Team IL Cadets FS/GR National Duals Thread

[Maximus]

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GRECO
Team Illinois: Pool "D"

Round 1) vs. Wyoming
Round 2) vs. Michigan
Round 3) vs. Iowa
Round 4) vs. Nebraska
Round 5) vs. New York

[Jaguar]

That looks like a decent bracket. The Greco and Freestyle duals are an awesome event! It doesn't get much better than that. Everyone brings their A game, and there are some real dogfights. Go Illinois!

[SouthsideCoach]

That looks like a decent bracket. The Greco and Freestyle duals are an awesome event! It doesn't get much better than that. Everyone brings their A game, and there are some real dogfights. Go Illinois!

I went to the practices and they have a SOLID Greco team, top to bottom. Max, Riley, E. Coleman, and Reed were super solid. Its going to be a dogfight, but our team should medal. Go Illinois!

[119Fan]

Illinois defeats Wyoming in first round 66-14

[119Fan]

Illinois over Michigan 46-27. Believe they have Iowa next. Keep up the good work.

[Jaguar]

It looks like Nebraska will be the challenge. They trounced Iowa badly.

[gonzokid]

It looks like Nebraska will be the challenge. They trounced Iowa badly.

I think it was the other way around: Iowa 74 Nebraska 8

[Maximus]

Team Illinois has Iowa next. These two look like the two best in the pool. I'm gonna call it right now:) Team Illinois beats Iowa and goes on to win Pool "D".

Goo Illinois!

[rider189]

Match #1 Round 1: ILLINOIS defeated WYOMING 66-14
84 - Ryan Dix (ILLINOIS) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf
91 - Damonte Riley (ILLINOIS) over Denisia Godfrey (WYOMING) TF 7-0,7-0
98 - Max Nowry (ILLINOIS) over Jackson Bassett (WYOMING) Pin 0:22
105 - Tyler Cox (WYOMING) over Kent Williams (ILLINOIS) Dec 7-5,10-0
112 - Ellis Coleman (ILLINOIS) over Jesse Hillhouse (WYOMING) Pin 1:13
119 - Tyler Juby (WYOMING) over Nathan Fitzenreider (ILLINOIS) TF 9-2,10-0
125 - Jimmy Chase (ILLINOIS) over Briston Brenton (WYOMING) Pin 1:05
130 - Matt Walters (ILLINOIS) over Marc Madsen (WYOMING) Dec 7-1,0-6,3-2
135 - Ryan Garringer (ILLINOIS) over Tyler Olson (WYOMING) TF 7-0,7-0
140 - Jared Hatley (WYOMING) over Jake Murphy (ILLINOIS) TF 7-1,2-4,6-0
145 - Daniel Martin (ILLINOIS) over Gerald Wilmoth (WYOMING) Dec 4-4,3-8,7-0
152 - Robert Barbour (ILLINOIS) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf
160 - Sam Wrobel (ILLINOIS) over Scott Boner (WYOMING) 2-5,7-1,Inj
171 - Nick Zager (ILLINOIS) over Matt Gregory (WYOMING) TF 8-0,8-1
189 - Ryan Robinson (ILLINOIS) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf
215 - Stephen Montez (ILLINOIS) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf
275 - Harrison Ford (ILLINOIS) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf

Match #2 Round 2: ILLINOIS defeated MICHIGAN 46-27
84 - Brenan Lyon (MICHIGAN) over Ryan Dix (ILLINOIS) TF 6-0,6-1
91 - Damonte Riley (ILLINOIS) over Tommy Bronsahan (MICHIGAN) TF 7-0,6-0
98 - Max Nowry (ILLINOIS) over Jacob Walters (MICHIGAN) Dec 4-1,7-0
105 - Kent Williams (ILLINOIS) over Paul Hancock (MICHIGAN) TF 5-0,6-0
112 - Ellis Coleman (ILLINOIS) over Nate Falbe (MICHIGAN) TF 6-0,7-0
119 - Lillashawn Coleman (ILLINOIS) over Josh Dormer (MICHIGAN) Dec 6-0,2-5,2-2
125 - Jimmy Chase (ILLINOIS) over Kyle Dalton (MICHIGAN) Pin 1:10
130 - Mark Stenberg (ILLINOIS) over Brian Plummer (MICHIGAN) Dec 4-1,3-2
135 - Justin Barnett (MICHIGAN) over Ryan Garringer (ILLINOIS) Dec 5-4,6-0
140 - Joe Foreman (ILLINOIS) over Kody Witgen (MICHIGAN) TF 6-0,7-0
145 - Mike Curby (MICHIGAN) over Daniel Martin (ILLINOIS) TF 7-0,6-0
152 - Robert Barbour (ILLINOIS) over Nate Beyer (MICHIGAN) Pin 5-5,0:43
160 - Sterling Hecox (ILLINOIS) over Brett Kingsley (MICHIGAN) Dec 1-7,7-0,8-3
171 - Kamron Jackson (MICHIGAN) over Nick Zager (ILLINOIS) Dec 5-2,4-2
189 - Celic Bell (MICHIGAN) over Ryan Robinson (ILLINOIS) TF 6-0,5-0
215 - Marcell DuBose (MICHIGAN) over Ryan Robinson (ILLINOIS) 4-0,Inj
275 - Harrison Ford (ILLINOIS) over Bruce Gumbert (MICHIGAN) Pin 1:01

[Maximus]

:( :( Match #3 Round 3: IOWA defeated ILLINOIS 38-31
84 - Ryan Dix (ILLINOIS) over Jon Skarda (IOWA) Dec 3-0,7-0
91 - Damonte Riley (ILLINOIS) over Wayne Rouse (IOWA) TF 7-0,7-0
98 - Max Nowry (ILLINOIS) over Levi Wolfensperger (IOWA) TF 6-0,7-0
105 - Kent Williams (ILLINOIS) over Trevor Hejhal (IOWA) TF 6-0,6-0
112 - Ellis Coleman (ILLINOIS) over Dylan Carew (IOWA) Dec 3-2,7-2
119 - Matt McDonough (IOWA) over Nathan Fitzenreider (ILLINOIS) Dec 3-0,2-1
125 - Nate Moore (IOWA) over Jimmy Chase (ILLINOIS) Dec 6-1,7-0
130 - Brock Weatherman (IOWA) over Mark Stenberg (ILLINOIS) TF 9-5,7-1
135 - Derek St. John (IOWA) over Ryan Garringer (ILLINOIS) Dec 2-0,7-0
140 - Joe Foreman (ILLINOIS) over Tyler Carew (IOWA) Pin 1:42
145 - Trent Weatherman (IOWA) over Jake Murphy (ILLINOIS) TF 6-0,8-0
152 - TJ Hiatt (IOWA) over Daniel Martin (ILLINOIS) Dec 5-0,6-0
160 - Grant Gambrull (IOWA) over Sam Wrobel (ILLINOIS) Dec 4-4,5-1,4-0
171 - Nick Zager (ILLINOIS) over Derek Nightser (IOWA) Dec 5-2,6-0
189 - Dylan Wrage (IOWA) over Andy Davis (ILLINOIS) Dec 4-1,3-1
215 - Dillon Heesch (IOWA) over Ryan Robinson (ILLINOIS) Pin 0:51
275 - Josh Wilkins (IOWA) over Reginald Reed (ILLINOIS) Pin 1:58

Darn... Team Illinois will beat New York this round. I still think top 4-5 is not out of the question.

[Maximus]

Illinois beats New York and finishes 4-1 in the pool with 2nd place. Championship bracket tomorrow.

Good luck guys:)

[Maximus]

After a brutal championship draw Team Illinois is beating Cali as I type. Team Illinois dropped the first round dual with Pennsylvania's #1,43-29.

California gave Missouri run for their money and a lot of people think Missouri is the team to beat.

Illinois will have Wisconsin in the last round. Wisconsin is yet to be beaten. Which is no surprise. The Cheese-heads were the 2005 Schoolboy Greco National Dual Champs in Indy. They will be tough.

Looks like Ellis Coleman is out as of right now.

[John H]

Illinois beats a tough California team 43-33. California lost to Wisconsin 36-36 on criteria in round one of the Championship bracket. If Illinois can beat Wisconsin they should place second in their pool and will be wrestling for third place in Greco.

[Maximus]

Illinois beats a tough California team 43-33. California lost to Wisconsin 36-36 on criteria in round one of the Championship bracket. If Illinois can beat Wisconsin they should place second in their pool and will be wrestling for third place in Greco.

That is correct and I think they can pull it off too(beating WI). I hope Coleman being out @112 doesn't come back to hurt the team to much.

Speaking of Colemans... how about Lilashawn Coleman's victory over Jordan Oliver(PA) in round one??? Nowry over Thornock(CA) is a big win. I don't think Damonte Riley or Hecox has lost yet. A lot of good things going for this Illinois team.

[oldgrappler112]

why is ellis out, and who is coachig this years team.

[Maximus]

Illinois is just about to beat Wisconsin and will dual Iowa, again, for 3rd/4th place.

Win or lose, great showing for the Illinois kids...

[YoungRef]

4th place in Greco!!! Nice job boys!

[Williams+2]

I heard (thru the grapevine) Ellis Coleman may have had a concussion so he did not wrestle.

Kent Williams moved up from 105 and filled in nicely @ 112 and Pinned CA and beat WI 4-1, 3-1. So it's nice to see that not having Ellis @ 112 didn't "come back to bite us"!

[Maximus]

I heard (thru the grapevine) Ellis Coleman may have had a concussion so he did not wrestle.

Kent Williams moved up from 105 and filled in nicely @ 112 and Pinned CA and beat WI 4-1, 3-1. So it's nice to see that not having Ellis @ 112 didn't "come back to bite us"!

Bumping up at a high level tournament like this is not easy. Those are HUGE wins for Kent Williams and Team Illinopis. Good example of Team Illinois' depth.

Good job Kent:D

[DoubleOT]

Who wrestled at 105 then?

[Williams+2]

Brian Bokoski and Kent Williams had been splitting 105 prior to Ellis being hurt at 112.

[Maximus]

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Freestyle Pool "C"

Pennsylvania #2
Indiana
TEAM ILLINOIS
Missouri
Oklahoma #2
Texas
Washington

Again, I like this draw for our Cadets. Missouri will be very tough and PA's #2 will be solid along with Washington too. I think they can come out of this pool and make the championship pool.

I counted 29 teams in the freestyle tournament... 29!!!

[Maximus]

Pool "C"

Team Illinois:

Round 1) vs. Indiana

Round 2) vs. Washington

Round 3) vs. Bye

Round 4) vs. Oklahoma #2

Round 5) vs. Pennsylvania #2

Round 6) vs. Texas

Round 7) vs. Missouri

[Maximus]

Pool "C"

Team Illinois:

Round 1) vs. Indiana

Round 2) vs. Washington

Round 3) vs. Bye

Round 4) vs. Oklahoma #2

Round 5) vs. Pennsylvania #2

Round 6) vs. Texas

Round 7) vs. Missouri

CORRECTION from trackwrestling

Team Illinois:

Round 1) vs. Indiana

Round 2) vs. Washington

Round 3) vs. Oklahoma #2

Round 4) vs. BYE

Round 5) vs. Pennsylvania #2

Round 6) vs. Texas

Round 7) vs. Missouri

freestyle started at 10am

[John H]

Illinois loses to Indiana. Illinois wins 10 matches to Indiana's 7 matches but for some reason the Illinois kids have a hard time staying off their backs. Especially the bigger kids in the lineup. Illinois should never lose to Indiana in an event like this.....Illinois still has a long way to go in Freestyle, looks like Illinois will be heading to the consolation bracket unless they can beat Missouri and PA 2.

[Maximus]

Illinois loses to Indiana. Illinois wins 10 matches to Indiana's 7 matches but for some reason the Illinois kids have a hard time staying off their backs. Especially the bigger kids in the lineup. Illinois should never lose to Indiana in an event like this.....Illinois still has a long way to go in Freestyle, looks like Illinois will be heading to the consolation bracket unless they can beat Missouri and PA 2.

OMG...:mad:

[Williams+2]

I heard IL had beat IN, but lost next round to WA.

A msitake in scoring in one of the top three weights would shift the score. Can anyone confirm?

[Maximus]

What's the deal with our Cadet FS team??? Where is everybody:confused:

84- No Ryan Dix(FS/GR State champ)

105- No Ryan Jauch(FS State Champ) or Joe Roth(FS runner-up)

140- No Polz(FS State champ/IHSA State Champ)

152- No Larson(FS State Champ), Lucas Roth(FS runner-up) or Dwyer(FS 3rd)

171- No Kendall(FS State Champ) or Fritz(FS State runner-up)

189- No Gonzales(FS State champ)

215- Apland(215 FS State champ) and Reed(???) are spliting matches at 275...

275- ZERO????????? We don't have a 275 for FS?

We're missing 7 Illinois Freestyle State Champs...:eek:

[MR TWISTER]

What is the exact freestyle cadet lineup? I can never get that track wrestling thing to work for me.

[Maximus]

What is the exact freestyle cadet lineup? I can never get that track wrestling thing to work for me.

84- Joe Brown
91- Allen Tate
91- Demaonte Riley
98- Max Nowry
105- Kent Williams
112- Ellis Coleman
119- Lillashawn Coleman
125- Geno Capezio
130- Josh Kratovil
135- Matt Bogess
140- Ryan Garringer
145- Jim Duffy
152- Dan Martin
160- Fred Mosses
171- Nick Zager
189- Ryan Robinson
215- Ben Apland
215- Reginald Reed

[ScoobysMom]

What is the exact freestyle cadet lineup? I can never get that track wrestling thing to work for me.

Indiana vs Illinois
Match Summary IN IL
84
Joe Arthur (Indiana) over Joe Brown (Illinois) Pin 1:16 5.00 0
91
Demaonte Riley (Illinois) over Brandon Nelsen (Indiana) Dec 4-0,2-1 1 3.00
98
Max Nowry (Illinois) over Camden Eppert (Indiana) Dec 6-0,2-3,3-1 1 3.00
105
Kent Williams (Illinois) over Cashe Quiroga (Indiana) Dec 6-1,6-3 1 3.00
112
Ellis Coleman (Illinois) over D.J. Rackley (Indiana) TF 7-0,8-1 1 4.00
119
Lillashawn Coleman (Illinois) over Jeremiah Edwards (Indiana) TF 7-0,6-0 0 4.00
125
Levi Rutledge (Indiana) over Geno Capezio (Illinois) Dec 3-2,5-0 3.00 1
130
Michael Harmon (Indiana) over Josh Kratovil (Illinois) Dec 7-1,4-2 3.00 1
135
Matt Bogess (Illinois) over Brandon Ward (Indiana) Dec 4-0,7-1 1 3.00
140
Ryan Garringer (Illinois) over Kyle Mosier (Indiana) Dec 9-2,6-4 1 3.00
145
Jim Duffy (Illinois) over Briar Runyan (Indiana) Dec 5-0,7-0 0 3.00
152
Cooper Samuels (Indiana) over Dan Martin (Illinois) TF 6-0,6-0 4.00 0
160
Fred Moses (Illinois) over Shelby Mappes (Indiana) Dec 7-1,6-1 1 3.00
171
Nick Zager (Illinois) over Antonio Halbert (Indiana) Dec 3-1,4-0 1 3.00
189
Andrew Szymborski (Indiana) over Ryan Robinson (Illinois) Pin 1:22 5.00 0
215
Chandler Coffey (Indiana) over Ben Apland (Illinois) Pin 3-12,1:20 5.00 0
275
Sam Johnson (Indiana) over Reginald Reed (Illinois) Pin 10-3,0:44 5.00 0
Dual Meet Score 38.0
34.0

Illinois vs Washington
Match Summary IL WA
84
Steven Romero (Washington) over Joe Brown (Illinois) Pin 3-1,0:16 0 5.00
91
Nick Burnham (Washington) over Demaonte Riley (Illinois) Dec 0-4,7-0,1-0 1 3.00
98
Max Nowry (Illinois) over Kenny Sanders (Washington) Dec 7-4,1-0 3.00 1
105
Isaac Romero (Washington) over Kent Williams (Illinois) Dec 3-0,7-3 1 3.00
112
Ellis Coleman (Illinois) over Jim Belleville (Washington) Pin 7-0,0:48 5.00 0
119
Derek Garcia (Washington) over Lillashawn Coleman (Illinois) Pin 6-3,1:19 0 5.00
125
CJ Thompson (Washington) over Geno Capezio (Illinois) Dec 0-7,3-1,5-1 1 3.00
130
Josh Kratovil (Illinois) over Brandon Leliefeld (Washington) Dec 8-0,4-4,5-0 3.00 1
135
Matt Bogess (Illinois) over Eric Jones (Washington) Dec 6-3,1-5,4-0 3.00 1
140
Ryan Garringer (Illinois) over Chris Sweet (Washington) Dec 7-6,6-0 3.00 1
145
Jim Duffy (Illinois) over Ryan Jorgensen (Washington) Dec 5-0,3-1 3.00 1
152
Cody Miller (Washington) over Dan Martin (Illinois) Dec 5-2,4-3 1 3.00
160
Zach Folden (Washington) over Fred Moses (Illinois) TF 3-8,7-0,7-1 1 4.00
171
Reid Chivers (Washington) over Nick Zager (Illinois) TF 6-0,6-0 0 4.00
189
Tim Hester (Washington) over Ryan Robinson (Illinois) Forf 0 5.00
215
David Gay (Washington) over Reginald Reed (Illinois) Dec 0-7,4-1,7-4 1 3.00
275
Ben Apland (Illinois) over Dane Tilley (Washington) Dec 3-1,1-1 3.00 1
Dual Meet Score 29.0
44.0
Illinois vs Oklahoma 2
Match Summary IL OK
84
Joe Brown (Illinois) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 5.00 0
91
Demaonte Riley (Illinois) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 5.00 0
98
Max Nowry (Illinois) over Chase Garrison (Oklahoma 2) Pin 0:47 5.00 0
105
Kent Williams (Illinois) over Cody Biesel (Oklahoma 2) TF 7-1,7-0 4.00 1
112
Ellis Coleman (Illinois) over Derek Steeley (Oklahoma 2) Pin 2-9,7-0,1:10 5.00 0
119
Lillashawn Coleman (Illinois) over Heath Jackson (Oklahoma 2) 1-7,5-0,Inj 5.00 0
125
Richard Immel (Oklahoma 2) over Geno Capezio (Illinois) Dec 1-4,1-1,3-1 1 3.00
130
Josh Kratovil (Illinois) over Sam Wolfenberger (Oklahoma 2) Dec 4-0,7-1 3.00 1
135
Matt Bogess (Illinois) over Cameron Armstrong (Oklahoma 2) TF 7-0,6-0 4.00 0
140
Cody Duncan (Oklahoma 2) over Ryan Garringer (Illinois) Dec 3-2,3-1 1 3.00
145
Jim Duffy (Illinois) over Alfonso Cosme (Oklahoma 2) Inj 5.00 0
152
John Heffley (Oklahoma 2) over Dan Martin (Illinois) 8-0,Inj 0 5.00
160
David Ratcliff (Oklahoma 2) over Fred Moses (Illinois) Pin 0-6,0:32 0 5.00
171
John Ben Seidner (Oklahoma 2) over Nick Zager (Illinois) Dec 1-0,2-0 0 3.00
189
Parker Carpenter (Oklahoma 2) over Ryan Robinson (Illinois) Forf 0 5.00
215
Reginald Reed (Illinois) over Unknown (Unattached) Forf 5.00 0
275
Ben Apland (Illinois) over Joe Lyons (Oklahoma 2) Pin 1:20 5.00 0
Dual Meet Score 53.0
26.0

Joe Brown 1-2
Damonte Riley 2-1
Max Nowry 3-0
Kent Williams 2-1
Ellis Coleman 3-0
Lillashawn Colemane 2-1
Geno capezio 0-3
Josh Kratovil 2-1
Matt Boggess 3-0
Ryan Garringer 2-1
Jim Duffy 3-0
Dan Martin 0-3
Fred Moses 1-2
Nick Zager 1-2
Ryan Robinson 0-3
Reginald Reed 1-2
Ben Appland 2-1

[DawgeatDawg2]

What's the deal with our Cadet FS team??? Where is everybody:confused:

84- No Ryan Dix(FS/GR State champ)

105- No Ryan Jauch(FS State Champ) or Joe Roth(FS runner-up)

140- No Polz(FS State champ/IHSA State Champ)

152- No Larson(FS State Champ), Lucas Roth(FS runner-up) or Dwyer(FS 3rd)

171- No Kendall(FS State Champ) or Fritz(FS State runner-up)

189- No Gonzales(FS State champ)

215- Apland(215 FS State champ) and Reed(???) are spliting matches at 275...

275- ZERO????????? We don't have a 275 for FS?

We're missing 7 Illinois Freestyle State Champs...:eek:

Hey Max, just for fun, here the line-up I would have taken.

84-R. Dix

91-D. Riley

98-BJ Futrell & M. Nowry

105-R. Jaunch

112-T. Ramos & E. Coleman

119-J. Kratovil

125-J. Bybee & J. Capezio

130-M.Boggess

135-C. Polz

140-J. Duffy & T. Miller

145-E. Larson

152-L. Roth

160-Fritz

171-Kendell

189-R. Robinson & Gonzales

215-B. Apland & R. Reed

275-Springer

does anyone have a better line-up

[canttouchthis76]

Hey Max, just for fun, here the line-up I would have taken.

84-R. Dix

91-D. Riley

98-BJ Futrell & M. Nowry

105-R. Jaunch

112-T. Ramos & E. Coleman

119-J. Kratovil

125-J. Bybee & J. Capezio

130-M.Boggess

135-C. Polz

140-J. Duffy & T. Miller

145-E. Larson

152-L. Roth

160-Fritz

171-Kendell

189-R. Robinson & Gonzales

215-B. Apland

275-R. Reed

does anyone have a better line-up

i think fritz would have some trouble making 160.....
i would bring reed along as a 2nd 215 and put andy springer in at HWT.

[DawgeatDawg2]

i think fritz would have some trouble making 160.....
i would bring reed along as a 2nd 215 and put andy springer in at HWT.

That would work. Could Kendell make 160.

[Williams+2]

Kratovil may not have been able to make 119 either, he wrestled 130 @ State.

[DawgeatDawg2]

Kratovil may not have been able to make 119 either, he wrestled 130 @ State.

He was at 119 last week at the disney duals, But thats OK anyway because J. Bybee could still make 119 if he wanted and then put Josh at 125.

[raslindad]

I thought BJ and Ramos were both wrestling with the Junior Duel Team??? Would they have been able to wrestle on both?

[Maximus]

Hey Max, just for fun, here the line-up I would have taken.

I don't want to start any kind of negative post and disrespect our freestyle team who is there. They are warriors in their own right. This dual tournamnet is one tough tournamnet loaded with great freestyle wrestlers. These USAW Duals(Schoolboys,Cadets,Juniors) are brutal with just outstanding competition.

With that being said, I like the idea of the team being filled with our FS state champs. I thought that's what we were sending and I had HIGH, HIGH expectations especially after the greco tournamnet. Along with our FS State Champs you need to fill in with our top talent that didn't/couldn't compete(like Jeff-injury?) at FS/GR State.

It's real simple, take your FS/GR State Champs, your studs who were unable to wrestle at the state tournemants and go fight the rest of the country. Look at our Greco team. For the most part, that was our GR State Champs.

I would be curious as to know who was asked and who declined the feestyle Team Illinois.

[DawgeatDawg2]

I don't want to start any kind of negative post and disrespect our freestyle team who is there. They are warriors in their own right. This dual tournamnet is one tough tournamnet loaded with great freestyle wrestlers. These USAW Duals(Schoolboys,Cadets,Juniors) are brutal with just outstanding competition.

With that being said, I like the idea of the team being filled with our FS state champs. I thought that's what we were sending and I had HIGH, HIGH expectations especially after the greco tournamnet. Along with our FS State Champs you need to fill in with our top talent that didn't/couldn't compete(like Jeff-injury?) at FS/GR State.

It's real simple, take your FS/GR State Champs, your studs who were unable to wrestle at the state tournemants and go fight the rest of the country. Look at our Greco team. For the most part, that was our GR State Champs.

I would be curious as to know who was asked and who declined the feestyle Team Illinois.

I know most of the kids there very well, but your probably right, this could turn negative fast.

[Radical]

I don't want to start any kind of negative post and disrespect our freestyle team who is there. They are warriors in their own right. This dual tournamnet is one tough tournamnet loaded with great freestyle wrestlers. These USAW Duals(Schoolboys,Cadets,Juniors) are brutal with just outstanding competition.

With that being said, I like the idea of the team being filled with our FS state champs. I thought that's what we were sending and I had HIGH, HIGH expectations especially after the greco tournamnet. Along with our FS State Champs you need to fill in with our top talent that didn't/couldn't compete(like Jeff-injury?) at FS/GR State.

It's real simple, take your FS/GR State Champs, your studs who were unable to wrestle at the state tournemants and go fight the rest of the country. Look at our Greco team. For the most part, that was our GR State Champs.

I would be curious as to know who was asked and who declined the feestyle Team Illinois.

At the junior level some of the FR and GR state champs weren't even asked to participate. I suspect it was the same at the Cadet level. That doesn't make the selection process wrong. Some of us just want to know what it is and who is making the selections.

[SouthsideCoach]

At the junior level some of the FR and GR state champs weren't even asked to participate. I suspect it was the same at the Cadet level. That doesn't make the selection process wrong. Some of us just want to know what it is and who is making the selections.

If you look at to a previous thread, it might have even been this one, I asked if the process of putting together the team was political. It seems like a lot of kids are being put on the team because of the buddy system. Now, I'm not complaining because thats how the world works and you'd be a fool to disagree, but I'm just saying that "SOME" of the choices are a little suspect. For example, there were 5 kids at 215/275 for Cadet GR, why???? and no backup for the eventually injured Coleman (who is wrestling both styles). Those are good questions, that we all know the answer to and don't have to say.

[DawgeatDawg2]

It is an exstreamly political and covert operation, but you know what, wrestling on the the dual team does not make or break a good wrestler. What makes a wrestler in-season is Champaign, what makes or breaks a wrestler in the off-season is FILA JR, FILA Cadet, and Fargo. The kids that are wrestling right now had nothing to do with the politics, there all good kids and lets hope they win them all. If anyone wants to challenge the system, thats ok but right now is bad timing just like Maximus previously stated.

[THROWM]

SouthsideCoach your 112 pounder, while he is good, was not taken to the greco duals for a reason and if you wanted to get an explanation you should have asked the coaches, at the camp practice last week, instead of promoting some bogus conspiracy theory on the internet. The dual team capacity says that they cannot take alternates at every weight and there was already an alternate at 105 and an alternate at 119 and it would not be a smart strategy to take an alternate at three consecutive weight classes. By the way, the two guys at 105 really stepped it up and showed that it was a good decision!

Also there was definitely not 5 guys taken at 215/275 and once again I think you should have talked to the coaches about that if you had a question.

All in all the greco kids did awesome and second guessing the team choice really takes away from what they did. Thats just my opinion.

[Williams+2]

My son was asked to wrestle on the Greco Team immediately following the finals @ State. He was not asked to wrestle on the Freestyle Team. I can only assume and understand he wasn't asked because he did not place at State.

No conspiracy; the Greco Duals coaches were asking the palce winners if they were interested in being on the Team immediately following the finals. I'm not sure how the Freestyle team was selected.

However once at Greco Duals my son was asked to stay for Freestyle to fill a hole at 105. I don't know who was originally scheduled at that spot.

[Maximus]

For what it's worth here's my take on ALL the FS/GR Team Illinois memebers...

At the Schoolboy level State Champs have first rights for the spot. It seems to work best because at that age most of the kids are still new to FS/GR and other then Northern Plains, at the Novice age, there's really no way to judge their FS/GR skills. Basically FS and GR State is the only chance to prove your worth as a freestyle/greco-guy and make the team.

At the Cadet level the kids are starting to be known in the wrestling community and team selection is the way to go. But, that selection process should also be preformance based. Just because your an IHSA "AA" medalist doesn't mean you have first rights on Team Illinois(FS or GR). It should help, but you still should have to prove your a solid freestyler/greco-guy too. Cadets can now wrestle in USAW Regional events, FILA Cadets, and IL States to prove their talents against the rest of their in state competition. Again, FS/GR should not be the only determining factor but, at the Cadet level it's one of the only times you will see head-to-head competition and that should count for something.

At the Junior level selecting the team is the only way to go. By now the top kids are well known for their folk,free, and greco skills. This is why Team Illinois coaches "get paid the big bucks":) . Selecting the best line-up is now possible and it's their responsibilty to make the right picks. FS/GR state tournament preformances are not even required. Altho, it takes away for the actual state tournament, it's not a must for these guys. For example, is there any doubt Albert White, BJ, Mikey B, or Ty Clark shouldn't be on the team??? No brainers. Maybe a little more political but I figure the best kids are being selected so it must be working. I know Mr. Reynolds wants to win. Bormet wants to wins and you just have to trust they are selecting the best kids out there.

[butcher89]

What weight is Tony Ramos wrestling on Junior dual team? Why is he needed on that team when Clayton Rush is 112? Illinois would have been better having him on Cadet team.

[Jaguar]

Tony Ramos is not wrestling on either team. He is going to Russia the last I knew. BJ Futrell is on the Junior team.

[BARR]

Illinois lost to Missouri 39-35. Illinois won 9 matches to Missouri's 8, but Missouri had 3 pins and recieved 1 forfeit. Illinois had 1 pin. So the consolation bracket it is. That is 2 duals they lost even though they won more matches. Hopefully they will do some damage in the consolation bracket.

[Maximus]

Illinois lost to Missouri 39-35. Illinois won 9 matches to Missouri's 8, but Missouri had 3 pins and recieved 1 forfeit. Illinois had 1 pin. So the consolation bracket it is. That is 2 duals they lost even though they won more matches. Hopefully they will do some damage in the consolation bracket.

Unreal... twice! 5 points is a huge number at these duals. They add up WAY to fast. Nice to see our guys still fighting.

The consolation bracket will be tough too. Would love to see them win that.

[SouthsideCoach]

SouthsideCoach your 112 pounder, while he is good, was not taken to the greco duals for a reason and if you wanted to get an explanation you should have asked the coaches, at the camp practice last week, instead of promoting some bogus conspiracy theory on the internet. The dual team capacity says that they cannot take alternates at every weight and there was already an alternate at 105 and an alternate at 119 and it would not be a smart strategy to take an alternate at three consecutive weight classes. By the way, the two guys at 105 really stepped it up and showed that it was a good decision!

Also there was definitely not 5 guys taken at 215/275 and once again I think you should have talked to the coaches about that if you had a question.

All in all the greco kids did awesome and second guessing the team choice really takes away from what they did. Thats just my opinion.

First of all I don't have a 112 pounder that is wrestling this summer but I know the guy who is coaching the kid I think you are referring to and he told me that he wasn't allowed to go to the duals because the team was to full. he understood why but I don't. You can't tell me that there are NO politics with who goes and who doesn't. Mabye I should have gone to the practice and asked the coaches but I don't have any kids wrestling on the team so it wasn't that big of a deal. but don't sit here and ack like no politics are invloved. by the way... there were 4 or 5 different names at 215 and 275

[DawgeatDawg2]

First of all I don't have a 112 pounder that is wrestling this summer but I know the guy who is coaching the kid I think you are referring to and he told me that he wasn't allowed to go to the duals because the team was to full. he understood why but I don't. You can't tell me that there are NO politics with who goes and who doesn't. Mabye I should have gone to the practice and asked the coaches but I don't have any kids wrestling on the team so it wasn't that big of a deal. but don't sit here and ack like no politics are invloved. by the way... there were 4 or 5 different names at 215 and 275

Many of the dual coaches are straight-up but are unfortunately victims of the political process themselves. I think that may be what you are running into here SouthsideCoach.

[wrestlingisthebest]

I don't know how they select the teams. But I do know that my son was asked to be on the Junior Greco Team after the Greco State Championships (which he did win) and then was called again a week later. Unfortunately, due to previous commitments, schedule, etc., he could not participate this year. Looking at the team members posted in another thread, some of them are the Greco State Champs, some took 2nd place and some were not even listed. So your guess is as good as the next person's as to how they select the Dual Teams.

[119Fan]

Illinois wins first round in Consolation bracket over Ohio and is leading Wisconsin in second round with five matches to go.

[YoungRef]

Cadet freestyle drops a close one to Kanas 1 and is now out.

[Maximus]

Cadet freestyle drops a close one to Kanas 1 and is now out.

...and Pennsylvania continues to blow everyone away. They haven't had a close dual yet.

Who coached the Team Illinois freestyle???

[THROWM]

Southsidecoach you confuse me. First on another thread last Thursday you said . . .

"I went to the practices and they have a SOLID Greco team, top to bottom"

Then two days later you get on here and say. . .

"Mabye I should have gone to the practice"

First off you say that the team looks really solid and that you think that they will do well and then you go on some conspiracy laden tirade about how kids are being chosen. Oh and by the way I can sit here and tell you that the kids for that team were not chosen for political reasons.

and if this is true . . ."I don't have any kids wrestling on the team" . . . then why did you say . . . "I went to the practices and they have a SOLID Greco team, top to bottom" . . . if a person has nobody on the team why would they go to the practices. . . hmmmmm sounds fishy.

As far as the 215/275 thing goes. . . the 189 pounders and the 215 pounders were moved around a lot to give the team the best shot at winning.

Oh well enough of this negativity. . .Good luck to the Junior F/S and Greco Teams. They should be pretty tough to beat for any team!

[SouthsideCoach]

Southsidecoach you confuse me. First on another thread last Thursday you said . . .

"I went to the practices and they have a SOLID Greco team, top to bottom"

Then two days later you get on here and say. . .

"Mabye I should have gone to the practice"

First off you say that the team looks really solid and that you think that they will do well and then you go on some conspiracy laden tirade about how kids are being chosen. Oh and by the way I can sit here and tell you that the kids for that team were not chosen for political reasons.

and if this is true . . ."I don't have any kids wrestling on the team" . . . then why did you say . . . "I went to the practices and they have a SOLID Greco team, top to bottom" . . . if a person has nobody on the team why would they go to the practices. . . hmmmmm sounds fishy.

As far as the 215/275 thing goes. . . the 189 pounders and the 215 pounders were moved around a lot to give the team the best shot at winning.

Oh well enough of this negativity. . .Good luck to the Junior F/S and Greco Teams. They should be pretty tough to beat for any team!


Once again, you seem to be really sensitive to this issue. I said I went to practices and no I didn't talk to any of the coaches. Second, mabye my son is on the team, or I know a couple of the kids from my area hmmmmmmmmm.............. but thats just a thought. Theres nothing fishy about not having backups at the right spots. Example, at 112 where you have a kid who is cutting serious weight, and wrestling both styles. You must be one of the coaches and if not then I don't know why you're getting so sensitive. Please don't sit here and think that nothing that goes on is political. I was just making a statement and if thats too much for you to handle then stay off the forum.

[SouthsideCoach]

...and Pennsylvania continues to blow everyone away. They haven't had a close dual yet.

Who coached the Team Illinois freestyle???

Griff Powell (Great Coach!!)

[AA Coach]

Southcoach I hear you... Anyone who pretends their are no politics involved needs to have their heads examined. Illinois produces a quality team that is well coached, but lets not try to pretend these things do not go on.

[MR TWISTER]

Almost everything in Illinois wrestling involves some form of politics. Someone said both Mr Reynolds and Mr Bormet want to win. Now that is a true statement. I don't know about the past (except the last 2 years) but they have been planning this years junior team for a long time. I expect this team will do Illinois very proud.

[THROWM]

southsidecoach you don't have to be one of the coaches to understand how rediculus you sound with your double talk...

"I went to the practices..."
"Mabye I should have gone to the practice..."
"I don't have any kids wrestling on the team..."
"Maybe my son is on the team, or I know a couple of the kids..."

Lets just drop it and focus our attention on the Juniors who are starting in the next couple days.

[so-ill]

My son was asked to be on the team minutes after winning state.

He didn't go because for the 1ST time in 6 years we put a family event before wrestling. Was Illinois hurt by that? Yes! .............but sometimes families are more important!

While it wasn't the case for my son I know one kid that didn't go because of money but was too proud or shy to ask.

If illinois would cover more of the cost this wouldn't be a problem. I would gladly pay an extra $10 at the qaulifier and at state for each style to support a national team.

[SouthsideCoach]

southsidecoach you don't have to be one of the coaches to understand how rediculus you sound with your double talk...

"I went to the practices..."
"Mabye I should have gone to the practice..."
"I don't have any kids wrestling on the team..."
"Maybe my son is on the team, or I know a couple of the kids..."

Lets just drop it and focus our attention on the Juniors who are starting in the next couple
days.

you're killing me with this. you take fragments of my comments and try to say I'm contradicting myself. my god.... the point I'm making is that there is politics and you seem to think that there isn't . so we will just leave it at that.

[Radical]

Almost everything in Illinois wrestling involves some form of politics. Someone said both Mr Reynolds and Mr Bormet want to win. Now that is a true statement. I don't know about the past (except the last 2 years) but they have been planning this years junior team for a long time. I expect this team will do Illinois very proud.


I can't think of a kids sport or activity that doesn't involve some form of politics. The politics in wrestling seem minimal to the other sports my kids have participated in.

The state FS and GR champs were not necessarily the best wrestlers. The coaches should have some discretion to choose the team. If people view this as political thats too bad. The coaches are voluntaring their time, they have chosen a talented group of kids and we wish them the best of luck. GO ILLINOIS!!!!

[MR TWISTER]

I can't think of a kids sport or activity that doesn't involve some form of politics. The politics in wrestling seem minimal to the other sports my kids have participated in.

The state FS and GR champs were not necessarily the best wrestlers. The coaches should have some discretion to choose the team. If people view this as political thats too bad. The coaches are voluntaring their time, they have chosen a talented group of kids and we wish them the best of luck. GO ILLINOIS!!!!

I really agree with this post. The state champ is not always the best fit for a dual team situation. The coaches will lean towards the wrestlers that they feel can and have performed the best on the national stage. Wait and see how the team does, especially the junior freestyle team. If the team is not competitive or very weak then we should worry about the selection process. I doubt if that wil be the case this year.