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What lead? Warned you both for stalling.

I think it is interesting, this match that is. Look, I lived in TX and have found that there was more of a respect, and availability of fire arms. Notice how conservatives are now saying, "maybe we should check the person out first."
With out seeing an exact quote, I think you may be misrepresenting what they are saying. We already have laws that state that we must "check the person out first"(back ground checks)...but the government officials failed to follow their own rules and enforce existing laws. If they would have enforced the laws as they are written, the Texas shooter would not have been able to purchase a gun legally. I have my doubts about weather or not that would have stopped the shooting, but he would not have been shooting with a legal firearm.

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...and you just got spadled for the pin.

26 more DEAD in a church shooting in Texas. Not enough good guys with guns in Texas???

Stricter gun laws do NOT result in less gun violence. Exdept in Canada, England, Germany, Sweden, France, Greece, Spain, Italy, Amsterdam, Greece...really any western democracy.

Mack, should citizens be allowed to own hand grenades?? "Shall not be infringed" and all.

We won't have peace until EVERY citizen is equipped with their own surface-to-air missile launcher because, ya know, that's exactly what the forefathers had in mind.



Shall not be infringed does not mean that you cannot loose your constitutional right to own a gun. People loose their constitutional rights all the time for criminal activity.
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Are m-16s legal?

76 dead at the hands of 2 White guys in the last 35 days with assault rifles----no chance of gun law reform. (and yea, the South Carolina church shooting...and etc.)

Muslim kills 7 people----"Extreme vetting!!!Arrrgggh!!"

Still no use of the term "SOB" to describe either White terrorist. I guess that term is exclusive to peaceful protesters of racial injustice.

Kudos on catching my misspelling. Hope it was orgasmic. Oh and it's "arms" not "firearms." ---but even some of those are banned too---what would the forefathers say?

God bless The Donald.
God bless the GOP.

...and forgive me if m-16 was wrong. I mean the gun Walter used at the end of Breaking Bad to kill all the Republicans, err, I mean Nazi's. Are those legal?


The proper use of words is important. Simply reigning terror down on innocent civilians doesn't automatically make you a terrorist.

Here is the definition of terrorism.

ter·ror·ism (tĕr′ə-rĭz′əm)

The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.

You may be able to make the case that these two mass murderers were trying to affect political change, but I think you are trying to make a racist statement.


Nazi:

I googled National Socialist Party. This is the first thing that popped up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party

I agree that the Republican party is becoming more and more socialist all the time, but they are miles and miles behind the Democrats on that road.

On a side note I think the jury is still out on the Vegas shooter being inspired by ISIS...that would make him an Islamic terrorist if this is accurate. http://www.newsweek.com/isis-las-veg...assacre-679295


...and I think you missed a few Muslim terror attacks on US soil. This list does not even include 911 or the previous attack on the world trade center.

Below is a list of the major, verifiable radical Islamic terror attacks "successfully planned and executed" on U.S. soil since Obama first took office in 2009 (the first section provided by Daily Wire's Aaron Bandler):

Little Rock, Arkansas, June 1, 2009. Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad shot and murdered one soldier, Army Pvt. William Andrew Long, and injured another, Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, at a military recruiting station in Little Rock. Muhammad reportedly converted to Islam in college and was on the FBI's radar after being arrested in Yemen–a hotbed of radical Islamic terrorism–for using a Somali passport, even though he was a U.S. citizen. In a note to an Arkansas judge, Muhammad claimed to be a member of al-Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula, the terror group's Yemen chapter.

Fort Hood, Texas, November 5, 2009. Major Nidal Malik Hasan shot up a military base in Fort Hood and murdered 14 people. Hasan was in contact with al-Qaeda terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki prior to the attack and shouted "Allahu Akbar!" as he fired upon the soldiers on the Fort Hood base. After being sentenced to death, Hasan requested to join ISIS while on death row. It took six years for Obama to acknowledge the shooting as a terror attack instead of "workplace violence."

Boston, Massachusetts, April 15, 2013. Tamerlan and Dhozkar Tsarnaev set off two bombs at the 2013 Boston marathon, killing three and injuring over 260 people. The Tsarnaev brothers later shot and murdered Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer Sean Collier. The Tsarnaev brothers were self-radicalized through online jihadist propaganda and through a mosque with ties to al-Qaeda.

Moore, Oklahoma, September 24, 2014. Alton Nolen beheaded a woman, Colleen Huff, at a Vaughan Foods plant and stabbed and injured another person. While Nolen's motives are unclear, he appears to have been another radicalized Muslim who was obsessed with beheadings.

Queens, New York, October 23, 2014. Zale Thompson, another self-radicalized Muslim, injured two police officers with a hatchet before being shot dead by other cops. Thompson reportedly indoctrinated himself with ISIS, al-Qaeda and al-Shabab–a Somali jihadist terror group–websites and was a lone wolf attacker.

Brooklyn, New York, December 20, 2014. Ismaayil Brinsley shot and murdered two police officers execution-style and his Facebook page featured jihadist postings and had ties to a terror-linked mosque.

Garland, Texas, May 3, 2015. Two gunmen shot up the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, where a Mohammed cartoon contest was taking place, and were killed by a police officer. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Chattanooga, Tennessee, July 16, 2015. Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez shot and killed four Marines and a sailor at a military base in Chattanooga and was believed to have been inspired by ISIS.

San Bernardino, California, December 14, 2015. Two radical Islamists, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, shot and murdered 14 people and injured 22 others at an office holiday party.

Orlando, Florida, June 12, 2016. Omar Mateen, 29, opened fire at a gay nightclub, killing 49 and injuring 53. The FBI investigated Mateen twice before his rampage, but did not take any substantive action. Officials believe Mateen was self-radicalized but he pledged fealty to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi before his death. "The real muslims will never accept the filthy ways of the west," Mateen posted on his Facebook page after committing his heinous act at Pulse nightclub. "I pledge my alliance to (ISIS leader) abu bakr al Baghdadi..may Allah accept me," he wrote.

St. Cloud, Minnesota, September 17, 2016. Dahir Ahmed Adan, a 20-year-old Somali refugee, began hacking at people with a steak knife at a Minnesota mall, injuring nine people before he was shot dead by off-duty police officer Jason Falconer. The FBI said numerous witnesses heard Adan yelling "Allahu akbar!" and "Islam! Islam!" during the rampage. He also asked potential victims if they were Muslims before inflicting wounds in their heads, necks, and chests. The FBI believe he had recently become self-radicalized. (As the Daily Wire highlighted, the Minneapolis Star Tribune attempted to blame "anti-Muslim tensions" for his murderous actions.)

New York City/New Jersey, September 17, 2016. Ahmad Khan Rahami, a 28-year-old naturalized citizen from Afghanistan, set off multiple bombs in New York and New Jersey. In Chelsea, his bomb resulted in the injury of over 30 people. Rahami wrote in his journal that he was connected to "terrorist leaders," and appears to have been heavily influenced by Sheikh Anwar, Anwar al-Awlaki, Nidal Hassan, and Osama bin Laden. "I pray to the beautiful wise ALLAH, [d]o not take JIHAD away from me," Rahami wrote. "You [USA Government] continue your [unintelligible] slaught[er]" against the holy warriors, "be it Afghanistan, Iraq, Sham [Syria], Palestine ... "

Columbus, Ohio, November 28, 2016. Abdul Razak Ali Artan, an ISIS-inspired 20-year-old Somali refugee who had been granted permanent legal residence in 2014 after living in Pakistan for 7 years, attempted to run over his fellow Ohio State students on campus. After his car was stopped by a barrier, he got out of the vehicle and began hacking at people with a butcher knife before being shot dead by a campus police officer. He injured 11 people, one critically. ISIS took credit for the attack, describing Artan as their "soldier." Just three minutes before his rampage, Artan posted a warning to America on Facebook that the "lone wolf attacks" will continue until America "give[s] peace to the Muslims." He also praised deceased al-Qaeda cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki as a "hero."

Note: While this list contains the major, verifiable radical Islamic attacks over the last eight years, there are other incidents suspected of having been motivated by the ideology but have not been verified to be so.

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There was a GGWG (from now on we can all agree to abbreviate these mythical vigilantes as such) at the recent Oregon college shooting. Fine, upstanding citizen with a perfectly valid CCP (which I'm NOT against). His perfectly logical reason for not drawing and engaging was that he didn't want the cops to think he was the bad guy. And, ya know, he's a student...not paid security, or Shaft, or McClain from DieHard.

What would a GGWG have done in Vegas? He shot a security guard and 2 off duty cops. Yes, he EVENTUALLT got taken down. BRAVO!
You said it your self "he EVENTUALLT got taken down"

I think you are missing the point. The shooter chose a gun free zone so that he could kill more people before they got to him. He could have went to a gun show and opened fire, but he might have killed 3 before he caught bad case of lead poisoning. The point is he was afraid to go somewhere that there might be guns shooting back at him. The criminals should fear us so we don't have to be afraid of them.

I don't like acronyms...I would rather type "good guys with guns"
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Nice cut and paste MAL. Well, I have said it before, I will say it again. Gun owners should title them like a car. If I were a gun owner I would want all mine registered and legit. Talking about gun laws in IL, TX, Or Indiana is ridiculous. Some people can't by guns, and will pay top dollar to get them some. Crossing a state line is nothing.
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The people that I met in Texas, had guns, but it was kinda sacred. There were no guns aloud in bars, schools, or churches...That is all changing.
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Nice cut and paste MAL. Well, I have said it before, I will say it again. Gun owners should title them like a car. If I were a gun owner I would want all mine registered and legit. Talking about gun laws in IL, TX, Or Indiana is ridiculous. Some people can't by guns, and will pay top dollar to get them some. Crossing a state line is nothing.
If you purchase a firearm legally ANYWHERE in the US it is registered. You must fill out the ATF Form 4473, period. I go the extra and keep both a hand written and computer stored record of all my firearms and optics. While requirements for firearm ownership may vary greatly from state to state (CA, MA, CT, NJ, NY being about as close to a socialist country), as does concealed carry laws, this doesn't. The whole gun shoe loophole thing is also a myth and used as an excuse to place blame like in Chicago. Straw purchases DO happen and there isn't a thing you can do about them unless you start punishing the offenders. The woman that legally purchased 4 firearms and then ILLEGALLY gave/sold to gang members, all used in crimes, were recovered by police, traced back to her, she was arrested, charged, and convicted of a felony and got...7 months probation. THAT is the real problem. Ban semi-automatic "assault style" rifles, high capacity magazines, etc and all it will do is create a massive black market for them and it won't change a damn thing crime wise.
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The proper use of words is important. Simply reigning terror down on innocent civilians doesn't automatically make you a terrorist.

Here is the definition of terrorism.

ter·ror·ism (tĕr′ə-rĭz′əm)

The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.

You may be able to make the case that these two mass murderers were trying to affect political change, but I think you are trying to make a racist statement.


Nazi:

I googled National Socialist Party. This is the first thing that popped up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party

I agree that the Republican party is becoming more and more socialist all the time, but they are miles and miles behind the Democrats on that road.

On a side note I think the jury is still out on the Vegas shooter being inspired by ISIS...that would make him an Islamic terrorist if this is accurate. http://www.newsweek.com/isis-las-veg...assacre-679295


...and I think you missed a few Muslim terror attacks on US soil. This list does not even include 911 or the previous attack on the world trade center.

Below is a list of the major, verifiable radical Islamic terror attacks "successfully planned and executed" on U.S. soil since Obama first took office in 2009 (the first section provided by Daily Wire's Aaron Bandler):

Little Rock, Arkansas, June 1, 2009. Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad shot and murdered one soldier, Army Pvt. William Andrew Long, and injured another, Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, at a military recruiting station in Little Rock. Muhammad reportedly converted to Islam in college and was on the FBI's radar after being arrested in Yemen–a hotbed of radical Islamic terrorism–for using a Somali passport, even though he was a U.S. citizen. In a note to an Arkansas judge, Muhammad claimed to be a member of al-Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula, the terror group's Yemen chapter.

Fort Hood, Texas, November 5, 2009. Major Nidal Malik Hasan shot up a military base in Fort Hood and murdered 14 people. Hasan was in contact with al-Qaeda terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki prior to the attack and shouted "Allahu Akbar!" as he fired upon the soldiers on the Fort Hood base. After being sentenced to death, Hasan requested to join ISIS while on death row. It took six years for Obama to acknowledge the shooting as a terror attack instead of "workplace violence."

Boston, Massachusetts, April 15, 2013. Tamerlan and Dhozkar Tsarnaev set off two bombs at the 2013 Boston marathon, killing three and injuring over 260 people. The Tsarnaev brothers later shot and murdered Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer Sean Collier. The Tsarnaev brothers were self-radicalized through online jihadist propaganda and through a mosque with ties to al-Qaeda.

Moore, Oklahoma, September 24, 2014. Alton Nolen beheaded a woman, Colleen Huff, at a Vaughan Foods plant and stabbed and injured another person. While Nolen's motives are unclear, he appears to have been another radicalized Muslim who was obsessed with beheadings.

Queens, New York, October 23, 2014. Zale Thompson, another self-radicalized Muslim, injured two police officers with a hatchet before being shot dead by other cops. Thompson reportedly indoctrinated himself with ISIS, al-Qaeda and al-Shabab–a Somali jihadist terror group–websites and was a lone wolf attacker.

Brooklyn, New York, December 20, 2014. Ismaayil Brinsley shot and murdered two police officers execution-style and his Facebook page featured jihadist postings and had ties to a terror-linked mosque.

Garland, Texas, May 3, 2015. Two gunmen shot up the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, where a Mohammed cartoon contest was taking place, and were killed by a police officer. ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack.

Chattanooga, Tennessee, July 16, 2015. Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez shot and killed four Marines and a sailor at a military base in Chattanooga and was believed to have been inspired by ISIS.

San Bernardino, California, December 14, 2015. Two radical Islamists, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, shot and murdered 14 people and injured 22 others at an office holiday party.

Orlando, Florida, June 12, 2016. Omar Mateen, 29, opened fire at a gay nightclub, killing 49 and injuring 53. The FBI investigated Mateen twice before his rampage, but did not take any substantive action. Officials believe Mateen was self-radicalized but he pledged fealty to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi before his death. "The real muslims will never accept the filthy ways of the west," Mateen posted on his Facebook page after committing his heinous act at Pulse nightclub. "I pledge my alliance to (ISIS leader) abu bakr al Baghdadi..may Allah accept me," he wrote.

St. Cloud, Minnesota, September 17, 2016. Dahir Ahmed Adan, a 20-year-old Somali refugee, began hacking at people with a steak knife at a Minnesota mall, injuring nine people before he was shot dead by off-duty police officer Jason Falconer. The FBI said numerous witnesses heard Adan yelling "Allahu akbar!" and "Islam! Islam!" during the rampage. He also asked potential victims if they were Muslims before inflicting wounds in their heads, necks, and chests. The FBI believe he had recently become self-radicalized. (As the Daily Wire highlighted, the Minneapolis Star Tribune attempted to blame "anti-Muslim tensions" for his murderous actions.)

New York City/New Jersey, September 17, 2016. Ahmad Khan Rahami, a 28-year-old naturalized citizen from Afghanistan, set off multiple bombs in New York and New Jersey. In Chelsea, his bomb resulted in the injury of over 30 people. Rahami wrote in his journal that he was connected to "terrorist leaders," and appears to have been heavily influenced by Sheikh Anwar, Anwar al-Awlaki, Nidal Hassan, and Osama bin Laden. "I pray to the beautiful wise ALLAH, [d]o not take JIHAD away from me," Rahami wrote. "You [USA Government] continue your [unintelligible] slaught[er]" against the holy warriors, "be it Afghanistan, Iraq, Sham [Syria], Palestine ... "

Columbus, Ohio, November 28, 2016. Abdul Razak Ali Artan, an ISIS-inspired 20-year-old Somali refugee who had been granted permanent legal residence in 2014 after living in Pakistan for 7 years, attempted to run over his fellow Ohio State students on campus. After his car was stopped by a barrier, he got out of the vehicle and began hacking at people with a butcher knife before being shot dead by a campus police officer. He injured 11 people, one critically. ISIS took credit for the attack, describing Artan as their "soldier." Just three minutes before his rampage, Artan posted a warning to America on Facebook that the "lone wolf attacks" will continue until America "give[s] peace to the Muslims." He also praised deceased al-Qaeda cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki as a "hero."

Note: While this list contains the major, verifiable radical Islamic attacks over the last eight years, there are other incidents suspected of having been motivated by the ideology but have not been verified to be so.

Wow you absolutely LOVE the fact that the Nazi's had "socialist" in their name. It shows how moronic you are. Hey the Soviets had "socialist" in their name too. Musta been the closest of allies huh? America is a "democratic" society. Why even have a "republican" party?

Do you think the mouth-breathing, swastika bearing nimrods chanting "YOU WILL NOT REPLACE US" in Charlottesville were big Bernie supporters????

Dumba$$.

In the last 35 days:

GOBSwBOGS (Good Ol Boys with Big Ol Guns)-76

GGWGs: 2

Mslim Extremists: 7

It's like OPRF vs a coupla CPS schools.

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Wow you absolutely LOVE the fact that the Nazi's had "socialist" in their name. It shows how moronic you are. Hey the Soviets had "socialist" in their name too. Musta been the closest of allies huh? America is a "democratic" society. Why even have a "republican" party?

Do you think the mouth-breathing, swastika bearing nimrods chanting "YOU WILL NOT REPLACE US" in Charlottesville were big Bernie supporters????

Dumba$$.

In the last 35 days:

GOBSwBOGS (Good Ol Boys with Big Ol Guns)-76

GGWGs: 2

Mslim Extremists: 7

It's like OPRF vs a coupla CPS schools.

The Vegas shooter might just be a Muslim terrorist...That would give CPS an upset victory over OPRF

I don't think the handful of Americans that call themselves Nazis even know what a Nazi is.
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Nice cut and paste MAL. Well, I have said it before, I will say it again. Gun owners should title them like a car. If I were a gun owner I would want all mine registered and legit. Talking about gun laws in IL, TX, Or Indiana is ridiculous. Some people can't by guns, and will pay top dollar to get them some. Crossing a state line is nothing.
I think Mack covered it pretty good but let me try to close the loop on this one.

Any gun purchased legally can be traced back to the original buyer as long as the gun still has the serial numbers on it. I don't know how a title will force a criminal to transfer the title to the new owner...they will just burn the title right after they file off the serial number.

They need to track down straw buyers and hold them accountable for the crimes committed with the gun. If the crime is murder they should be sitting on death row with the shooter. We have all the laws that we need in place now, but the authorities are not ready, willing or able to enforce them.
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