Is Montini at it again?

[American]

If you want to talk about recruiting look at GBN. How many varsity wrestlers actually live in the district? I understand the may have family in the area. But that is not right it is supposed to be THEIR residence. It takes away from other PUBLIC school wrestling programs. I for one think the coaches need to put there high and mighty egos down and the parents of these kids need to teach them what the word integrity means. You can not teach teenagers to bend the rules for their benefit or you will create a culture that cares about no one but themselves. Shame on all involved, Especially the adult PARENTS and COACHES for setting such poor examples for the future of America.

It is my understanding that private schools live under different rules than public schools. Right or wrong those are the rules and I can accept them.

[Pink_Panther]

Originally Posted by American

If you want to talk about recruiting look at GBN. How many varsity wrestlers actually live in the district? I understand the may have family in the area. But that is not right it is supposed to be THEIR residence. It takes away from other PUBLIC school wrestling programs. I for one think the coaches need to put there high and mighty egos down and the parents of these kids need to teach them what the word integrity means. You can not teach teenagers to bend the rules for their benefit or you will create a culture that cares about no one but themselves. Shame on all involved, Especially the adult PARENTS and COACHES for setting such poor examples for the future of America.

It is my understanding that private schools live under different rules than public schools. Right or wrong those are the rules and I can accept them.

It happens look at Carl Sandburg they have had some move-ins. Look at St. Paris Graham they got David Taylor from Wyoming and I believe they are a public school.

[Hasbeen/Neverwas32]

Originally Posted by American

If you want to talk about recruiting look at GBN. How many varsity wrestlers actually live in the district? I understand the may have family in the area. But that is not right it is supposed to be THEIR residence. It takes away from other PUBLIC school wrestling programs. I for one think the coaches need to put there high and mighty egos down and the parents of these kids need to teach them what the word integrity means. You can not teach teenagers to bend the rules for their benefit or you will create a culture that cares about no one but themselves. Shame on all involved, Especially the adult PARENTS and COACHES for setting such poor examples for the future of America.

It is my understanding that private schools live under different rules than public schools. Right or wrong those are the rules and I can accept them.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Ramos Brothers are natives of Johnsburg Schools. I also believe their little sister still goes to Johnsburgs middle school. Hmmm??? I don't blame GBN as much as I do the Catholic school for putting the sport in the situation it is in. The only way GBN can compete with the catholic schools is to recruit. If Catholic schools can jump through loopholes then public schools should too. I say close the loopholes and eliminate it all the way through. If a kid and parent are truly looking to improve there kids situation they can do so by sitting a year. If their #1 priority is improving a kid’s situation academically, then they must sacrifice a year athletically. If they lose with the IHSA they can always take it to court and try to get it overturned. I don't have a problem with kids who go to catholic schools who were raised in parochial schooling. It is the kids that are athletes walking the hallways with zero catholic background, and have no intention of being catholic. Most of the public schools these kids would have gone are great schools. It is very hard to swallow watching Catholic schools like Montini take everyone else's gold and watch them flourish with it. They haven't done much that most of these public school coaches couldn't do with an all-star team. That being said I don't want to take away from their accomplishment of winning because they aren't the only ones recruiting and collecting others champions. Congrats to Montini on this years State Title.

[Tofurky]

Originally Posted by MR TWISTER

But you are right no one person is going to make any school, public or private a powerhouse...

Maybe not on the high school level, but look what Jake Herbert did for recruiting at Northwestern. Tom Brands had a HUGE effect on VT when he was there. Tom Ryan to Ohio State...

[maddog81]

Montini has 320 males in the school this is 80 per class. Because of the multiplier they do wrestle against the likes of GBN which has almost 1500 males to choose from. If GBN goes out of the district to get wrestlers and they still can't beat Montini it makes me believe there is no comparison with the coaching levels at the school.

[Ace]

Originally Posted by Hasbeen/Neverwas32

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Ramos Brothers are natives of Johnsburg Schools. I also believe their little sister still goes to Johnsburgs middle school. Hmmm??? I don't blame GBN as much as I do the Catholic school for putting the sport in the situation it is in. The only way GBN can compete with the catholic schools is to recruit. If Catholic schools can jump through loopholes then public schools should too. I say close the loopholes and eliminate it all the way through. If a kid and parent are truly looking to improve there kids situation they can do so by sitting a year. If their #1 priority is improving a kid’s situation academically, then they must sacrifice a year athletically. If they lose with the IHSA they can always take it to court and try to get it overturned. I don't have a problem with kids who go to catholic schools who were raised in parochial schooling. It is the kids that are athletes walking the hallways with zero catholic background, and have no intention of being catholic. Most of the public schools these kids would have gone are great schools. It is very hard to swallow watching Catholic schools like Montini take everyone else's gold and watch them flourish with it. They haven't done much that most of these public school coaches couldn't do with an all-star team. That being said I don't want to take away from their accomplishment of winning because they aren't the only ones recruiting and collecting others champions. Congrats to Montini on this years State Title.

So you have to be Catholic to go to a Catholic school? Or atleast show interest into conversion? WOW....Maybe parents want to send their kids to more of a structured school, or maybe their public schools are in bad shape, its called watch the NEWS!

Paaalease, get a clue man.

[matador]

Originally Posted by Hasbeen/Neverwas32

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Ramos Brothers are natives of Johnsburg Schools. I also believe their little sister still goes to Johnsburgs middle school. Hmmm??? I don't blame GBN as much as I do the Catholic school for putting the sport in the situation it is in. The only way GBN can compete with the catholic schools is to recruit. If Catholic schools can jump through loopholes then public schools should too. I say close the loopholes and eliminate it all the way through. If a kid and parent are truly looking to improve there kids situation they can do so by sitting a year. If their #1 priority is improving a kid’s situation academically, then they must sacrifice a year athletically. If they lose with the IHSA they can always take it to court and try to get it overturned. I don't have a problem with kids who go to catholic schools who were raised in parochial schooling. It is the kids that are athletes walking the hallways with zero catholic background, and have no intention of being catholic. Most of the public schools these kids would have gone are great schools. It is very hard to swallow watching Catholic schools like Montini take everyone else's gold and watch them flourish with it. They haven't done much that most of these public school coaches couldn't do with an all-star team. That being said I don't want to take away from their accomplishment of winning because they aren't the only ones recruiting and collecting others champions. Congrats to Montini on this years State Title.

Huh? Where do I begin?

You said that you blame the Catholic schools for the state of wrestling. Did you know that is a compliment? With 17000 high school wrestling participants, IL is noticing its highest total in the last 20 years. We recently saw a stretch of 3 titles won in a row by a PUBLIC school. Our kids are flourishing at national events. Our Junior Dual Team has won nationals the last 2 years. We have seen the start up of many elite wrestling schools. IL wrestling is at an all-time high! Are you sure you want to give credit to the Catholic schools for this?

You don't blame GBN for recruiting (although they do not "recruit"), but you do blame Catholic schools???? Do you know the meaning of hypocrisy?
Maybe the catholic schools started "recruiting" to keep up with public school powerhouses like Proviso East, Waukegan, and Leyden who dominated in their day???

Loopholes? The exact same "loopholes" exist for private AND public schools (ie Ramos).

Catholic school is NOT about being Catholic..it is being part of a PRIVATE education. Kids wear uniforms. They have smaller class sizes. They have accelerated academic programs. They have less violence/drug problems/etc than public schools.

Hard to swallow Catholic schools taking everyone else's gold and collecting champions??? Montini had 3 transfers in their lineup last year vs. Glenbard North (Brody, Saunders, Hudson). All 3 lost in that dual. None of these 3 had qualified for Sectionals at their prior schools. Are you sure they were "gold/championship" recruits???

Public Schools have their advantages/disadvantages.
Private Schools have their advantages/disadvantages.

I admire all teams (regardless of private or public) who do what is necessary to compete at their highest level possible. Pretenders who simply complain are not "heroes" in my book. Right Jag?

[flash19]

GBN gets maybe 1-2 kids every 4 years to "movie in" versus and entire lineup from accross the state.

There is a huge difference and the advantage is in Catholic schools favor.

[maddog81]

Entire line up from across the state?

[matador]

Originally Posted by flash19

GBN gets maybe 1-2 kids every 4 years to "movie in" versus and entire lineup from accross the state.

There is a huge difference and the advantage is in Catholic schools favor.

Ramos, Ramos, Gosinski, and Chase add up to 4.

The advantage IS NOT in favor of Catholic Schools! IHSA rules regarding "move-ins/transfers" are fair for both private schools AND public schools!

For Pretto to transfer to Sandburg, he had to rent a new residence in Sandburg's district and pay $0 in tuition.

For Robertson to transfer to Montini, he has to buy/rent a new residence outside of Niles West district and pay $8000+ in tuition.

Actually, it sounds like the public schools have the advantage when it comes to transfers.