George Nemeth Tournament

[SouthernGrapplingFan]

I attended this tournament on saturday and I have but one thing to comment on it. THIS WAS THE WORST TOURNAMENT I HAVE EVER ATTENDED. I over heard many visiting teams comment on how poorly ran the tourny was and how they will not be attending in the following years. If you were not there let me fill you in,

1. there is the famous "blind" draw that no school is allowed to see but always seems to favor the HOSTING school

2. when do freestyle falls actually count in folksyle wrestling, isnt there supposed to be atleast a 1 count before the fall? there was one refree that had no clue what he was doing out on the mat,

3. the wrestle backs were horrible. I watched all day and noticed several kids wrestling there second round wrestle backs against the same kid that they wrestled in the first round of the tournament. I thought there was a thing called cross bracketing. how hard is it to get a computer system to run the brackets off on. The John Davis tourny the weekend prior had more teams, ran smoother, had no problems, and was done quicker.

4. the tournament had 11 teams and hardly any teams had full line ups and it started at like 9 and didnt get over untill 6 O'CLOCK.


If anyone disagrees or feels the same way please tell so i know if i was day dreaming or not.

[grapple44]

If you knew what u were talking about, then u would know that the John Davis tour. didn't cross bracket either. One mat makes a big differnce as how long the tournament takes to complete. We had 3 mats the edw. tour. had 4. And if there is any team that wants to get out, I sure haven't heard it.

[so-ill]

This is my 5th time at this tourney and while it wasn't the best of the 5 it was still good.

The first match started at 9:53 by the way. This was a topic of disscusion among several coaches from different teams.

The level of wrestling was great and the refs were good also.

In the losers bracket kids were randomly placed. I witnessed this being done in one bracket. Lets stick to a strict format next year!!

I know one mid place team had at least 8 bies in the first round. I would like to know how many each team had. IF the top placing teams had few in the first round they had more team scoring opportunities.

As far as some teams not having full line ups when they did the last time you wrestled them. Weigh ins at tourney site vs. weigh ins by the team at home. Some kids for some reason can't make weight at tourneys but can do it every time for home duels.

[patriot17]

A Triad wrestler severely broke his ankle on mat 1 which held the tournamnet to 2 mats for a period of time. Any comments on the 122 championship bout and the single leg flip in the air counter? WOW.

[Southern_Hospitality]

If you knew what u were talking about, then u would know that the John Davis tour. didn't cross bracket either. One mat makes a big differnce as how long the tournament takes to complete. We had 3 mats the edw. tour. had 4. And if there is any team that wants to get out, I sure haven't heard it.

I hate to argue with you, but the John Davis tournament did cross bracket the quarterfinal losers. Also, I was thinking isn't there enough room for a second mat in that other gym.

[grapple44]

I have a bracket right here in front of me and the first round losers drop straight down and so do the semi final losers. So that means 2 kids can still see each other again before the placement matches. Our tournament will be cross bracketed from now on. You will not see someone u have already wrestled until the placement matches. There were mistakes and that was my fault. The wrong losers brackets got placed in the folders some how.

[Southern_Hospitality]

I have a bracket right here in front of me and the first round losers drop straight down and so do the semi final losers. So that means 2 kids can still see each other again before the placement matches. Our tournament will be cross bracketed from now on. You will not see someone u have already wrestled until the placement matches. There were mistakes and that was my fault. The wrong losers brackets got placed in the folders some how.


In the John Davis, the quaterfinal losers got cross bracketed, but them semifinal loser didn't. If you want proof just look at 138, the person Robinson beat (the Alton kid) in the 1st round didn't face him again until the 3rd place match (lost to same Alton kid he beat 1st round) so I am just asking how that was possible if John Davis didn't do cross bracKeting.

[grapple44]

take a look at 108. They faced each other first round and then again in the consolation semis

[Southern_Hospitality]

take a look at 108. They faced each other first round and then again in the consolation semis


Like I said earlier, only the quarterfinal losers were cross bracketed and the semifinal losers were not.

[GrappleFan1]

take a look at 108. They faced each other first round and then again in the consolation semis

After looking at the Jon Davis brackets, there was a crossover done in every case for the second round loser (as SH has already pointed out). In a 16 man bracket, with full wrestlebacks there is no CONSISTANT way to avoid the situation you described. You have 3 rounds to do the cross bracket. If you cross round 1, then the losers of round 2 and round 3 could meet. If you cross round 3 then round 1 losers and round 2 losers could meet early in the consolations. You hope that doing a good job of seeding along with the cross bracket from the quarters REDUCES the probability of two wrestlers meeting twice before a place match.

What would you suggest? Decide when to or not depending on the results of the consolation bracket so that two wresters never meet? That's a choice a tournament director can make, but raises another set of issues. I hardly see how this addresses the issues that the first poster raised. (One also wonders if you would have had an issue if the Grigsby wrestler had won the second match)

Bottom line is take the criticism of the Nemeth tournament without getting defensive, maybe there is room to improve.

[Southern_Hospitality]

A Triad wrestler severely broke his ankle on mat 1 which held the tournamnet to 2 mats for a period of time. Any comments on the 122 championship bout and the single leg flip in the air counter? WOW.

I hope the Triad wrestler is doing okay!

Are you talking about Greggerson? First, I would like to point out that Greggerson is a class act and is a very special wrestler. I enjoy watching him wrestle. While it was a good move and wow the fans, your always going have people question if it that move was really neccessary.