Is Montini at it again?

[tilt112]

My feelings about Robertson transfering are if he and his parents think a change of schools can help in both school and wrestling than that is an easy choice. Maybe he wants to test himself and better himself with their tough schedule and be apart of good program.

[ZBCOACH]

All i'm saying here is that privates schools are safer because they don't have the influx of the thugs, gangbangers, and the kids who have no hope in academics. The kids going to private schools are coming from families that value education and are willing to invest in their children. Yes you have the crazy ones that go in killing people but that is the far end extreme. I speaking just on the day to day basis.

[MR TWISTER]

Originally Posted by ZBCOACH

All i'm saying here is that privates schools are safer because they don't have the influx of the thugs, gangbangers, and the kids who have no hope in academics. The kids going to private schools are coming from families that value education and are willing to invest in their children. Yes you have the crazy ones that go in killing people but that is the far end extreme. I speaking just on the day to day basis.

So if that is the case that the kids that go to private school are coming from families that care then why does everyone on this site always put those familes and their sons down for trying to give their kid the best. It gets kinda old hearing the same old.."he should stay at his home district" school and help the wrestling team. I say you do what is best for your kid. If staying in district is best then do that. If it's not then you go private. But don't put a family down for making a choice. That is what makes America great - choices.

[ZBCOACH]

I never put a family down for sending a kid to a private school. I thought I was praising them for caring about their kids education and well being. It is a parents responsibility to protect and provide their child with the best oppurtunities to succeed as they can give. Even if you can't afford private school but you can move to a better public school district than so be it. I looked at school report cards when choosing where to live to give my son the best that I could when he begins school. I'm doing what parents do, as you did what you could do to provide for your sons.

[tilt112]

That's exactly what I was trying to get across. I never went to a private school but can understand why someone would want to. I think some people think it's not fair because good wrestlers are transfering there after their already established. Most public schools only have few state qualifing wrestlers and only some have top-notch state placers so it is tough to see one school with so many great wrestlers placing downstate. Not to say there aren't some great public teams out there, but I think most public schools have a tough time competing with the private schools. Maybe that is why some people get so angry when a good athlete chooses a private school. They feel the good teams get better and everyone else stays the same. IMO

[stillwrestling]

Originally Posted by MR TWISTER

And what about those families like mine that did not send a kid to private school because of "badness" and the hope he will get some discipline. and paying tuition would straighten him out. I didn't need private school for that - we handle that in the home. We sent our kid to private school because it was the best education and athletics combination. The choice of Thornwood vs Mt. Carmel was an easy one for both for athletics and academics. We didn't have $6,500 per year either but we did what as a family we thouht was best for our son. When you think about it we (private school families) pay twice because we also pay our taxes to the school district and then we pay for a private school education. That is a serious sacrafice in thease hard times.

What are we classified as?

Give me one piece of evidence that private schools have better academics than a good public school? Fact is, private school teachers are horribly underpaid. Private schools do not attract the best teachers. Besides which, any school that spends half its time indoctrinating kids with religious principles is sacrificing intellectual education.

Sorry, but the idea that a private school has better academics is flat out b.s.. Maybe if you're talking inner city CPS school with lots of problems. But you put Montini up against New Trier in academics and you lose. And you'd lose against a lot of other schools as well.

I'm not trying to bash Montini or other private schools. If you're choosing between a private school and a public school with a ton of problems, okay, I get it. But beyond that, lots of public schools have great academic programs. Don't kid yourself. Robertson is going for wrestling. Period. It's not like he's suddenly going to Choate or Sidwell friends.

I can't speak to everyone's situation. So what do we say we stop acting like Montini is prepping all their kids for Harvard or something. I know a lot of teachers who work at Catholic schools. It's quite a sacrifice for them, many do not stay very long, and I can't honestly say that these schools seem to attract the best and brightest teachers with their low pay, horrible schedules, and a school culture that is often anti-intellectual.

[LOCK Jaw]

Originally Posted by stillwrestling

Give me one piece of evidence that private schools have better academics than a good public school? Fact is, private school teachers are horribly underpaid. Private schools do not attract the best teachers. Besides which, any school that spends half its time indoctrinating kids with religious principles is sacrificing intellectual education.

Sorry, but the idea that a private school has better academics is flat out b.s.. Maybe if you're talking inner city CPS school with lots of problems. But you put Montini up against New Trier in academics and you lose. And you'd lose against a lot of other schools as well.

I'm not trying to bash Montini or other private schools. If you're choosing between a private school and a public school with a ton of problems, okay, I get it. But beyond that, lots of public schools have great academic programs. Don't kid yourself. Robertson is going for wrestling. Period. It's not like he's suddenly going to Choate or Sidwell friends.

I can't speak to everyone's situation. So what do we say we stop acting like Montini is prepping all their kids for Harvard or something. I know a lot of teachers who work at Catholic schools. It's quite a sacrifice for them, many do not stay very long, and I can't honestly say that these schools seem to attract the best and brightest.

Interesting statement. Are you the spokesman for the Robertson family or would that be some ignorant assumption. Its definately the latter of the two, however I thank you for your expert speculation.

[Cubs84]

Originally Posted by stillwrestling

Give me one piece of evidence that private schools have better academics than a good public school? Fact is, private school teachers are horribly underpaid. Private schools do not attract the best teachers. Besides which, any school that spends half its time indoctrinating kids with religious principles is sacrificing intellectual education.

Sorry, but the idea that a private school has better academics is flat out b.s.. Maybe if you're talking inner city CPS school with lots of problems. But you put Montini up against New Trier in academics and you lose. And you'd lose against a lot of other schools as well.

I'm not trying to bash Montini or other private schools. If you're choosing between a private school and a public school with a ton of problems, okay, I get it. But beyond that, lots of public schools have great academic programs. Don't kid yourself. Robertson is going for wrestling. Period. It's not like he's suddenly going to Choate or Sidwell friends.

I can't speak to everyone's situation. So what do we say we stop acting like Montini is prepping all their kids for Harvard or something. I know a lot of teachers who work at Catholic schools. It's quite a sacrifice for them, many do not stay very long, and I can't honestly say that these schools seem to attract the best and brightest teachers with their low pay, horrible schedules, and a school culture that is often anti-intellectual.

I am a perfect example of someone who went to Montini for non athletic reasons. I didn't wrestle oin Jr high. I was on cross and track only. My parents liked the discipline, small classes and catholic influence. I think we have some of the best public schools in the country here in Illinois but it is still a choice whether you or anyone else likes it or not

[stillwrestling]

Lock Jaw:

It's a simple logic people on this thread have been ignoring for some reason. Montini does not have better academics, nor are there horrible school culture/gang/danger issues to really worry about at Niles West. So it's pretty obvious he's transferring for wrestling, which he has every right to do.

Cubs84: I'm glad you liked your Montini experience.

You went for Catholic discipline. This isn't the same as academic training in my book.

[LOCK Jaw]

Originally Posted by stillwrestling

It's a simple logic people on this thread have been ignoring for some reason. Montini does not have better academics, nor are there horrible school culture/gang/danger issues to really worry about at Niles West. So it's pretty obvious he's transfering for wrestling, which he has every right to do.

I guess those Montini pamphlets showing kids sitting at their desks studying really do the trick on parents. Anyone got some comments on the education side of this debate, other than Lock Jaw who can't use logic to save his arse?

Are you the Robertson family representative?