Olympic wrestling thread...

[aaafan]

Originally Posted by Greenskin

Then you are saying it's a performance enhancing drug because it allows you to play with less pain? You're right...it controls anxiety so well people smoke it all day and do nothing constructive. It may not be addictive but has been shown to be habit forming. Why do people feel the need to defend this drug?

Why do folks defend this drug? Well.....anytime anyone nowadays breaks a rule or law, they have a justification, which is more pleasing than personal accountability. Until the law is changed, abide by it or pay the consequences.

[Greenskin]

Originally Posted by canttouchthis76

It is illegal, and it contains compounds which have mind altering properties.

Controlled substance? Like I said, no more controlled than sweet corn or wildflowers. It's a plant, growing out of soil, not some chemical cooked up in a lab.

I really don't want to get into an argument. Heroin comes from poppies. LSD from wheat rust. Psilocyben comes from magic mushrooms. Cocaine comes from cocoa leaves. Do you consider any of those controlled substances?

[tilt]

Originally Posted by Greenskin

In response to Tilt's view of the committee's attempt to policing morals, I am curious as to what you think of the Greek triple jumper who just got booted off the team for tweeting a racial comment...."With so many Africans in Greece...at least the West Nile mosquitos will eat homemade food!!!" Yahoo 7/25/12

That is a moral policing as well, isn't it? Should that be allowed? It was her national committee that booted her off. My point being that the Olympics are different and the image they are trying to portray does not condone or allow this type of behavior or illegal drug use. I understand the desire to let the athletes perform, but there is and will probably continue to be a moral policing of the games. The difficulty is determining whose morality is correct. For now the rules and the opinion of the committee make those determinations.

Every country can make their own laws....not sure what that has to do with the IOC and pot and governing and ruling on performance enhancers?????

If Iran sends or holds back competitors based on strictly religious credentails....what does that have to do with the IOC and pot?

Greenskin try to stay focused and on point.

The Phelps controversy was a perfect example of the IOC deciding it was better to sweep the matter under the rug rather than get too involved.

I know some of you guys would like to believe that the Olympics is all about the highest moral standards and the IOC should guide those moral standards.

Sorry to burst the bubble....its just not true!

The US is probably closest to really trying to ensure the best athletes go to the Olympics and even in the US ...within certain sports its as much about politics and conflicting groups as it is about talent.

Lee was dumb.
Pot is not a perforformance enhancer.
The current ban on pot is dumb.
The IOC is internally conflicted about banning pot and rules will likely change again.
The Olympics is a great event but hardly all about every country sending the best and maintaining the highest moral standards.....maybe it was like that 100 years ago but politics and money have become a huge part of the Olympics if people want to admit it or not.

You guys can debate all you want ....but things I know and I doubt I will be convinced otherwise.

[Greenskin]

Originally Posted by tilt

Every country can make their own laws....not sure what that has to do with the IOC and pot and governing and ruling on performance enhancers?????

If Iran sends or holds back competitors based on strictly religious credentails....what does that have to do with the IOC and pot?

Greenskin try to stay focused and on point.

The Phelps controversy was a perfect example of the IOC deciding it was better to sweep the matter under the rug rather than get too involved.

I know some of you guys would like to believe that the Olympics is all about the highest moral standards and the IOC should guide those moral standards.

Sorry to burst the bubble....its just not true!

The US is probably closest to really trying to ensure the best athletes go to the Olympics and even in the US ...within certain sports its as much about politics and conflicting groups as it is about talent.

Lee was dumb.
Pot is not a perforformance enhancer.
The current ban on pot is dumb.
The IOC is internally conflicted about banning pot and rules will likely change again.
The Olympics is a great event but hardly all about every country sending the best and maintaining the highest moral standards.....maybe it was like that 100 years ago but politics and money have become a huge part of the Olympics if people want to admit it or not.

You guys can debate all you want ....but things I know and I doubt I will be convinced otherwise.

My point was discussing your comments about policing morality.

[daslobo]

Originally Posted by Greenskin

Then you are saying it's a performance enhancing drug because it allows you to play with less pain? You're right...it controls anxiety so well people smoke it all day and do nothing constructive. It may not be addictive but has been shown to be habit forming. Why do people feel the need to defend this drug?

I'll concede the point regarding performance enhancing if no other analgesics are allowed either. Ban aspirin and I'll accept the ban on MJ.

I know several people who smoke it every day and are productive as all get out. One started a very successful business and smokes his prescription government good stuff every day all day.

I defend this "drug" because it has many more beneficial uses and is more effective than some multi-million dollar pharmaceuticals. University studies all over the world dating from the 70's on have proven lab level success in fighting skin and lung cancer. Not just the effects of cancer, but actually killing cancer cells. In one study it was used to shrink tumors prior to surgery. One particular case cited the surgeon as being unable to find the tumor when they opened up the patient.

MJ should not be dismissed or lumped in with other drugs. It should be legal, studied, and used as the beneficial substance it is.

[canttouchthis76]

Originally Posted by Greenskin

I really don't want to get into an argument. Heroin comes from poppies. LSD from wheat rust. Psilocyben comes from magic mushrooms. Cocaine comes from cocoa leaves. Do you consider any of those controlled substances?

absolutely, when processed and extracted from its original state.

[Jaguar]

There is only one certainty here. Pot is currently on the list of banned drugs. Lee knew that. She risked her Olympic birth to keep smoking, and it cost her that birth.

The rest is all personal opinion.

[Al Lyons]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

There is only one certainty here. Pot is currently on the list of banned drugs. Lee knew that. She risked her Olympic birth to keep smoking, and it cost her that birth.

The rest is all personal opinion.

I think you meant "berth".

Your version opens up a whole new subject regarding pot use.

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by Al Lyons

I think you meant "berth".

Your version opens up a whole new subject regarding pot use.

Right you are! I stand corrected.

[tilt]

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

Thankfully wrestling is not soo tainted by money and politics....but since the 1980s the Olympics have just not been the same for me. I will watch and cheer for Americans but I refuse to live under the illusion that the Olympics are all about high moral standards and competing solely for national pride.

There are just too many millionares and advertising dollars in play for my liking. Baaaah humbug....but at the same time USA....USA.....