is just trying to cause trouble by bashing a 15 year old. Kind of pathetic ! :o

[steamerfan21303]

Do you really think that he is skipping out on matches to obtain a perfect record. With all due respect, do you know the percentages of high school wrestlers to have gone undefeated? He is from a wrestling family, and has delt with loss before. Everyone has. Do you think that once regionals and sectionals role around, he will skip out of a placing match just to keep the record. Maybe you should ask be fore you ASSUME things. Be more enlightened on a subject before throwing acusations out in the wind. As to you Steve, I have enjoyed watching your sons and some other great wrestlers come out of Savanna for years now, and have wrestled with many of them, including one of the coaches. Best of luck to you and your boy, and hope the "Suposed reoccuring back injury" ;) (that was to you uponit) heals up and is ready to go come Feb. These great athletes we all read and talk about here everyday, are still just kids. Cut them some slack, do the guys at your work post things on their website about you faking when you miss work, think not. Let the kids be, let them wrestle, and most of all, let them have fun with it. They have the rest of their lives to stress about other things than to what you tye about them uponit.

[Crossface]

After watching the Polo tourney, I had the same idea about McIntyre. It seemed kind of odd that he could wrestle against the Camanche kid in the semis, barely win it (9-8), and get into the finals against a Lisle wrestler that would have easily pinned of TF'd him; which was obvious after the Erie-Ptown wrestler destroyed the Camanche wrestler 18-8. Then McIntyre says he ??Slipped?? in the hallway?? and got hurt.... sounds a lil more than fishy... o well, do what u gotta do... i guess... Its a good way to get a 2nd place medal even tho u didnt earn it.

[CATCOACH]

Hey Steve......... Seems When You're A Winner People Always Trying To Find A Way To Say You're Doing Something Wrong......... Good Luck!!! And By The Way Do You Still Have My Hat??????? Ikwf Vittum Green Colored....ha Ha Ha Talk To Ya Soon Coach Monaco

[uponit]

It was a thought that I got plenty of responses on. Maybe you're right on your thoughts. I have no doubt he can wrestle it just seems odd if the back is bothering him and you look at the history of it maybe he shouldn't be out on the mat as something more serious could and probably will happen if it is truely injured. If you look at the other tournaments and some big matches the same problem keeps popping up. I am not saying he isn't hurt but in my day if someone was really that badly injured the coaches didn't let them play at all just for the liablility reasons that can be held over the school. I really hope he isn't hurt and may finish out the year. He has talent and for a freshman i am not trying to "Bash a 15 year old" I want to see what he is made out of if the chips arent there for him. I think he has the ability to be a future state qualifier but would like to see a bit more of him as would some wrestlers. Good luck and sorry if any "offense " was taken by my comments.

[steamerfan21303]

The whole liability thing doesn't even exist anymore because at the begining of each season, each athelete has to sighn a insurance waiver waving their rights to sue the school due to injury obtained from the sport in which they are participating, or they have the option to purchase the insurance through the school. While it may sound fishey or odd, its the way it is. Just because you don't belive in something, does it mean it doesn't exist? You don't have all the info, don't be quick to judge.

[uponit]

I understand that they sign a waiver however if the school knowingly and the dey word is knowingly wrestles a wrestler with a known injury they can be held liable. The waiver is an agreement however there are circumstances in everything. I am not jumping to conclusions was hoping to get some sort of update or something saying what was wrong. I also know that pursuing this with an injury can cause permanent injury as have seen it happen first hand. If it isn't too serious it can turn to be in the not so far off future. It seems to me some of you people are hear are quick to judge other people and point the fingers for "jumping to conclusions" just because you might take some offense to what some people are asking and if it isn't to your likings. Sorry to upset you for not being your clone but thats what makes this a good tool. I myself can have my mind changed with the proper persuasion and common sense however just cause someone might not agree with me doesn't mean i don't respect their beliefs. If You want here is a great site for some of you to visit www.hypocracy.com

[steamerfan21303]

Oh, thats a good one, I will remember that site, since I am one, right uponit!!!!!
A wrestler does NOT HAVE to wrestle a match, if the coach wants him to, and if he doesn't wrestle, he may take the chance of pissing off caoch, but no one knows the injury and what their limitations are better than the injured themselves. Did you like it when you were hurt and your caoch told you to tough it out and keep going? There are some back injuries, like the one an athlete from Fulton who graduated in 95, or Danny Night, a four time, undefeated wrestler from Clinton, Iowa, who had back injuries, whom the doctors said that they could go on, but took the risk of permanent damage and the possibilty of losing certain motor skills. In the end, its the athletes choice.

[Steve McIntyre]

First of all, I do take offense with your posts on my son as does my family.
Second, if you wanted an explanation on this issue, I was right there for your questions on Saturday.
Third, Matthew's health concerns are private and not a subject that I will share in depth on a public message board.

[uponit]

I am man enough to know when I have misspoken. I guess my message came way off as intended how ever I have talked to the McIntyres and am under a better understanding. I have read my postings and what I meant was not how it came across. Good luck to you Mathew and I really do hope this will be a passing thing. You are a good wrestler and I think good things are in your future if you can stay healthy. Good luck kid and like I told your dad I didn't mean it to come out as a bash against you. Please accept my apologies if I was offensive as that was the last thing I had intended.

[steamerfan21303]

I want to thank you uponit for apologizing. While McIntyre is not my son, nor do I have any one really close wrestling for the Savanna program, I do take what is said against the kids kind of hard. Having three brothers, and having been there myself, I know how hard these kids work during the season and off. I have more respect for a man who made a mistake and can admit to it than to play it off like they thought they were right. Nothing against you, and I apologize if I offended you in my posts. I just stick up for the lil guy in these situations. Good luck to your boy in the next few weeks, and to all Three Rivers wrestlers. We have a tough road ahead of us in the Newman and Riverdale regionals, as well as the Byron sectionals and we need to get as many through as possible. While wrestling, for the most part is an individual sport, it is always nice to see the kids from your area make it through and show how tough your region is. Lets back the North-Western Illinois wrestling programs at this time of year and show the state what great wrestling is. Tell your boy nice job at Clinton invite as well, tough tourny and he finished strong.