Dvorak question...

[wrestlersdad]

I was wondering if anybody could organize a team of high school wrestlers and enter the Dvorak tournament? There are a lot of quality high school wrestlers who wrestle for schools that don't participate in the Dvorak who would love a chance to wrestle the top wrestlers in the state. Could a team be put together with some of these wrestlers and enter the tournament?

[MR TWISTER]

During the high school season you cannot participate in any All Star teams or else you will be ruled ineligible for the remainer of the season per the IHSA.

[wrestlersdad]

Thanks for the response, I should of guessed. It's just a shame that a lot of wrestlers will not get the chance to wrestle in one of the toughest tournaments around. I wish they would make the Dvorak an open individual tournament for the high schoolers and not a team thing. Let all the Illinois wrestlers have a chance to get better.

[Radical]

The IHSA will never allow an open tournament during the season. We can all just forget that. However, there are plenty of off season tournaments that have a high level of competition. If somone really wants to get better through competition at open tournaments go to the off season tournaments. Preseason has Super 32 in North Carolina and a tournament at Oak Park High School in Kansas City. I believe there is also on at Lock Haven and one in Colorado. Post season, there are several USA regionals, and Fargo (FS and GR). The NHSCA nationals are also available. I am sure others can be found in Ohio, Pennsylvania and California if you look. Anyone that is seeking the competition can find it, unfortunately, they have to find a way to pay for it and get there.

[Artheritis]

Is there anything in the bylaws against an individual going to a tournament unattached? In fact, hasn't this been done in the past?
There's no team affiliation w/it so the all-star team rule wouldn't apply), but it'd be hard to argue that one or two kids from a school going to a tournament wouldn't count against that school's 5 tournament limit. But I really seem to remember this being done in the past, and not the very distant past.

[Sparky27]

Does anyone know where the Dvorak will be this year?

[tigercoach]

Originally Posted by Mike Hunt

I like the suggestion of making the Dvorak an open tourny. I think a lot of people would complain that it takes away from the state tourny though.....

Why can't schools just send one or two of their top wrestlers? Or is the Dvorak strictly team oriented?

I think allowing for an open tournament, such as an in-season version of the Midlands, would be great also --- I don't think it would take away from the state tournament at all --- In fact, I think it would probably generate even more of a buzz for season-ending match-ups than the Dvorak already does. But I also agree that -- for whatever reason -- the IHSA appears against such an idea.

[Illifornia]

In California there are lots of partial teams at lots of the tournaments. There are 64 man brackets in some of them, it gets a little much. It does harden kids though for the rigors of a 38 man state bracket. But the problem with this system is there is no real reason to improve as a team. In Illinois, if your team sucks you can not get into the big tournaments otrdual meets. It gives incentive to be a good team but also can make it tough to ever bring your team out of the basement.

[mckbln]

Originally Posted by wrestlersdad

I was wondering if anybody could organize a team of high school wrestlers and enter the Dvorak tournament? There are a lot of quality high school wrestlers who wrestle for schools that don't participate in the Dvorak who would love a chance to wrestle the top wrestlers in the state. Could a team be put together with some of these wrestlers and enter the tournament?

The Dvorak is a great tournament, but it isn't the only one. You have Conant, Barrington, Granite City, and a few others, plus some GREAT out of state tournaments, all of them looking for teams. If you look hard enough, you might be surprised at what you find.

[Mr. White]

Originally Posted by mckbln

The Dvorak is a great tournament, but it isn't the only one. You have Conant, Barrington, Granite City, and a few others, plus some GREAT out of state tournaments, all of them looking for teams. If you look hard enough, you might be surprised at what you find.

Are you coming down for Granite this year? It will be interesting to see if Mac Bailey ends up the same weight as one of the Colemans. There will be several other good match ups as well.