wrestler's may compete for club and school in 2012

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Originally Posted by Fan of IESA Wrestling

Another thing I notice about the new rule based on the way the information is written on the IESA website is that a school could still not allow the wrestlers to wrestle club and school. It says something about it being a local decision. My guess is that means schools could still not allow it. It will be interesting to see if there are schools that still say their wrestlers can't do both at the same time. Hope the change doesn't lead to burnout. What would happen if a local school says no but a kid still wrestles club at the same time? Violation of local policy I guess...

My guess is there are as many (if not more) Jr highs that wrestle both Jr High and IKWF already. They just don't join the IESA. My guess is this may actually ENCOURAGE schools to now add wrestling in to their IESA membership, and for the IKWF, its a win because there now will be more Sr division wrestlers!

Where I think the problem lies- IF they have to choose which state series they wrestle in, will a Jr High coach be happy to see 75% of his studs leave the team to wrestle IKWF? Or vice versa, will a club coach be happy to see some seniors go IESA?

I do think it puts to rest the IESA/IKWF discussion, AND it allows these IESA kids to come to some of the elite IKWF tournaments and show their stuff!

[casper11]

What people are forgetting is that the iesa has a match limit. My son only had, I believe 4, matches left or he would have had too many for the state series. I believe there is a maximum number of tournaments as well. Could anyone clarify..

[new2wrestling]

Originally Posted by Fan of IESA Wrestling

Not enough school teams enter the IESA state series to warrant going to two classes. Roughly 140 schools enter the state series. By splitting there would be about 70 schools per class...travel would become a big issue for some areas if there were two classes.

I'm not sure how travel would become an issue if they split the classes? You could still wrestle the same teams in dual meets regardless of their class. I don't think it would be that hard to find central locations for Regionals and Sectionals. The one class system works fine and probably should be left alone. I just don't think travel is the issue for not splitting them.

I think one of the issues I see with this is the whole match limits thing. If the IESA is going to allow kids to do both then they should eliminate the match limits, dual meet limits, and tournament limits within IESA schools. It's not fair to kids who might not have access to do both IKWF and IESA and once you open it up there isn't anyway to track how many total matches a kid has.

[Fan of IESA Wrestling]

Originally Posted by casper11

What people are forgetting is that the iesa has a match limit. My son only had, I believe 4, matches left or he would have had too many for the state series. I believe there is a maximum number of tournaments as well. Could anyone clarify..

I checked with the IESA Office on this. Individuals in IESA have a match limitation of 37 matches. Only the school team has a tournament limitation. Individuals do not. Individuals could wrestle in 10 tournaments if they wanted as long as they didn't exceed 37 matches. The new rule that gives the schools the decision making power as to whether or not students can wrestle school and club at the same time will not have any bearing on the 37 match limitation. IESA's 37 individual match limitation is for school matches only. I would urge anyone that has a question about all of this to contact the IESA Office rather than ask the question here and perhaps receive the wrong interpretation. Further, and this was explained by the Office, we shouldn't assume that wrestlers wil be able to simply go and wrestle non-school at the same time. The decision as to whether students can wrestle both at the same time is now simply with the school and not IESA. It is possible a school might prohibit this so we all will need to check with our individual schools to find out if they are allowing it. Personally, I really don't want my wrestlers doing both because of the increase of injuries and burnout.

[Fan of IESA Wrestling]

Originally Posted by new2wrestling

I'm not sure how travel would become an issue if they split the classes? You could still wrestle the same teams in dual meets regardless of their class. I don't think it would be that hard to find central locations for Regionals and Sectionals. The one class system works fine and probably should be left alone. I just don't think travel is the issue for not splitting them.

I think one of the issues I see with this is the whole match limits thing. If the IESA is going to allow kids to do both then they should eliminate the match limits, dual meet limits, and tournament limits within IESA schools. It's not fair to kids who might not have access to do both IKWF and IESA and once you open it up there isn't anyway to track how many total matches a kid has.

Of course during the regular season schools can wrestle any school team regardless of enrollment. But, a 2 class system in the state series would certainly cause some schools more travel because the schools are spread out more. From what I have been told, the main reason for not splitting is simple numbers. There simply are not enough teams in the state series to warrant splitting into two classes....and if they did split, then travel does become an issue.

[Uniteordie]

Originally Posted by Fan of IESA Wrestling

I checked with the IESA Office on this. Individuals in IESA have a match limitation of 37 matches. Only the school team has a tournament limitation. Individuals do not. Individuals could wrestle in 10 tournaments if they wanted as long as they didn't exceed 37 matches. The new rule that gives the schools the decision making power as to whether or not students can wrestle school and club at the same time will not have any bearing on the 37 match limitation. IESA's 37 individual match limitation is for school matches only. I would urge anyone that has a question about all of this to contact the IESA Office rather than ask the question here and perhaps receive the wrong interpretation. Further, and this was explained by the Office, we shouldn't assume that wrestlers wil be able to simply go and wrestle non-school at the same time. The decision as to whether students can wrestle both at the same time is now simply with the school and not IESA. It is possible a school might prohibit this so we all will need to check with our individual schools to find out if they are allowing it. Personally, I really don't want my wrestlers doing both because of the increase of injuries and burnout.

I don't believe there are more injuries in the Ikwf vs Iesa. Also, the biggest positive in thus situation if for odd weight wrestlers. I.e. a 100lb 6th grader won't have to beat out the 8th grader to wrestle. He can just go wrestle kids around his age.

[new2wrestling]

Originally Posted by Fan of IESA Wrestling

I checked with the IESA Office on this. Individuals in IESA have a match limitation of 37 matches. Only the school team has a tournament limitation. Individuals do not. Individuals could wrestle in 10 tournaments if they wanted as long as they didn't exceed 37 matches. The new rule that gives the schools the decision making power as to whether or not students can wrestle school and club at the same time will not have any bearing on the 37 match limitation. IESA's 37 individual match limitation is for school matches only. I would urge anyone that has a question about all of this to contact the IESA Office rather than ask the question here and perhaps receive the wrong interpretation. Further, and this was explained by the Office, we shouldn't assume that wrestlers wil be able to simply go and wrestle non-school at the same time. The decision as to whether students can wrestle both at the same time is now simply with the school and not IESA. It is possible a school might prohibit this so we all will need to check with our individual schools to find out if they are allowing it. Personally, I really don't want my wrestlers doing both because of the increase of injuries and burnout.

Thanks for the clarification!! I really don't see this decision having a huge impact at all unless the IKWF or the IESA would change their State Series dates. As a coach if someone from the IKWF asks to wrestle on your team you're are going to require them to wrestle IESA State. I see it as the opportunity for some IESA kids to get some extra matches on Sunday.

IMOP the IESA should eliminate the individual and tournament totals, their decision has opened the door for kids to get quite a few more matches so what does it matter where they wrestle their 50 matches or how many tournaments they are in. Just an opinion.

[PapaBearSLIM]

There will be a lot of kids that can't crack the starting IESA line up getting matches as well as some IESA studs sharpening their skills and seeking challenges in IKWF tournaments. I can envision a lot of good but not great IKWF kids opting for the IESA state series to get what they may think is a more realistic shot at a state medal and/or title.

The IKWF state duals just got more interesting as I'm sure their will be some rent-a-studs from the IESA in the mix.

The biggest advantage for all will be the the practices/training/additional partners available for kids in both the IESA/IKWF.

[knowledge keeper]

Originally Posted by PapaBearSLIM

The biggest advantage for all will be the the practices/training/additional partners available for kids in both the IESA/IKWF.

Papa Bear, You have hit the nail on the head!! Knew we could finally agree

[Coach A]

Regrdless of challenge IESA vs. IKWF, I'm willing to bet that choosing a state series will depend upon how many studs a team has and if they have a legit shot at a team trophy. If you have 5 or 6 guys that are state finals caliber kids, as an IESA coach I'd try to convice them that a school state title could be in the works, and a trophy in the case with there name on it forever might be important to them. Other than that, if you only have 1 or 2 kids in that group, they may go where they feel it's most competitive. Then again, with the new rule, 5 or 6 medaling may not get you a trophy, you may need more than that now.