Is Montini at it again?

[mckbln]

First of all mckbln... that was with a team that had a few recruits if I may say so...

So what? Like I said, instead of whining about it, they (Carl Sandburg)found a way to win 3 state championships in a row and in the process become one of the best teams (and IMO THE best in 2005-06) in the country. It kind of reminds me about Darlington (Morris)bitching all those years about Joliet Catholic in football and then after he leaves Morris goes out and actually beats them. The bottom line is that Montini as a "Class A" team had been competing with and beating AA teams for years before they became AA themselves. While Montinis' basketball and football coaches were complaining about having to move up, the wrestling team was actually looking forward to competing for the AA State Championship. Now given the stupid move to 3 classes we are back to irrelevance. On a sdie note, Montini might have beaten St Rita 5 years ago in the regular season but that doesn't mean they would have beaten them (or made the state dual finals) at state. Just ask Mt Carmel who managed to beat St Rita this year in the reg season dual but lost in the Tm Sectionals.

[THE Grill Master]

Sanburg was nothing untill they got those transfers --give it up dude

[Pen_ultimate23]

Originally Posted by THE Grill Master

pikeboy,your opinion means nothing to montini fans --you dont know what you are talking about,i bet you worry about global warming also

From now on, before you post, I suggest that you actually take some time to think before typing. The majority of your posts are illogical and most of the time are flat out idiotic. You rarely make sense and then try to bring down other people because of their opinions. Learn a bit of respect and try and state your views in a way that isn't so condescending.

[Ace]

Originally Posted by Pen_ultimate23

From now on, before you post, I suggest that you actually take some time to think before typing. The majority of your posts are illogical and most of the time are flat out idiotic. You rarely make sense and then try to bring down other people because of their opinions. Learn a bit of respect and try and state your views in a way that isn't so condescending.

You the about the 100th person to tell GM that. So i think you are just fueling the Fire!

[RelentlessAttack]

Originally Posted by mckbln

First of all mckbln... that was with a team that had a few recruits if I may say so...

So what? Like I said, instead of whining about it, they (Carl Sandburg)found a way to win 3 state championships in a row and in the process become one of the best teams (and IMO THE best in 2005-06) in the country. It kind of reminds me about Darlington (Morris)bitching all those years about Joliet Catholic in football and then after he leaves Morris goes out and actually beats them. The bottom line is that Montini as a "Class A" team had been competing with and beating AA teams for years before they became AA themselves. While Montinis' basketball and football coaches were complaining about having to move up, the wrestling team was actually looking forward to competing for the AA State Championship. Now given the stupid move to 3 classes we are back to irrelevance. On a sdie note, Montini might have beaten St Rita 5 years ago in the regular season but that doesn't mean they would have beaten them (or made the state dual finals) at state. Just ask Mt Carmel who managed to beat St Rita this year in the reg season dual but lost in the Tm Sectionals.

I wasn't meaning to knock Sandburg, I just use them as an example. I don't think it's a problem they had transfers ( and in my opinoin, probably would have made the same move) I was just saying that it happens everywhere, not just in private schools. That was my point, I didn't mean to put them down and was happy to see them win state. Coach Polz is one amazing, accomplished coach.. gonna be interesting to see Siebert at the reigns.

[matador]

Originally Posted by sarah connor

I was told due too so many complaints, Montini is on the watch list and that the next guardianship transfer will be scrutinized.

EVERY transfer is scrutinized by the IHSA office.

Marty Hickman is not going single out Montini wrestling and treat those transfers any differently than he treats Schaumburg basketball transfers for example. I am not a lawyer (Jag, help me out here), but if the IHSA starts targeting individual schools by treating their transfers differently than that of other schools, the IHSA may be found liable of habeus corpus, a priori assumption, probatio vincit praesumptionea, or some other weird latin-legal term. : )

[sarah connor]

Originally Posted by matador

EVERY transfer is scrutinized by the IHSA office.

Marty Hickman is not going single out Montini wrestling and treat those transfers any differently than he treats Schaumburg basketball transfers for example. I am not a lawyer (Jag, help me out here), but if the IHSA starts targeting individual schools by treating their transfers differently than that of other schools, the IHSA may be found liable of habeus corpus, a priori assumption, probatio vincit praesumptionea, or some other weird latin-legal term. : )

I dont know about any of what you say, I was just told that they have a high percent of guardianship tranfers over the last five years , more than the average. They do have a standard screening process and dont react unless someone complains, I believe its the honor system from what I have been told. More complaints equal more work on their part.

[matador]

Originally Posted by IHSAWrestleFan

I have been against 'recruiting' in every sense of the term since it began here. I have recently accepted the fact that it happens, and there is nothing that I, or any of us, can do to stop it. I've made my point over and over again, and here it is for those of you that haven't heard it before.
Take a kid like Mikey B., the Beebes, Goebel.. and put them in their appropriate public school... what happens???? They win just as many state titles as they did with Montini (or another private school). So what you ask right? The other kids see that success, first hand now, and they want to be like Mike (or Mikey in this case). It's simple and it's true, success breeds success. It's a snowball effect... the ball gets rolling, and it gets bigger and bigger, just like these private schools have proven. It's just sad that the schools that don't 'recruit' as being negatively affected by the schools that do recruit.
Some of the Montini supporters have said "work harder"... so your kids work harder? I cannot and will no ever agree to that. Montini has built a tradition that is second to few, and they keep getting better and better, but it's not because of working harder. Most of these kids are ready the day they step in the wrestling room. They'd be that way no matter what color singlet they wear.
I have the utmost respect for Montini and all the schools that succeed like they have. Their coaches are great. Their kids are great... don't bring your program down by telling everyone else to work harder. Go about your business like true champions and just lay low.
Understand that all of us here are for the sport of wrestling, and we just want what we all individually think is best for the sport. Some think that 'recruitig' is wrong. Just accept our opinion and wrestle. When you win, win with class, when you lose, lose with more class.
Congratulations on your titile Montini. Congratulations to all these kids that have kicked their own asses to be where they are today.

IHSAWrestleFan - I strenuously object!

You honestly believe that good wrestlers coming into high school would be no better/worse off at one high school vs. another??? That is flat out wrong! Like everything in life, there are good options, bad options, and everything in between. The same is true of high school sports and wrestling in particular. There are good coaches and bad coaches, there are strong schedules and weak schedules, there are strong traditions and no traditions, there are strong practice rooms and weak practice rooms, there are dedicated coaches to the off season and non-dedicated coaches, there are high expectations and low expectations. The list goes on and on. If schools and coaches did not matter, why do a lot of the same schools continue to succeed year in and year out (Sandburg, Glenbard North, Montini, Providence, St. Rita, Libertyville, Grant, Wheaton North, Marist, Edwardsville, etc.)? Why do certain schools start to excel after a coaching change (ie Leyden)? You did get one thing right regarding the snowball effect. Success does breed success. Everyone wants to be part of a winner. Top teams benefit from this when kids become unhappy (for whatever reason) at their existing school. They see the results, the individual and team success, the scholarship athletes coming out of certain schools and they want to be a part of it. This is human nature. These top schools don't need to recruit because their results speak for themselves.

Next...you bring up the whole "work harder" mentality of a couple of the posters on this web site. First of all, you should never give credence to the vocal minority. The Monitni program is run by Coach Bukovsky, Glenbard North has Coach Hahn, Sandburg had Polz, etc. etc. etc. When a couple of "fans" state something on this message board, it IS NOT a statement by the program. Sometimes we lose sight of that. Secondly, some programs DO work harder (and smarter) than others. Yes, some schools receive more talent, but don't act like every program works as hard as the rest. I have been involved with multiple programs and I KNOW there are varied work levels. This includes in season and out of season.

You are against recruiting, I am against recruiting, we are all against recruiting. However, the start of this post was not about recruiting it was about Robertson transferring from Niles West to Montini. Everything I have heard is that the parents made a decision to transfer based on what they think is best for their kid. This is not recruiting.

[Lockness]

Originally Posted by THE Grill Master

pikeboy,your opinion means nothing to montini fans --you dont know what you are talking about,i bet you worry about global warming also

Great post, please, keep them coming. You are singlehandedly winning the crowd for Montini with intelligent posts like that.

Get a grip on life

[Lockness]

Originally Posted by maddog81

Nobody ever complained about Montini so called illegal tactics. Now that Montini more than likely will dominate IHSA wrestling for years to come all the other schools are complaining now.

Montini and recruiting have been talked about ever since I can remember on this site, certainly not just since they won their first AA title.