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Kelly Green
01-31-2005, 11:22 PM
Twelve youth wrestling clubs ascended on Danville, IL for the annual IKWF Dual Team State Championships, from Murphysboro to Dakota and everywhere in between.What a great display they all put on for us. The State Duals are truly one of the best tournaments in the IKWF, in my opinion, only a notch below the individual State Tournament in Rockford. Dual Team competition is as good as it gets. For the kids who don’t continue to wrestle in high school, this is their only exposure they will ever have with the dual format.

It all started Friday night

Watching the Fighting Illini wrestling team beat...no pound, the Iowa Hawkeyes was awesome. Being so close to Danville, and watching that butt-kicking had me ready for Sunday. I couldn’t sleep for two nights. I was a wreck. I knew Sunday was going to be a special day. And it was.

And that’s why they wrestle ‘em coach

I was three for four with my first round predictions. Leave it to the Vittum Catz to spoil my perfect predictions. In round two, Orland Park stepped it up and beat Harlem(55-51) to ruin my final four prediction too. It’s great to have a team like Orland Park down the road and in our section. High level competition breeds high level competition. Can’t wait for the Tholl Elite on Feb 13th. I did nail the finals dual tho. I also took the safety route and made no prediction in that final dual. Altho, I knew it would be a close one.

Close as they come

This year there were six duals decided by four points or less. Last year there were ZERO. There were three duals decided by fifteen points or less too. That is a lot of close duals. There were only twenty total duals. And don’t forget, last year we had fifteen teams compared to twelve this year.With all the competitive duals the Palmer Arena was getting pretty loud at times. It was very exciting. I had no idea what was going on with the Granite City/Orland Park third place dual but, when the Orland Park folks went nuts I figured it was something good for them. What an ending. I’m glad Mr. Ambrose filled us in on what happened. That is a great story and very touching.

The Match...

After the Vittum Catz out dualed Edwardsville 67-37, they had a 10:00am date with Martinez Fox Valley Elite. And that meant only one thing...Uccardi(MFVE) vs. Murphy(Vit). Yeah I know, this was a day for the team game but, both these clubs are as tough as they come with styles as different as they come. Vittum seems to ride tough, play the edge, wrestle mistake free and take advantage of opponent mistakes. Martinez kids have more technique than most high school kids and have the winners attitude on the mat. A 2X Novice State Champ(Uccardi) and a 2X Senior State Champ(Murphy). They battled to a 0-0 tie at the end of the first period. Uccardi started down in the second period and Murphy proceeded to ride him out just like he did against Spangler(Fox Valley) at the Midwest Classic. Murphy was hit for stalling one time too. In the third period Murphy choose down and Uccardi "cut him" to make the score 1-0 with 1:25 left in the match. Uccardi worked for the take down but Murphy wasn’t letting it happen. With around 15 seconds left, Murphy is hit with his second warning for stalling. 1-1 now. First OT ended with no score so they go into the 2OT. Since Murphy scored first it was his choice and he picked the top position. Joey escaped with about 15 seconds left in the 2OT for the win. What a great match between to great Illinois wrestlers.

And Now For The Main Event

It really started at the first warm-up when the two clubs, Martinez Elite and the Little Celtics, shared the same mat.It was like two heavy weight prizefighters eye-balling each other on mat number two. It wasn’t a matter of "if" they would meet...it was "when" are they going to meet. Martinez Elite rolled into the finals by beating Vittum(79-19) and Orland Park(92-14). The Little Celtics on the other hand had to get by the Blackhawks(62-47) and Granite City(64-33). Neither was an easy task They started at 115#s all day. Not a bad draw for either team I thought. Heck, we knew where they were strong and they knew where we were strong. If I counted right, Martinez had seven victories by fall(101,108,115,147,177,215,275). The Little Celtics had four six point victories, three by fall and one by a forfeit(84,156,166,189). In fact, I believe the Little Celtics won more matches...11-10. Martinez started out with a fall to go up 6-0. Then the Lil Celtics battled back to win the next three bouts. At 147lbs. Martinez won again by fall to stop the mini-run the Lil Celtics had going. Lil Celts received a forfeit and a win between 156 and 166 to take the lead back. Martinez then went on a mini run themselves. They pinned three times(177,215,275) out of the next four bouts. The lone victory during that barrage for the Lil Celts was a fall at 189.Then the top of the weight class started. That’s when the littlest Little Celtics made their push for victory. "Murderers Row" won the next five out of six matches(62,66,70,74,84)for the Little Celtics. Now here’s where it gets exciting, going into the 89# match the Little Celtics had a16 point lead. If they(LCWC) win the 89lbs match the Lil Celtics would have taken a 19 point lead with three matches left. They say "Timing is everything." I don’t think either one of those boys new how much was riding on that one bout at that time. After watching that video a couple of times, it was a shame one of those young warriors had to lose. They both gave 110%. There was NO quitting in either one of them. They both were/are a credit to their respective clubs. The Little Celtic lost that 89lbs match 4-2, and that’s when Martinez hit the Little Celtics with the knock out punch. Martinez won at 95lbs and trailed by 10 points going into the last two bouts. They needed two pins in the final two bouts to win their fourth consecutive state championship. Martinez got those pins they needed and won.

"Your Best"...that’s all you can ask from anybody. Both these clubs gave just that...their best. From their coaches to their kids...they all gave their best. It was awesome to watch. I’m very gratefull I was there to watch. The NFL has "The Catch"(Montana to Clark against the Cowboys) and they have "The Drive"(Elway against the Browns), now the IKWF has "The Dual"(Martinez Elite vs. Little Celtics in 2005). It really was great.

Coach A.J.
01-31-2005, 11:38 PM
You had me at the edge of my seat, just like a good, excitng movie. Felt like i was there. Unbelievable, anybody that reads this will be drawn in. Thats talented thoughts and writing. Thanks for the adrenaline at 11:30p.m. Everybody at the duals must be worn out. Great Job!!!!!

Nic9er
02-01-2005, 03:13 AM
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Not sure if the Central location is hurting the Midget State and the State Duals. Would I like to see it any place but Danville? Oh yeah, I would, south, north who cares just not Danville! With that said, now about the State Duals.

Now I guess I missed something because every time I see something good voted in they change it. It was a 16 team bracket last year and now it is a 12 man bracket? Now how is this expanding wrestling in Illinois?

If I'm not wrong the walk-over rule is back also. Oh well, 1 step forward and 3 steps back every time something starts to make sense.

As for the State Duals my pick is the Lil Green Man, power in numbers, they are a huge team again much like they were a few years back.

As for teams that dont enter the state duals, I glad Orland Park has make the choice to start attending a few years back always thought they were a good dual team. Fox Valley wont never enter the state duals, part of the reason the club split a few years back. The Twisters dont enter because they dont like to show their poker hand is my guess.

Harlem is not the team of old, they have split many times (Stillman Valley, Fightin Titans, Hononegah, plus others - etc.) with the former coaches starting other clubs. One ego problem still seems to still be on going problem in this club or maybe it?s just fact the club funds picking up the bar tab after the wrestling meets.

Martinez Fox Valley is one of the best teams money can buy (except one other), but without saying they may not be buying the title this year. I see Bickle is back, coaches watch this one he has gotten alot better in his 2 year break from the Valley.

Now the team that takes the cake for the most over-priced team/club/school whatever has to the OVERTIME. Ok they have a decent coaching staff well at that cost you could get most any Div 1/2/3 college coach staff also to private tutor your kid in wrestling for the off season/season break. Some one once said Martinez just took the best from the rest, well it seems OverTime can claim that title now also. If your not already a state qualifier or national all-american they wont take your $2000.00 because you wont look good in there uniforms getting beat. The funny thing is when was the last time you seen a OverTime kid win in OT (the name does not fit). I will give the staff props for opening in the Chicago Metro area (Naperville) with its what near 4 millions combined population. With those numbers geez, I would hope a few of the students enrolled would do well at State/Nationals. I am all for expanding your success in wrestling but not really a fan of means to get to the goal. Someone remember the saying "a fool and their money are soon parted".

Dakota not seem much of them this year, but if they are smart a little work could tap into the unexplored talent laying in wait the salty town of Freeport. A branch club of Dakota wrestling team based in Freeport could put this town on the radar and bring them from the fight to be last place in the Nic9 Conferance and Quad City Regionals.

Villa-Lomard always the dark horse of the duals, they seem to have something on Harry Potter cause they always come out of no where with a good dual team.

Golden Eagles boy has this club turned the high school into something or what they seem to do what many of other clubs dont, keep the kids on the team and on the wrestling mat. Maybe it's having a high school coach interest the youth wrestlers he will coach in the future that is the secret, time will tell since this years Jacob team is the best they have had yet. As for the youth team no idea, my pick is the C-L Wiz but the Wiz are not in the duals this year.

Tinley Park with Razzy_Dawg muzzled this year (or so it seems) the Bulldogs could surprise those that think they are in a rebuilding year.

A little off the topic ... oh well its all wrestling .....

Good luck to all and I would like to see a little more exposure for the State Duals. What is the point of having it if you're not going to put the kids in the spot light.

My thinking is: OK this year there are 12 teams. Now we have a good idea who is wrestling where so why not have the line ups available for the fans/coaches etc. No one is asking for exact line up just a little INK for those wresters and teams represented in the State Duals.

With 12,000 (est.) members this year north to south, east to west in the state of Illinois, I have not seen much INK related to the IKWF, years past at least there was some talk (good or bad) but this year has been a bore and a let down so far. Marketing and Communication seems to be lacking this year not sure what the deal is this year. The IKWF website still is poor on usefull and good information considering all the action every weekend. My guess is the tourney directors are just to lasy to summit results. On second thought there is really no where to send them anyways. The high schools seem to have been lasy most of this year also, lack of results makings for a dull year, youth or high school. Ok so the IKWF has several new officers and now we are in year #2 of their terms and I have not seen anything they have brought to the IKWF table that was anything worth mentioning that has bettered or expanded the IKWF.

The Junior-Midget/Bantum/Fresh-Soph State was laughed at for a number of years when it was started by the IWF. Ok now they are just cash cows for others, ok so be it, not my care since it has continued with what others started to expand the opertunities for the IL youth wrestling community.
Does anyone know what registered IKWF club is on record as the HOST of the Junior-Midget State (unknown), Bantum State (Tinley Park-I think), Fresh-Soph State. Another interesting thing is who is the registered IKWF club on record as the HOST of the Winter Nationals? All events do have to be registered IKWF sancationed events and hosted through a IKWF chartered club, correct? Official IKWF State Series is the Novice-Senior State but unless an event HOSTED by the IKWF (like the IKWF KIDS OPEN) any club should be allowed to host an event on that date. Meaning although the Winter Nationals does add an oppertunity to wrestle how is it fair to the IKWF chartered clubs that an outside organization can host an event before its' chartered members are allowed to sancation their event for the year. Unless the Winter Nationals is Hosted by the IKWF and sancationed by its board members all clubs should be entitled to host an event on the same date if they wish. With all the clubs and the limited amount of Sundays, there should be a push to start the season sooner. Saturdays is always a good day also for an event but basketball games limits the use on this date far more than the dad getting to watch agrument.

Off topic again.

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In the Know
02-01-2005, 02:06 PM
You must be a former pro-IKFer to be so negative. If you want to identify the problem why don't you also present a viable/real solution or idea. Judging by your past posts (mostly on IHSA AA) your interest now are in H.S., so you may not be totally up to speed in the IKWF arena or kids wrestling.

There is a chain of command or procedure to voice your ideas or complaints and it starts with your kids sectional director. So why don't you start there if you are truly concerned with getting some changes, otherwise your post is just fodder for rumors and inuendos.

John Ambrose
02-02-2005, 03:58 PM
All I know is that the last 2 Duals that we (Orland Pioneers) were in Danville and they were the best times that I and the kids ever had. Danville is a great place to have event. The crowd gets into it and the noise gets the wrestlers going. Its awesome. Just ask the Celtics and Martinez too.

Coach Ryan
02-02-2005, 04:12 PM
Speaking on behalf of the GC Jr Wariors, I like Palmer Arena as a tournament facility. I thought the duals went great, and we will be bringing more cheerleaders (people in the crowd) next year. They had decent buscuits and gravy for breakfast, and a variety of drinks. Maybe allow some ice, I know it's kind of messy, but it gets hot down there. I do one have one question/suggestion. How are officials chosen? Is there any way we could get 2 officials from each district, voted on by the competing teams from the previous year? I am in no way complaining or blaming any officials for anything, they did a good job overall. I was just wondering how they were chosen, there is a southern official that is a veteran and one of the best I've seen. Thanks for the compeitition and wonderful first experience.

Kelly Green
02-02-2005, 04:32 PM
You can't make everyone happy when it comes to a location for a "state" type of event. Danville is a happy medium between the North and the South.

I like the Palmer Arena. It's perfect size for this event. Not a bad seat in the house to watch the other duals either(unlike last year). The conssesions could be better but, overall not to bad. The prices are better then what we pay at the Kids Open in Peoria. They are missing my favorite tho...the famous 'taco-in-a-bag':)

No, Danville is not the greatest of cities out there but, I'm there for the wrestling and wrestling only.

I had heard rumor the site of the State Duals will alternate between a Northern site to be detremined yet and Danville. It wouldn't bother me if the State Duals stayed in Danville indefinately.

Danville gets my vote for next year!!!

Nic9er
03-26-2005, 09:20 PM
Quote by: In The Know

You must be a former pro-IKFer to be so negative. If you want to identify the problem why don't you also present a viable/real solution or idea. Judging by your past posts (mostly on IHSA AA) your interest now are in H.S., so you may not be totally up to speed in the IKWF arena or kids wrestling.

There is a chain of command or procedure to voice your ideas or complaints and it starts with your kids sectional director. So why don't you start there if you are truly concerned with getting some changes, otherwise your post is just fodder for rumors and inuendos.

Still think I am not up to speed on the IKWF and kids wrestling?

Quote by: in The Know

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Time and place please! :D