Is Montini at it again?

[Ace]

Originally Posted by THE Grill Master

for your information i went to school there--2 years -learned lots of words and meamings there that you dont hear in chicagoland area......

Oh yeah thats really interesting. I guess all those riveting conversations on the Lift and great programs on the Tele, really would open your eyes up.

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by Coach Lee

You're right. What's the literary tool called when you exaggerate to make a point? (Hyperbole, I think). We all have our own perspectives, and I am not willing to say that one is better than another on some of these issues. There are many unique factors that come to play in making these decisions. From my perspective, I had many people over the years ask me why I didn't take my kids to Martinez or here or there (not to pick on Martinez). It was tempting at times, but we stayed put. Frankly, my older son wouldn't have wanted to go. He was committed to our school and our program, warts and all. He scoffed at the notion of being "elite" and took pleasure in beating the "elite" guys he faced. I have often thought about the fact that there would have been a hole at our school if we left. I was very involved and drove carloads of kids whose parents either could not or would not take them to off-season tournaments over the years. Having a national caliber wrestler in the room elevated the entire room and inspired them. If he had gone to a more prestigious and elite program, he may have done better himself (in folkstyle anyway), but it would have left a gaping hole in the local program. I am not saying he is the best thing since sliced bread, and he was not the only wrestler in the program who was of that caliber. Guys like Billy Malone and Matt Lee inspired and pushed my son the same way he inspired and pushed the guys who came after them. If all of those guys left for greener pastures, the local program would dwindle and die. I appreciate guys like Blanton and Bybee who stayed in their local schools. Both school programs developed one or two other guys who qualified for state who might not have reached theat level but for the stars staying home. That's how I see it. Mock me if you wish (Matador alert). I am sticking to my guns on this one.

Over the Years you have taken many shots at Martinez and every time I saw it I called you on it. So you mention them again, they sure made an impact on your life. Now you seem to bring up Montini often, same envy? As for your son beating the Elites no disrespect intended , but I didn't see that against Martinez wrestlers often if at all. I will say when I saw his greatest improvement is when you took him to train at Pinacle. I think they are not your home program. I think you are a nice Guy and your son is a great Kid, but you need to think about what you say sometimes. Try posting with examples of other schools or programs more often and your opinion will not look like you have sour grapes with the Top programs. With my son being trained by Martinez and Now enrolling in Montini I see you compaineth to mucheth about Things which we have decided are great options for us , so we do take it personal. My son has always attended Catholic School in Bolingbrook and they do not have a youth program so can my son be a Hero even though he will not attend his public school.

Wow, Coach, you are way too sensitive on this one. I never mentioned Montini, anywhere. I only brought up Martinez because that is who people told me I should take me son to. Should I have made up a club?

[stillwrestling]

Montini has a great program and schedule, a definite plus for a kid interested in winning a state title.

The downside of this is that it's bad for illinois wrestling to watch the most exciting young wrestlers filtered out, packaged and then sent to Montini, Rita, etc. The state could have a lot of stronger programs if this kind of thing didn't always happen. And I absolutely believe it's better for Illinois wrestling overall to have more solid programs led by local standouts who inspire and raise the level of their teammates than to always have the top talent rerouted towards the same few top programs.

I don't want to insult anyone, but I may not want to send my kid to a Catholic school, either. Just my opinion. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts.

[justgivemesix]

Originally Posted by stillwrestling

Montini has a great program and schedule, a definite plus for a kid interested in winning a state title.

The downside of this is that it's bad for illinois wrestling to watch the most exciting young wrestlers filtered out, packaged and then sent to Montini, Rita, etc. The state could have a lot of stronger programs if this kind of thing didn't always happen. And I absolutely believe it's better for Illinois wrestling overall to have more solid programs led by local standouts who inspire and raise the level of their teammates than to always have the top talent rerouted towards the same few top programs.

I don't want to insult anyone, but I may not want to send my kid to a Catholic school, either. Just my opinion. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts.

Would you or anyone care to send your child to a school within the Chicago Public League schools? Ever think of trying to be wrestler who helped make the team better and become recognized. I think it would be very interesting to gauge the talent level in the room without your wrestler, and see how much better the team has become with him in it.

[stillwrestling]

Originally Posted by justgivemesix

Would you or anyone care to send your child to a school within the Chicago Public League schools? Ever think of trying to be wrestler who helped make the team better and become recognized. I think it would be very interesting to gauge the talent level in the room without your wrestler, and see how much better the team has become with him in it.

I don't quite understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase your point?

[Radical]

Originally Posted by justgivemesix

Would you or anyone care to send your child to a school within the Chicago Public League schools? Ever think of trying to be wrestler who helped make the team better and become recognized. I think it would be very interesting to gauge the talent level in the room without your wrestler, and see how much better the team has become with him in it.

This is a little tough to respond to without knocking the CPS but if academics were a factor the answer is generally NO. Although the magnet schools may be an exception. Regardless, no single wrestler is going to blaze a path to make a CPS or other school a wrestling powerhouse. It just doesn't work that way.

Travis Hammons went to Hubbard his Sr. year. The program to my knowledge has not made any significant strides since then.

A coach sets the tone for a program. Generally, a coach attracts, creates or supports a feeder program that starts the success and others tend to follow. There are other forumulas but to be successful over the long term you have to start creating and building talent from within. Other talent will then follow.

[tilt112]

Thanks for responding Radical. I think most schools only wrestle during the high school season and after that coaches and kids are done until the next year. Thats why some schools have a long history of success because of there off-season wrestling.

[MR TWISTER]

Originally Posted by Radical

This is a little tough to respond to without knocking the CPS but if academics were a factor the answer is generally NO. Although the magnet schools may be an exception. Regardless, no single wrestler is going to blaze a path to make a CPS or other school a wrestling powerhouse. It just doesn't work that way.

Travis Hammons went to Hubbard his Sr. year. The program to my knowledge has not made any significant strides since then.

A coach sets the tone for a program. Generally, a coach attracts, creates or supports a feeder program that starts the success and others tend to follow. There are other forumulas but to be successful over the long term you have to start creating and building talent from within. Other talent will then follow.

Not totally correct...actually Travis went to Hubbard for three years and to Thornwood for one...and his coach at Hubbard, James Brown, left at the same time Hammons left and won the city championship for Corliss in his first year there.

But you are right no one person is going to make any school, public or private a powerhouse...

[Radical]

Originally Posted by MR TWISTER

Not totally correct...actually Travis went to Hubbard for three years and to Thornwood for one...and his coach at Hubbard, James Brown, left at the same time Hammons left and won the city championship for Corliss in his first year there.

But you are right no one person is going to make any school, public or private a powerhouse...

Thanks for the correction. That only further supports my point. Nobody followed him there. He was an exceptional talent that did it without other elite wrestlers in the room at school with him.

[Tofurky]

Originally Posted by MR TWISTER

But you are right no one person is going to make any school, public or private a powerhouse...

Driscoll? Simeon? Joliet Catholic? Morgan Park?