Rankings - #2 - January 25, 2012

[The Rankster]

Here they are. Don't feel free to discuss.

65:

1. Mowen, Canton
2. Hernandez, Huntley
3. Frazier, Hadley
4. Edwards, Mattoon
5. McCartney, Morrison
6. Friddle, Coal City


HM: Martin, Parkside; Cook, Homer; Hrschell, Troy; Laws, Brookwood; Ortega, Bloomington; Weaver, Olympia; Pomerantz, Caruso; Burris, PORTA

70:

1. Hiles, Minooka
2. Rivera, Coal City
3. Leab, Canton
4. Davidson, Litchfield
5. Pokuta, Johnsburg
6. Blaser, Mercer Co.

HM: White, Wilmington; Caccavale, Darien; Reckers, Quincy; Hamilton, C-S

75:

1. Poch, Troy
2. Castillo, Roundlake
3. Tankersley, Monticello
4. Karraker, BC
5. Baca, LZN
6. Thompson, Chatham

HM: Thomas, DeeMack; Cole, Darien; Butler, DCR; Lee, Bloomington; Tidmore, Wilmington; Ruey, Canton; Krotz, Plano; Watson, Brooks; Utterback, Caruso; Laurie, C-S; Nielsen, Minooka; Rhodes, Sterling; Sliwa, Marlowe

80:

1. Eades, Morrison
2. Degroot, Parkside
3. Heller, Caruso
4. Assaf, Homer
5. Jensen, Leroy
6. Irick, DCR

HM: Dockendorf, Sandwich; Long, Sterling; Wilcox, Harvard; Clough, Sheppard; Wasielewski, CC; Laurie, C-S; Lepper, R-C; Bonokollie, Hadley; Rhodes, Sterling; Arteaga, Round Lake; Nisley-Nagle, Monticello; Dickey, MacAruther; Pokuta, Johnsburg; Tuttle, Deepath

85:

1. Burright, DCR
2. Hooks, Darien
3. Urrutia, Sterling
4. Bulington, Leroy
5. McKinney, Canton
6. Quinn, Mattoon

HM: Fischback, Morrison; Durbin, Deerpath; Farbo, Homer; Humes, Parkside; Meyer, Manteno; Weigland, Eureka; Norton, Canton; Nix, LZS; Brailov, Caruso; Beard, Auburn; Vandalsen, Monticello; Garza, N-GE; Colson, Big Hollow

90:

1. Stratton, DCR
2. Jacobo, Huntley
3. Hill, Minooka
4. Favia, Hadley
5. Knisley, Monticello
6. Eves, Antioch

HM: Rickard, HawN; Chestney, Kingsley; Hild, PORTA; Lozano, Brooks; Norton, CC; Vandalson, Monticello; Haywood, Bloomington; Kalaher, Litchfield; Gist, EP; Protzman, Canton

95:

1. Flagg, Troy
2. Stimpert, Freeport
3. Henderson, Bloomington
4. Edmonson, Sterling
5. Ripotella, C-S
6. Perez, Round Lake

HM: Kupet,Caruso; Proszek, Homer; Franc, Manteno; Bronski, Sandwich; Anglin, M-S; Willis, PORTA; Estrada, MacArthur; Riberty, BC

100:

1. Mehrholz, Sheppard
2. McGee, Huntley
3. Bielski, Harvard
4. Peters, Homer
5. Moon, Lukancic
6. Hammer, Clinton

HM: Ciccerione, CC; Heimberg, NL; Watkins, Illini Bluff; Pretto, Wilmington; Cuff, R-C; Wessels, EP; McLeese, Kingsley; Tupanjac, Deerpath

105:

1. Geick, HawN
2. Wolfe, Homer
3. Schoenfodder, Antioch
4. Rowell, Coal City
5. Pointer, Troy
6. Danko, Leroy

HM: Johnson, Hadley; Washington, DCR, Sears, Kingsley; Hogan, EP; Kennedy, Deerpath

112:

1. Simmons, Humphrey
2. Knowlton, Hadley
3. Klingaman, Mercer Co.
4. Parks, DCR
5. Heller, Caruso
6. Kullby, Deerpath

HM: Bell, Homer; McClure, NL; Byrnes, Freeport; Weaver, Wilmington; Warner, MacArthur; Richardson, Amboy; Roach, Illini Bluff; Lopez, Sandwich; Lane, Mt. Zion; Stopka, Coal City; Dekire, Lukancic; Salazar, Haw

119:

1. Roach, DCR
2. Peterson, Harvard
3. Ackland, Homer
4. Kayhart, Brooks
5. Vityk, Round Lake
6. Peete, Johnsburg

HM: Sommer, DCR; Berg, Big Hollow; Garcia, Prairie Central, Argomandiz, HawN; Bitner, Canton; Warren, Yorkville; Ricci, BC; Ho, Kingsley

126:

1. Kaptizky, LZN
2. Paul, Hadley
3. Roop, Leroy
4. Winter, Clinton
5. Williams, Caruso
6. Rittorno, Johnsburg

HM: Simms, Tremont; Wheeler, Erie; Norton, Coal City; Alacantara, Wilmette; Nagle, McHenry; Cooper, Illini Bluff

135:

1. Hollensebe, Hadley
2. Smith, Gibson City
3. Kennedy, Parkside
4. Shewan, Yorkville
5. Yager, MacArthur
6. Vaught, Channahon

HM: Tatroe, Reed-Custer; Terronez, Sterling; Ederlie, Brooks; Hawkins, Wilmington; Norton, Coal City; Ballinger, Olympia; Griffel, Round Lake

145:

1. Lamar, Darien
2. Carter, Gibson City
3. Whitled, Clinton
4. Robinson, DCR
5. Miller, Eureka
6. Robinson, DCR

HM: Cook, Macomb; Kisner, Mercer Co.; Alexander, Brooks; Leasure, CC; Botz, Channahon; Gurski, Darien; Paige, Mattoon; Maisonet, Sandwich

155:

1. Appleman, Amboy
2. White, Parkside
3. Kauzelaric, CC
4. Costain, Reed-Custer
5. Bauer, Olympia
6. Binion, Erie

HM: Williams, DCR; Sauter, Huntley; Brownlee, Roundlake; Crane, Sandwich; Gordan Buffalo Grove Aptasik

167:

1. Long, DCR
2. Embry, Morris
3. Burton, Monticello
4. Haller, Wheeling London
5. Evans, Mt. Zion
6. Kumler, M-S

HM: Plowman, PORTA; Paul, N-GE; Price, Channahon

185:

1. Jones, Hadley
2. Zickert, Morrison
3. Opispo, HawN
4. Schoonover, Champaign-Edison
5. Troutman, Dixon
6. Reils, NL

HM: Birch, Mt. Zion; Conover; Collins, Huntley; Kennedy, Chiddix

215:

1. Dombeck, DCR
2. Wilson, Darien
3. Rodriguez, Island Lake Matthews
4. Jaworski, Minooka
5. Brown, Plano
6. Davis, Champaign-Edison

HM: Applegate, McHenry; Gagnon, CC; Scott, Quincy; Spruell, Troy

HWT:

1. Malcome, EP Grindley
2. Venegas, Hufford
3. Iwinski, Troy
4. Beasley, Sterling
5. Bulich, Matthews
6. Ballard, Quincy

HM: Leaf, Troy; Callender, Parkside; Nunez, Plano

[ichthys]

There are some tough kids from Cahokia that need to be on this list. Check out the results from the jon Davis middle school tournament

[The Rankster]

There are some tough kids from Cahokia that need to be on this list. Check out the results from the jon Davis middle school tournament

I've been sending out requests trying to find Cahokia results and haven't had any luck. Thanks for the heads up.

[urSTUCK]

now let me ask you this...why cant the IESA rankings be in the same web page with illinoismatmen.com?

[Blood on the knee]

Hunter Spengler Sherrard is out there somewhere. Don't overlook that cat

[bubbaandsonnyboy]

Could you please remove ryan burright from your rankings? I have asked you twice in pms to do this. And i would appreciate it if he wasnt even mentioned on this site.

[The Rankster]

Hunter Spengler Sherrard is out there somewhere. Don't overlook that cat


Just found out what weight he was wrestling. He'll be in the next rankings.

I also got some results after these were published. Timber Ridge, for example, won't be reflected until the next set.

[The Rankster]

Could you please remove ryan burright from your rankings? I have asked you twice in pms to do this. And i would appreciate it if he wasnt even mentioned on this site.

I know you have.

The problem is that if I intentionally don't rank someone, especially someone as talented as your son, then the entire rankings are worthless. It would be like the IHSA rankings just ignoring a Max Schneider or a Bryce Brill.

I try to treat these rankings as objectively and professionally as I would if I were responsible for the high school or college rankings. I use all the information I have to be as accurate as possible. Now, I'm often wrong because I lack information and because it's middle school wrestling, which is a bit harder to predict. However, with the information I have, I do try to be as accurate as possible.

To simply not put someone deserving on the list is to ruin its reputability (a word?). So the options are I either stop doing rankings altogether or I rank everyone as best I can with the information I have.

Sorry, having people know your son is a side effect of being on the top team in the IESA, which will always be in the spotlight, and winning the top tournaments for that team.

[The Rankster]

now let me ask you this...why cant the IESA rankings be in the same web page with illinoismatmen.com?

Mostly because these are officially unofficial. If we did put it on the main page, I'd probably get more coaches sending results, which would mean more accuracy.

[The Scrabbler]

Could you please remove ryan burright from your rankings? I have asked you twice in pms to do this. And i would appreciate it if he wasnt even mentioned on this site.

I'm with you, bubbaandsonnyboy. I heard three co-workers whispering about your son around the water cooler and I put an immediate end to that. Not only will he not be discussed on this site, I won't let his name be heard by human ears.

I've also put an official request in to the IESA on your behalf to require a rule that all eyes must be averted when Ryan is wrestling. Everyone must stare at the nearest wall until they hear a final whistle or buzzer. I hope I didn't overstep my bounds there.

You're welcome.

[knowledge keeper]

I'm with you, bubbaandsonnyboy. I heard three co-workers whispering about your son around the water cooler and I put an immediate end to that. Not only will he not be discussed on this site, I won't let his name be heard by human ears.

I've also put an official request in to the IESA on your behalf to require a rule that all eyes must be averted when Ryan is wrestling. Everyone must stare at the nearest wall until they hear a final whistle or buzzer. I hope I didn't overstep my bounds there.

You're welcome.

We will start with the Hooks rematch tonight. I've already told him to look away as they wrestle and not refer to the boy by any name besides "that kid".
We are looking to beat "that kid" tonight, hope the match happens.

[nosretep]

Could you please remove ryan burright from your rankings? I have asked you twice in pms to do this. And i would appreciate it if he wasnt even mentioned on this site.
Just my IMO. I watched your son wrestle at the Dekalb tournament he is a very good wrestler, and i understand you do not want a target on his back for other wrestler to go gunning fore, but that being said they will all know who he is because of his wrestling abilities. Whether we are reading about him or talking about him whats the difference. His name will always be out there. By the way my congradulations on winning the Dekalb tournament. Good luck at State i am sure he will be there.

[The Scrabbler]

We will start with the Hooks rematch tonight. I've already told him to look away as they wrestle and not refer to the boy by any name besides "that kid".
We are looking to beat "that kid" tonight, hope the match happens.

How will you know if the match happens, coach? You won't be allowed to look at it.

If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound? If there's a fall in a Ryan Burright match, does anyone know?

The only question now is whether a violation of rule institutes an immediate technical violation, an unsportsmanlike penalty, or a caution. A committee is meeting before tonight's meet to make a decision.

[PapaBearSLIM]

You guys are a riot.

[countdalights]

If I was a coach l'll call a timeout. Wait wrestling doesn't have timeouts. I would then bring it to the table and let the ref know what's going on.

[TappedOut]

Could you please remove ryan burright from your rankings? I have asked you twice in pms to do this. And i would appreciate it if he wasnt even mentioned on this site.


so no ikwf this year?

[knowledge keeper]

You guys are a riot.

Papa, Just want to agree with so many others...your boy looks great this season and is super impressive for a frosh, best of luck at state, see you there!! And the IESA has some characters, no doubt, keeps it fun...

[PapaBearSLIM]

Papa, Just want to agree with so many others...your boy looks great this season and is super impressive for a frosh, best of luck at state, see you there!! And the IESA has some characters, no doubt, keeps it fun...

Thanks. I remember when a dad of another "he that shall not be called by name" was effective at keeping his kid's name from being mentioned in IKWF rankings even though he was the best kid not only at his weight but probably in the entire IKWF. You guys are having a lot more fun with this dad than anybody dared have with that other dad.

[The Scrabbler]

so no ikwf this year?

Well, that depends on who you talk to.

[PapaBearSLIM]

Well, that depends on who you talk to.

Could this be the unmentioned team from another thread?

[TappedOut]

Well, that depends on who you talk to.

and plot thickens...

:cool:

[Cockroach]

I was just wondering papa bear, how long does it take to drive your son to school every morning or your other one to practice at night? I guess it depends on where you live . Arent you suppose to live in the district you go to school in unless its a private school? Just curious

[bubbaandsonnyboy]

So are you cry babies that hide behind a screen name insinuating my son is still involved with the ikwf?

[urSTUCK]

Cant you guys just get along??

[TappedOut]

So are you cry babies that hide behind a screen name insinuating my son is still involved with the ikwf?


not at all, just surprised he wasn't, was an honest question.

[PapaBearSLIM]

I was just wondering papa bear, how long does it take to drive your son to school every morning or your other one to practice at night? I guess it depends on where you live . Arent you suppose to live in the district you go to school in unless its a private school? Just curious

School 5-7 minutes.
Practice 45- an hour depending on traffic which is why I miss so many practices.

Being anonynous (or at least thinking you are) is such a warm, cozy and safe feeling. I know cockroaches favor the dark, but any other questions about me or my family you can ask in person if you want an answer... don't worry, I don't bite.

[Singlet04]

Hey Rankster I see some of the guys you have ranked #1 aren't even the # 1 seed at their conference meet this weekend, granted they are wrestling up from where they will probably be at the end of the season. Should be a fun tournament this weekend

[short sit]

We will start with the Hooks rematch tonight. I've already told him to look away as they wrestle and not refer to the boy by any name besides "that kid".
We are looking to beat "that kid" tonight, hope the match happens.
was there a rematch? If so any reults

[The Rankster]

Hey Rankster I see some of the guys you have ranked #1 aren't even the # 1 seed at their conference meet this weekend, granted they are wrestling up from where they will probably be at the end of the season. Should be a fun tournament this weekend

Give me some specific examples.

And this isn't all that uncommon. A lot of number ones get beat and have losses on their record because of tough schedules or wrestling up or whatever. Depending on the criteria, there may be wrestlers who get a higher seed based on undefeated records or head-to-head upsets or whatever.

Still, I'd love to hear the specific examples.

[The Scrabbler]

I was just wondering papa bear, how long does it take to drive your son to school every morning or your other one to practice at night? I guess it depends on where you live . Arent you suppose to live in the district you go to school in unless its a private school? Just curious

This is absolutely unnecessary.

I'm going to ditto KnowledgeKeeper and give congratulations to you and your son, PBS, on a successful season so far (and a nice win against Powell). Good luck at regionals and beyond.

[livingthedream]

Wow! I really thought the gap between ikwf and iesa talent was closing but judging from the rankings its still pretty large. Any thoughts as to why? Is it the limited number of matches kids get in iesa or just less kids? Not putting iesa down in any way, just wondering if anyone has thoughts on how they can close this gap.

[calotofwrestling]

Wow! I really thought the gap between ikwf and iesa talent was closing but judging from the rankings its still pretty large. Any thoughts as to why? Is it the limited number of matches kids get in iesa or just less kids? Not putting iesa down in any way, just wondering if anyone has thoughts on how they can close this gap.
What about the rankings brought you to that conclusion?I would also agree with you the gap isnt getting any closer.The IESA is kids wrestling for the Jr.High and only for Jr.High the IESA not allowing the kids to compete in IKWF tourneys is what hurts them just not enough competetion to go around.If and when the IESA allows kids to go to IKWF tourneys is when the gap will close until then IESA will remain far behind.

[livingthedream]

What about the rankings brought you to that conclusion?I would also agree with you the gap isnt getting any closer.The IESA is kids wrestling for the Jr.High and only for Jr.High the IESA not allowing the kids to compete in IKWF tourneys is what hurts them just not enough competetion to go around.If and when the IESA allows kids to go to IKWF tourneys is when the gap will close until then IESA will remain far behind.
I just saw some kids that were ikwf last year and very average also some kids i saw off season who didnt fair well against ikwf kids but are ranked very high. Dont really want to say specific names. That wouldnt be very nice to kid and dont want to make it sound like personal attack.

[The Scrabbler]

I'm just surprised this topic came up.

[livingthedream]

I'm just surprised this topic came up.
I didnt do it start an ikwf vs. iesa debate just wanted some honest info on why the levels are so different.

[mat fan]

In my opinion it is not lack of competing in I.K.W.F. tournaments that creates this gap.It is a few different problems one is when you wrestle I.K.W.F. you compete against kids who are equal or a little better as this is how brackets are created also you wrestle a much wider geographic region anywhere from 500 to 1000 kids at any given tourny.Also I think parents tend to focus on the really gifted kids there are plenty of average kids in I.K.W.F. As I stated in previous posts with the I.E.S.A. limiting the outside activity of an athlete it prohibits growth.The argument has been made that parents would have their kids wrestle 12 hours a day.I don't really think this is the case at least not by the vast majority of people.I also believe most kids in I.K.W.F. are competing because they want to.I believe schools should be able to limit the amount of kids competing as some of those kids are just there taking up valuable mat time.In my son's school coaching is excellent I however think the coaching would be more effective if there was not 85 kids in the practice room.There is always going to be the disagreement of which is better the simple truth is some kids do better in ik some in ie and I do not agree with the rule of no extra workouts

[livingthedream]

In my opinion it is not lack of competing in I.K.W.F. tournaments that creates this gap.It is a few different problems one is when you wrestle I.K.W.F. you compete against kids who are equal or a little better as this is how brackets are created also you wrestle a much wider geographic region anywhere from 500 to 1000 kids at any given tourny.Also I think parents tend to focus on the really gifted kids there are plenty of average kids in I.K.W.F. As I stated in previous posts with the I.E.S.A. limiting the outside activity of an athlete it prohibits growth.The argument has been made that parents would have their kids wrestle 12 hours a day.I don't really think this is the case at least not by the vast majority of people.I also believe most kids in I.K.W.F. are competing because they want to.I believe schools should be able to limit the amount of kids competing as some of those kids are just there taking up valuable mat time.In my son's school coaching is excellent I however think the coaching would be more effective if there was not 85 kids in the practice room.There is always going to be the disagreement of which is better the simple truth is some kids do better in ik some in ie and I do not agree with the rule of no extra workouts
Thanks this is much more what I was looking for. Some people get very defensive and wont give honest opinions. I think ikwf is far superior at top end ,but also think the iesa is keeping wrestling alive in many 1a schools. I coach at a small 1a and would love to have iesa. We had 9 frshman go out for wrestling this year and only 2 of them came off my ikwf team. I cant help but think if we had iesa team those 9 would have all wrestled for a couple yrs before high school.

[nosretep]

Wow! I really thought the gap between ikwf and iesa talent was closing but judging from the rankings its still pretty large. Any thoughts as to why? Is it the limited number of matches kids get in iesa or just less kids? Not putting iesa down in any way, just wondering if anyone has thoughts on how they can close this gap.Here we go again could it be that the ikwf kids start much earlier in wrestling and also wrestle against kids who started wrestling much earlier also. My son wrestled ikwf for 6 years, overall most kids in the ikwf are better. I also think you people who think the iesa is weak might want to go to the iesa state. I would put the top 5 in state against ikwf top 5 and think your gap you all talk about would be much smaller than you think. If there is a gap there at all.

[short sit]

how many kids are in ikwf comared to iesa

[livingthedream]

Here we go again could it be that the ikwf kids start much earlier in wrestling and also wrestle against kids who started wrestling much earlier also. My son wrestled ikwf for 6 years, overall most kids in the ikwf are better. I also think you people who think the iesa is weak might want to go to the iesa state. I would put the top 5 in state against ikwf top 5 and think your gap you all talk about would be much smaller than you think. If there is a gap there at all.
That is where the gap is the largest. at most weights the iesa champ would not be top 5 ikwf and that is back to the heart of my question. why?

[livingthedream]

Who was last freshman from iesa to win ihsa state?

[throw_by]

Where you should start comparing is an incoming 5th or 6th grade wrestler in the IKWF compared to a 5th or 6th grade wrestler in the IESA. Wrestling through middle school and seeing who is better. That's where you can see who's program is what.

[livingthedream]

Where you should start comparing is an incoming 5th or 6th grade wrestler in the IKWF compared to a 5th or 6th grade wrestler in the IESA. Wrestling through middle school and seeing who is better. That's where you can see who's program is what.
dont a lot of 5th and 6th grade iesa kids come from ikwf? I know a lot of ikwf clubs are 10 and under then they iesa. This is part of the reason im confused by the difference in talent at the top.

[throw_by]

dont a lot of 5th and 6th grade iesa kids come from ikwf? I know a lot of ikwf clubs are 10 and under then they iesa. This is part of the reason im confused by the difference in talent at the top.

Well they are not coming to me

[livingthedream]

dont a lot of 5th and 6th grade iesa kids come from ikwf? I know a lot of ikwf clubs are 10 and under then they iesa. This is part of the reason im confused by the difference in talent at the top.
And i guess that makes a good question. Do most iesa kids start in 5 th grade or come in from an ikwf club. I know in our area there are at least a dozen clubs that feed iesa teams.

[livingthedream]

Well they are not coming to me
So glad u are responding here. This may be the heart of it. Are you saying the average iesa 8th grader has 3 or 4 yrs experience? Because the average ikwf kid at state has probably 8 to 10

[wcwcfan]

Cant you have a jr.high team without being part of iesa? I know of some that do the jr. high duel team format with no affiliation and are also part of the I.K and participate in tourny's over the weekend and in the state series. I would think that would be the way to go.

[Coach A]

And i guess that makes a good question. Do most iesa kids start in 5 th grade or come in from an ikwf club. I know in our area there are at least a dozen clubs that feed iesa teams.

Depends on the area and the club. Some clubs are under 10 and force the kids to wrestle for their IESA junior high or find another club they can wrestle for. In our area we have a club through 8th grade, and 3 solid IESA schools with teams. Currently I have 80+ kids in the room and about 50-60 of them are in 5th or 6th grade.....maybe 2 have wrestled before coming to me out of all of those kids. our room may not be typical, but I only get a couple years to get those kids up to par enough to compete against schools that have kids wrestle IKWF until 5th grade and then for their school.

Don't get me wrong, I get my share of kids with experience too, but the majority of my room is 1st and 2nd year kids.

[calotofwrestling]

Cant you have a jr.high team without being part of iesa? I know of some that do the jr. high duel team format with no affiliation and are also part of the I.K and participate in tourny's over the weekend and in the state series. I would think that would be the way to go.
Yes you can Sycamore does and has for years.

[livingthedream]

Would anyone agree that iesa is like 1a and ikwf is like 2a and 3a? and the pure numbers drive the fact that overall there is more talent where there are more kids?

[cmkling14]

I was under the impression that this was a rankings thread and not another IK vs. IE thread...but I have been wrong before.

[livingthedream]

Yes you can Sycamore does and has for years.
probably not a coincidence that they have a great high school team and tradition then.

[livingthedream]

I was under the impression that this was a rankings thread and not another IK vs. IE thread...but I have been wrong before.
Didnt mean to jack the thread, was just looking for info as i know a great deal of the ranked kids having watched them grow up ikwf or wrestle off season.

[short sit]

you can probably say certain middle schools dominate in iesa then when they get in high school not so much

[Kdogg's Dad]

My son wrestled in IKWF for a few years, had a good record most years, 35-5 38-10 etc. Now he is in sixth grade IESA and is struggling to stay above .500. He wrestles 126lb and is having a hard time matching power and strength of boys that are 2-3 years older than him. That is why I think it is hard to compare the IKWF with IESA, at the lower weights kids in IESA wrestle kids mostly their own age similar to IKWF, the higher weights most of the good wrestlers are in 8th grade. A 11 year-old most of the time cannot overpower a 14 year-old.

[livingthedream]

My son wrestled in IKWF for a few years, had a good record most years, 35-5 38-10 etc. Now he is in sixth grade IESA and is struggling to stay above .500. He wrestles 126lb and is having a hard time matching power and strength of boys that are 2-3 years older than him. That is why I think it is hard to compare the IKWF with IESA, at the lower weights kids in IESA wrestle kids mostly their own age similar to IKWF, the higher weights most of the good wrestlers are in 8th grade. A 11 year-old most of the time cannot overpower a 14 year-old.
This makes sense but it should mean that as 8th graders the iesa kids would pull ahead having wrestled older kids for 2 years.

[nosretep]

I'm just surprised this topic came up.
Here we go again. The ikwf fan crossed into the iesa threads.

[blackmanx10]

My teamate Ferguson of Bloomington at 145 beat Paige of Mattoon 7-0, also earlier this year he beat Robinson ranked #4 from DCR and miller of eureka ranked 5 beat him only 2-3 so if u have a chance look him up

[FishArt]

That is where the gap is the largest. at most weights the iesa champ would not be top 5 ikwf and that is back to the heart of my question. why?

Bolony! The fact of the matter is many of the IESA best started in the IKWF. It stands to reason the longer you do something the better you get at it. Many kids that start at 6 years old STAY in the IKWF. In general, the DEPTH is greater in the IKWF. In any given year you will have one or two kids in the IESA able to beat the top kids in the IKWF. And most will be able to hang with the top 3 or 4 - ON AVERAGE. In general the IESA Top Dawgs hang with (or beat) IK's Bronze and maybe give a close dual with IK Silver in a good year at the Danville Nationals. But, the IK Gold typically is on another level. No argument there. Personally, I think the depth is typically greater in the IK in the lighter weights. Usually, very deep. Once you get into the middle and especially the upper weights the depth isn't as great in either but they even out quite a bit. Sure, you might be able to pick a weight here and there where you're going to see a larger gap. But, again IN GENERAL in most years (I'm not sure how things compare THIS year) if you think that most IESA kids could not crack the top 5 in the IKWF then you're either trying to stir the pot or you're totally clueless of the talent level in the IESA. Go look at the Top Dawgs website for past years results and their data will support what I'm saying...

[nosretep]

Bolony! The fact of the matter is many of the IESA best started in the IKWF. It stands to reason the longer you do something the better you get at it. Many kids that start at 6 years old STAY in the IKWF. In general, the DEPTH is greater in the IKWF. In any given year you will have one or two kids in the IESA able to beat the top kids in the IKWF. And most will be able to hang with the top 3 or 4 - ON AVERAGE. In general the IESA Top Dawgs hang with (or beat) IK's Bronze and maybe give a close dual with IK Silver in a good year at the Danville Nationals. But, the IK Gold typically is on another level. No argument there. Personally, I think the depth is typically greater in the IK in the lighter weights. Usually, very deep. Once you get into the middle and especially the upper weights the depth isn't as great in either but they even out quite a bit. Sure, you might be able to pick a weight here and there where you're going to see a larger gap. But, again IN GENERAL in most years (I'm not sure how things compare THIS year) if you think that most IESA kids could not crack the top 5 in the IKWF then you're either trying to stir the pot or you're totally clueless of the talent level in the IESA. Go look at the Top Dawgs website for past years results and their data will support what I'm saying...I couldnt agree more , its a slap in the face to the iesa top wrestlers. Iwould love to see and iesa ikwf wrestle off for the top five spots at each weight. The ikwf would probably get more first place, but it would be a scramble for the other spots. IMO

[mat fan]

Fish art is 100 percent on the mark

[djhs342012]

i think you should rank malek harden from hufford dirksen at 145 he has face lamar in the finals of 2012 timber trail tourney and he beat kisner from mercer 5-0 before kisner broke his leg look him up or watch at the dale keith he is a beast

[short sit]

Fishart good job, you are spot on. IESA gets a lot of kids into the sport that might not of tried it. That is good for Il. and for the sport. IKWF is also good for Il. and the sport. We should be happy we hve both.

[Nikster]

Bolony! The fact of the matter is many of the IESA best started in the IKWF. It stands to reason the longer you do something the better you get at it. Many kids that start at 6 years old STAY in the IKWF. In general, the DEPTH is greater in the IKWF. In any given year you will have one or two kids in the IESA able to beat the top kids in the IKWF. And most will be able to hang with the top 3 or 4 - ON AVERAGE. In general the IESA Top Dawgs hang with (or beat) IK's Bronze and maybe give a close dual with IK Silver in a good year at the Danville Nationals. But, the IK Gold typically is on another level. No argument there. Personally, I think the depth is typically greater in the IK in the lighter weights. Usually, very deep. Once you get into the middle and especially the upper weights the depth isn't as great in either but they even out quite a bit. Sure, you might be able to pick a weight here and there where you're going to see a larger gap. But, again IN GENERAL in most years (I'm not sure how things compare THIS year) if you think that most IESA kids could not crack the top 5 in the IKWF then you're either trying to stir the pot or you're totally clueless of the talent level in the IESA. Go look at the Top Dawgs website for past years results and their data will support what I'm saying...
I know most of them and they trained on the side! Which conflicts your against the rule of training extra. Aint that funny!

[Nikster]

Not all but 60% of them in last 7 years.

[Pedro]

I think that trevor schuette should be ranked ! he only lost to watkins from illni-bluffs 2-0 in a 1-1-1 match he is 24-2

[livingthedream]

Bolony! The fact of the matter is many of the IESA best started in the IKWF. It stands to reason the longer you do something the better you get at it. Many kids that start at 6 years old STAY in the IKWF. In general, the DEPTH is greater in the IKWF. In any given year you will have one or two kids in the IESA able to beat the top kids in the IKWF. And most will be able to hang with the top 3 or 4 - ON AVERAGE. In general the IESA Top Dawgs hang with (or beat) IK's Bronze and maybe give a close dual with IK Silver in a good year at the Danville Nationals. But, the IK Gold typically is on another level. No argument there. Personally, I think the depth is typically greater in the IK in the lighter weights. Usually, very deep. Once you get into the middle and especially the upper weights the depth isn't as great in either but they even out quite a bit. Sure, you might be able to pick a weight here and there where you're going to see a larger gap. But, again IN GENERAL in most years (I'm not sure how things compare THIS year) if you think that most IESA kids could not crack the top 5 in the IKWF then you're either trying to stir the pot or you're totally clueless of the talent level in the IESA. Go look at the Top Dawgs website for past years results and their data will support what I'm saying...
Why no superstars then, A Bryce Brill or a Josh Alber? Even Jake Snow who won state last year as a frshman was never top 3 in Ikwf. I am a huge fan of any wrestling and am fighting to get iesa at our school, but i would lose top kids who would stay in the ikwf and couldnt blame them. The wrestler you have ranked number 1 at 65 would not qualify for state in the Ikwf. I say this knowing her well and have great respect for her. i was judging off preseason in danville at other weights. There is a kid ranked number 1 who went 0 and 4 in danville against kids who finished no better than 7th ikwf.

[livingthedream]

Why no superstars then, A Bryce Brill or a Josh Alber? Even Jake Snow who won state last year as a frshman was never top 3 in Ikwf. I am a huge fan of any wrestling and am fighting to get iesa at our school, but i would lose top kids who would stay in the ikwf and couldnt blame them. The wrestler you have ranked number 1 at 65 would not qualify for state in the Ikwf. I say this knowing her well and have great respect for her. i was judging off preseason in danville at other weights. There is a kid ranked number 1 who went 0 and 4 in danville against kids who finished no better than 7th ikwf.
This totally went a way i didnt want it to. I am currently fighting get iesa at our school. I wanted honest info on closing the gap. I didnt think that was a debate.

[cmkling14]

i think you should rank malek harden from hufford dirksen at 145 he has face lamar in the finals of 2012 timber trail tourney and he beat kisner from mercer 5-0 before kisner broke his leg look him up or watch at the dale keith he is a beast

Kisner broke his leg? Where?

[bubbax300]

Both organizations are awesome for the sport and its silly to try and compare them. My son was an IKWF kid and I coached in the IKWF for 8 years. I coached in high school before that, and am now back at the high school level. Our area (Minooka-Channahon) is blessed to have both options for kids. I was often asked by parents about changing from one to the other. I always said that, as long as the young man was wrestling, that either one was o.k.If a kid was 11-12 years old and had never wrestled, I'd recommend the IESA, simply because they would be less likely to wrestle kids who had been on the mat since they could walk! It's also tough to have a kid, or a family, spend an entire day at a Sunday tournament. I think the IKWF burns out a lot of kids and families for that reason.

For what it's worth, my son was a state champion in the IKWF as a Novice, wrestled on the varsity for about half of his matches, and ended up with a losing record. On the other hand, another young man on the team was an IESA state champ and ended up with a winning record on the varsity.

The moral of the story is to keep them wrestling, wherever is best for them.

[FishArt]

Bubba, I agree 100%! Both organizations get kids involved with wrestling. The IESA gets a lot of wrestlers to try the sport out for their first time at 5th or 6th grade because their classmates are doing it. And, it does offer an alternative to the burn-out and change of pace from the IKWF. That's the main reason my kid switched over.

"LivingtheDream", I'm not getting sucked into another conversation by commenting on more of your ignorant statements. I still say you're trolling the IESA board for an argument. If you're not, then I'd have to say your tact is analagous to an elephant in a china shop....

[MatPak126155]

Both organizations get kids involved with wrestling.

and that is why they are both better than any other sports organization in the world...because wrestling teaches kids how to win and how to lose and as said by Dan Gable, "After wrestling, everything else is easy."

That said, can we get back to talking about the ranked kids who like to be talked about and who's parents don't mind.

[cmkling14]

Thank you MatPak!!

[Singlet04]

I think after the NCJC conference tournament some rankings may change, what a day of wrestling

[protz75]

Why no superstars then, A Bryce Brill or a Josh Alber? Even Jake Snow who won state last year as a frshman was never top 3 in Ikwf. I am a huge fan of any wrestling and am fighting to get iesa at our school, but i would lose top kids who would stay in the ikwf and couldnt blame them. The wrestler you have ranked number 1 at 65 would not qualify for state in the Ikwf. I say this knowing her well and have great respect for her. i was judging off preseason in danville at other weights. There is a kid ranked number 1 who went 0 and 4 in danville against kids who finished no better than 7th ikwf.

Dont talk about respect for someone when you bash them personally on a thread. What a joke. Keep fighting for getting in the iesa. I know your school and rooting for it to. If ya got better than bring it. Otherwise shut your mouth and get back on the ikwf site.

[Nikster]

His kid places 3rd and 4th most tournaments in ikwf. I know them all. The weak only bitch cause they have nothing else to go on. Other people's name's but not there own!

[The Rankster]

I think that trevor schuette should be ranked ! he only lost to watkins from illni-bluffs 2-0 in a 1-1-1 match he is 24-2

What school?

[The Rankster]

I think after the NCJC conference tournament some rankings may change, what a day of wrestling

Only if I get results. Send them!

[Gr8 Sport]

The results for NCJC conference can be found on track wrestling. The Tourny was held in Rochelle.

[MatPak126155]

seems likethe upper weights are pretty thin...seemed that way on our team but seems to be a trend this year anyone else seeing the same thing? not much talk about anyone over 145 unless im missin it.

[miami51]

So do some conferences like the NCJC conference allow IKWF kids to wrestle in them?

[livingthedream]

Dont talk about respect for someone when you bash them personally on a thread. What a joke. Keep fighting for getting in the iesa. I know your school and rooting for it to. If ya got better than bring it. Otherwise shut your mouth and get back on the ikwf site.
Chris you know me and i was not bashing anyone! The name was mentioned on rankings or i would have never mentioned it. I am a big fan of your group. my son and yours have probably wrestled 30 times. By the way destanie would stomp a mud hole in my boy. I came on here trying to start a debate on the differences in the 2 groups and somehow everyone got superdefensive. It seems i touched a very sore subject.

[protz75]

Chris you know me and i was not bashing anyone! The name was mentioned on rankings or i would have never mentioned it. I am a big fan of your group. my son and yours have probably wrestled 30 times. By the way destanie would stomp a mud hole in my boy. I came on here trying to start a debate on the differences in the 2 groups and somehow everyone got superdefensive. It seems i touched a very sore subject.

Very cool living the dream. I think you could of made your point just as affectively with out using the names of kids. It came off very rude coach. Talking her down ,than saying you respect her is like me calling you an a#$ with all due respect. It doesn't make it sound better. Its always personal when its your own. I got no hard feelings coach. Will leave it at that.

[livingthedream]

Very cool living the dream. I think ya could of made your point just as affectively with out using the names of kids. It came off very rude coach. Talking her down ,than saying you respect her is like me calling you an a#$ with all due respect. Its always personal when its your own. I got no hard feeling coach. Will leave it at that.
Again im sorry. I have never mentioned a kid on my own team by name and should have have given yours the same courtesy.

[countdalights]

hi rankster the guy u have ranked 4th and 6th at 145 i beat to take first in the ncjc tournmet i was worndering thise that mean he go down and i go up????

That's funny stuff.

[Throwya4five]

hi rankster the guy u have ranked 4th and 6th at 145 i beat to take first in the ncjc tournmet i was worndering thise that mean he go down and i go up????

Stay off the gin.lol. Forget the keys,
take away his key board!

[Throwya4five]

Just having fun Dekalbwrestler. You may want to edit that one kido.

[strive2win88]

Courtney From chatham needs to be in the mix at 185 i believe. This kid is a monster and after Mahomet he wont be flying under the radar anymore. Hes big fast and strong, not something you see at that weight class usually.

[Thebear]

Rankster at 135 Alacantra Wilmette is 1-1 against Yager, why did he fall off the HM. Also Kuppets 215 Wilmette 7-1 has beaten Mac heavy and Shepard heavy via pin. Do a complete job on your rankings please.

[Lake County Pop]

Rankster at 135 Alacantra Wilmette is 1-1 against Yager, why did he fall off the HM. Also Kuppets 215 Wilmette 7-1 has beaten Mac heavy and Shepard heavy via pin. Do a complete job on your rankings please.

The Rankster has Alcantara at 126 under HM

[Fan18]

I have noticed increased negativity towards the rankster and his rankings this year. Unless I am mistaken I do not believe he is getting paid for this and is doing purely from his love for the sport of wrestling. On top of that he can only do accurate rankings if he gets results. I have seen a huge drop in results that have been posted from past years to this year. What I have seen more of this year on this site is kids and parents running their mouths which is taking away from the integrity of the site. If the site is filled with this garbage of kids and parents whining no one is going to pay attention to it anymore. ALL THAT MATTERS IS DEKALB ON 3/10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You want recognition Win State!

[nosretep]

I have noticed increased negativity towards the rankster and his rankings this year. Unless I am mistaken I do not believe he is getting paid for this and is doing purely from his love for the sport of wrestling. On top of that he can only do accurate rankings if he gets results. I have seen a huge drop in results that have been posted from past years to this year. What I have seen more of this year on this site is kids and parents running their mouths which is taking away from the integrity of the site. If the site is filled with this garbage of kids and parents whining no one is going to pay attention to it anymore. ALL THAT MATTERS IS DEKALB ON 3/10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You want recognition Win State!The whinners should also do some background on how accurate he is when it comes to getting the top five wrestlers in each weight class taking medals at state its pretty good.

[Broncfalls]

As a new coach on this site, I thinks it great that coaches, parents and wrestlers can talk about the sport we all love. With that said, in direct relation to rankster and the feedback I have seen him receive is quite troublesome. Although, this individual clearly has a very, very good pulse of the states wrestlers, it is impossible to be 100% accurate. I believe he has stated this before. This is largely due to match results being available. He is one man/woman. Doing this for the joy and pleasure of us all that come to this site. Let's do everyone a favor. If you log onto this site and for one minute, think about replying to his rankings and questioning them, ask yourself this one question. Have I provided him results from a meet or tournament that will help support my case? If the answer is no, I would suggest you logging off, go get the results, post them and then maybe private message him. Guys/Gals, can't we all just appreciate the work he is doing and help him make them as accurate as they could be? I for one could not imagine the work it takes put this together. Rankster, as a new coach...I appreciate the work you do! Keep up the work! p.s. if you talk to grapln1, please tell him he has 2 maybe 3 years before we come after his squad! LOL! Nice job!

[MatPak126155]

The whinners should also do some background on how accurate he is when it comes to getting the top five wrestlers in each weight class taking medals at state its pretty good.

I agree that there has been alot of negativity about the rankings and thrown at the person who has taken it upon his shoulders to generate them. I suggest that the people that have an issue with the rankings undertake the task of creating their own and then comment.

three years ago i did a breakdown of the prior year rankings and the accuracy...suffice it to say that these rankings are more accurate than the BCS. (I believe that he picked the top 5 placers in state, but not in order, for all weight classes with about an 80% accuracy! calculate the number of kids at the tourney and the number of weights and the number is even more impressive.

keep up the good work rankster...

[grapln111]

As a new coach on this site, I thinks it great that coaches, parents and wrestlers can talk about the sport we all love. With that said, in direct relation to rankster and the feedback I have seen him receive is quite troublesome. Although, this individual clearly has a very, very good pulse of the states wrestlers, it is impossible to be 100% accurate. I believe he has stated this before. This is largely due to match results being available. He is one man/woman. Doing this for the joy and pleasure of us all that come to this site. Let's do everyone a favor. If you log onto this site and for one minute, think about replying to his rankings and questioning them, ask yourself this one question. Have I provided him results from a meet or tournament that will help support my case? If the answer is no, I would suggest you logging off, go get the results, post them and then maybe private message him. Guys/Gals, can't we all just appreciate the work he is doing and help him make them as accurate as they could be? I for one could not imagine the work it takes put this together. Rankster, as a new coach...I appreciate the work you do! Keep up the work! p.s. if you talk to grapln1, please tell him he has 2 maybe 3 years before we come after his squad! LOL! Nice job!



You better look more down the road my friend...lmao

[nosretep]

I agree that there has been alot of negativity about the rankings and thrown at the person who has taken it upon his shoulders to generate them. I suggest that the people that have an issue with the rankings undertake the task of creating their own and then comment.

three years ago i did a breakdown of the prior year rankings and the accuracy...suffice it to say that these rankings are more accurate than the BCS. (I believe that he picked the top 5 placers in state, but not in order, for all weight classes with about an 80% accuracy! calculate the number of kids at the tourney and the number of weights and the number is even more impressive.

keep up the good work rankster...Rankster where are you we need to see if anything has changed on the ranking board?

[The Rankster]

Rankster where are you we need to see if anything has changed on the ranking board?

I'm working on them right now.

And to whoever said I was one man/woman. I prefer "one GOOD LOOKING man/woman."