Heffernan Officially Named Head Coach

[ZBCOACH]

Don't worry lantern we know where the info comes from. I really don't understand why if you really don't care about Illinois wrestling (beside the Dwyers) why your here. If all I talked about was Green Bay football I wouldn't join a Chicago forum. All you talk about is Ohio, Penn, New Jersey, East Coast whatever. Then you offer up these off the wall statements about who dropped the ball and what this guy and that guy should do. I wonder why if you have all this information, why aren't you in a front office as an AD or head coach or any kind of power position to put your hearsay into action. I'm willing to bet you weren't around in the 70's to know how tough New York wrestling was nor did you ever wrestle in New York to make a personal statement about how tough it was.

[lauden swain]

Originally Posted by greenlantern

During Russ Helicksons tenure he couldnt keep most of the in state studs in state especially in the clevland area. The Jordan twins, Alan Fried, Joe Heskett, Marcus Mollica, Mike Kulzki, Andy Hrovat, Ryan Bertin, Mark Moos, Ryan Lang, Jeff Knupp, Yoshi Nakurma and many more.

Who are the "Jordan twins"?

Lauden

[freight-train]

Originally Posted by greenlantern

actaully one of ohios best wrestlers runs track chris phillps. Heres why the st ed pipeline is so important. During Russ Helicksons tenure he couldnt keep most of the in state studs in state especially in the clevland area. The Jordan twins....

Hey Genius,

Jim and Jeff Jordan didnt go to Ohio State because Russ Hellickson recruited them to Wisconsin!!! Hellickson was the head coach at Wisconsin when they wrestled in college.

[greenlantern]

someone on themat keeps saying wrestling was 10x tougher in the 70's than now which I dont believe. I do root for Illinois wrestlers but I also root for people who wrestle the way I like I am not a homer

[lauden swain]

Originally Posted by freight-train

Hey Genius,
Jim and Jeff Jordan didnt go to Ohio State because Russ Hellickson recruited them to Wisconsin!!! Hellickson was the head coach at Wisconsin when they wrestled in college.

It's not that big of a deal, but we all know that Jim and Jeff aren't twins, right? You're right, freight train, Hellickson did recruit them and Dave Schultz was an assistant at Wisconsin at the time. I think that Hellickson was there for the duration of Jim's tenure in Madison but Andy Rein came in before Jeff was gone. If I remember, Coach Ford was at Ohio State and they weren't doing very well. Hence Hellickson moving to Columbus.

Lauden

[greenlantern]

ill fix it to brothers

[Ace]

I gotta agree some what with GL here. I am not thrilled about the move with Heff, good coach, word has it the kids like him, but i just think they needed to go in a slightly different direction....But i guess time will tell.

[grapplingfan]

Nobody is claiming IL as the top folkstyle state, but it's a good one.


This lineup makes a few assumptions, but not unreasonable ones, and even if undone, it would be a very good team. If Illinois got only the top IL talent, that would make it one of the best in the country. Of course that would be stupid. Here is a possible lineup from last year. The White and Benefiel possibilities would assume the Illini landed them and kept them eligible, but 6 of these guys are current or past All-Americans (though Kennedy was at 133, but could prolly be moved to 141). Three of the other four (Blanton, White, and Benefiel) will likely be AA's, maybe even contenders, Fagiano might as well.
125 Precin 3rd
133 Dennis 7th
141 Kennedy 5th (at 133) or Prater R12
149 (White if he were eligible) otherwise? Terrazas?
157 Poeta 2nd
165 Dwyer
174 Dergo R12 (or maybe Benefiel if eligible)
184 Blanton
197 Fagiano
285 Wise 7th

[grapplingfan]

Forgot to mention: NCAA champion Iowa won 2009 NCAA's with 2 (or 3) in-state qualifiers/1 in-state AA.

Falck dnp (went to hs in MN -- Apple Valley)
Morningstar 3rd
Borschel dnp

Out of state:

Dennis 7th
Metcalf 2nd
Keddy 4th
Erekson 4th


So much for in-state

No two qualifiers came from the same high school (only two even came from the same state, or three if you count Falck)


So much for pipelines



Zero wrestlers on the entire roster come from PA, OH, NJ, NY or anywhere else east of MI.

Those are all great wrestling states, but obviously you don't have to recruit there to win a national title.


so much for our friend's pet theories


As for coaches, 5 of six were Hawk wrestlers via IA, MN, MT, one went to Oklahoma from Florida.