Is Montini at it again?

[tilt112]

Good point maddog. A schedule like that will really get someone ready for the state finals tournment.

[matador]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

If all lawyers did was "bat words around," they would be doing the world a disservice. I also didn't realize anyone was on trial here. Should I call you counsellor?

No, but you can call me A counselor. I am really depressed and torn up inside since I hurt your and Radical's feelings. *joke alert*

[Radical]

Originally Posted by maddog81

Montini plays the toughest schedule in the state this includes "Clash", "Dvorak", "Cheesehead" and "Ironman". The easier part of the schedule will be the state tournament in AA. There are many wrestlers who receive scholarships without winning the state championship. At Niles West they don't offer that kind of schedule.

This is precicely my point. All these posts are directed toward getting a wrestling scholarship. I agree that Montini's schedule gets kids more expousre. This is a benefit to wrestling at Montini. I just believe that one should wrestle for the love of the sport and competition, not a scholarship. I you get one through wrestling thats great, but it should not be the motivation to wrestle or the deciding factor on where you wrestle.

I also suggest that state finalists are on the radar of college coaches. It's the kids a tier down from that who need the exposure. They can get this at Fargo, NHSCA nationals, Super 32 and other places. Alternatively a schedule like Montini's will get you that exposure. But not everone has $8200.00 per year for tuition. Thus choose one of the alternatives.

All that being said, Montini is a great school and great place to be for almost any kid. I cannot say enough good things about my son's experience there this past year and would recommend it to anyone who wanted to wrestle with the best against the best and get a good education at the same time.

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by matador

Radical/Jaguar -

I apologize for "allegedly" insulting the legal profession. I would have thought you guys would be used to that sort of thing. I guess I should have prefaced my statements with one of my joke alerts!

Radical - I am well aware of what lawyers do as I work with them on a daily basis. Maybe I am transferring my hostility toward my 4 ex-wives and their attorneys to you and Jag (joke alert...I only have 3 ex-wives : )

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.

That explains a lot! Sorry for missing the joke alert. There is still a beer waiting for you at a bar somewhere.

[tilt112]

Hey Radical, would you say your son had a better experience at Montini than at his last school? Could you tell some of the Pros and cons with both schools wrestling teams.

[Ace]

Originally Posted by THE Grill Master

paramambles is term used in the british high courts by the queens law staff,i figured you wouldnt understand that ----look it up ace you be surprised.----------------have a great day

Nice try GM....You couldnt even find England on a world map!

[Ace]

Originally Posted by maddog81

Montini plays the toughest schedule in the state this includes "Clash", "Dvorak", "Cheesehead" and "Ironman". The easier part of the schedule will be the state tournament in AA. There are many wrestlers who receive scholarships without winning the state championship. At Niles West they don't offer that kind of schedule.

Basically what i have been saying, but some genius on here thinks that this kid is ONLY wrestling for a scholarship. Which has never been said, he doubles his chances at a scholarship is the point! You dont start wrestling at a young age because you dont love the sport.

My point exaactly here though maddog81....Bravo.

[Coach Lee]

You're right. What's the literary tool called when you exaggerate to make a point? (Hyperbole, I think). We all have our own perspectives, and I am not willing to say that one is better than another on some of these issues. There are many unique factors that come to play in making these decisions. From my perspective, I had many people over the years ask me why I didn't take my kids to Martinez or here or there (not to pick on Martinez). It was tempting at times, but we stayed put. Frankly, my older son wouldn't have wanted to go. He was committed to our school and our program, warts and all. He scoffed at the notion of being "elite" and took pleasure in beating the "elite" guys he faced. I have often thought about the fact that there would have been a hole at our school if we left. I was very involved and drove carloads of kids whose parents either could not or would not take them to off-season tournaments over the years. Having a national caliber wrestler in the room elevated the entire room and inspired them. If he had gone to a more prestigious and elite program, he may have done better himself (in folkstyle anyway), but it would have left a gaping hole in the local program. I am not saying he is the best thing since sliced bread, and he was not the only wrestler in the program who was of that caliber. Guys like Billy Malone and Matt Lee inspired and pushed my son the same way he inspired and pushed the guys who came after them. If all of those guys left for greener pastures, the local program would dwindle and die. I appreciate guys like Blanton and Bybee who stayed in their local schools. Both school programs developed one or two other guys who qualified for state who might not have reached theat level but for the stars staying home. That's how I see it. Mock me if you wish (Matador alert). I am sticking to my guns on this one.

Over the Years you have taken many shots at Martinez and every time I saw it I called you on it. So you mention them again, they sure made an impact on your life. Now you seem to bring up Montini often, same envy? As for your son beating the Elites no disrespect intended , but I didn't see that against Martinez wrestlers often if at all. I will say when I saw his greatest improvement is when you took him to train at Pinacle. I think they are not your home program. I think you are a nice Guy and your son is a great Kid, but you need to think about what you say sometimes. Try posting with examples of other schools or programs more often and your opinion will not look like you have sour grapes with the Top programs. With my son being trained by Martinez and Now enrolling in Montini I see you compaineth to mucheth about Things which we have decided are great options for us , so we do take it personal. My son has always attended Catholic School in Bolingbrook and they do not have a youth program so can my son be a Hero even though he will not attend his public school.

[Radical]

Originally Posted by tilt112

Hey Radical, would you say your son had a better experience at Montini than at his last school? Could you tell some of the Pros and cons with both schools wrestling teams.

That is a loaded question. Lake Zurich is a great place, my son has many friends there and they still feel welcome to raid my refrigerator. He has made lots of friends and created many relationships at Montini this past year. From a pure wrestling standpoint, Montini is a far better experience than LZ and 99% of the other schools in the state. He has made many friends at Montini and some of those friendships I am sure will last. There is a little bittersweet to this because he is not graduating with the kids he grew up with and played ball with since kindergarten. Regardless, there are no regrets, Montini is first class and we would do it all over again if presented with the same opportunity.

The pros of Montini are many --

A top 10 national team that challenges itself with some of the best competition in the country.

Coach Bu and his staff are great coaches and great people who teach the kids how to be successful.

The school administration and teachers are supportive in and out of the classroom. One teacher even mails newspaper articles from the various papers to the kids.

Academically it was a good fit for my son offerring classes at his level.

The greatest group of parents we have ever been associated with in kids/high school athletics.

My son experiencing cultural differences from the public school to the private/Catholic school.

The cons are few --

The cost factor should always be addressed. Tuition is significant. Additionally, there is a cost to the parents for the out of town travel but well worth it!!!

The IHSA requirements. My son moved with his mother to Barrington. So not having him live at my house during his senior year was a bit different.

Not graduating with his friends that he grew up with for maost of the past 18 years.


This is just a quick list of the highlights.

I won't knock Lake Zurich. But like many places, they do not have a significant feeder program, they wrestle a "local schedule' as opposed to a national schedule., The commitment from the school (teachers, administration, coaches etc) and parents is like most places, it is an activity and afterwards it is over. At Montini, it is a lifestyle that we all committed to. Many of the parents, including myself will miss it. However, several of us have agreed to attend an occasional meet or tournament despite our kids not being there next year. The excitement goes beyond our kids and extends to the program as a whole. This is part of what makes Montini special in the wrestling community.

[THE Grill Master]

Originally Posted by Ace

Nice try GM....You couldnt even find England on a world map!

for your information i went to school there--2 years -learned lots of words and meamings there that you dont hear in chicagoland area......