Ikwf state champs to high school state champs.

[mfvedad19]

I have noticed that only about half of the ikwf state champs ever win state in high school. Probably less than half. This goes to show you how you do in ikwf does not translate into how well you do in high school.

[Greenskin]

Originally Posted by mfvedad19

I have noticed that only about half of the ikwf state champs ever win state in high school. Probably less than half. This goes to show you how you do in ikwf does not translate into how well you do in high school.

I wouldn't come to that conclusion. It seems that IKWF state champs have a 50/50 chance of winning a high school state title compared to a kid who didn't capture an IKWF title. I'd take those odds in a heartbeat. It would be interesting to see how that broke out by weight classes. My guess is that because there are quite a few weight classes in IKWF below the lowest high school weight class that a lot of those IKWF state champs in the lower weights would be competing against each other at the lowest weight classes in high school. The result would be quite of few of those state champs not repeating in high school. I bet the odds of the heavier weight classes repeating in high school is better. Just a guess, though. I don't have any hard stats.

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by Greenskin

I wouldn't come to that conclusion. It seems that IKWF state champs have a 50/50 chance of winning a high school state title compared to a kid who didn't capture an IKWF title. I'd take those odds in a heartbeat. It would be interesting to see how that broke out by weight classes. My guess is that because there are quite a few weight classes in IKWF below the lowest high school weight class that a lot of those IKWF state champs in the lower weights would be competing against each other at the lowest weight classes in high school. The result would be quite of few of those state champs not repeating in high school. I bet the odds of the heavier weight classes repeating in high school is better. Just a guess, though. I don't have any hard stats.

It's actually the opposite. I have gone back through years of records and noticed a few things. 1) IKWF studs have a good head start for high school IF they continue to work hard; 2) anyone who works hard in high school, and who has some talent, can pass up the IKWF studs if they don't work hard; 3) The studs in the IKWF weights from 74 up to about 130 are the most likely to have high school success; 4) the heavier the IKWF weight classes, the lower the correlation is of IKWF success to IHSA success. I think there are a few reasons for that. Some of the big IKWF kids are men among boys; they matured faster at an earlier age; and other kids in high school catch up as they mature. Big guys in the IKWF don't have to wrestle like little guys (using quickness and technique) because they are usually stronger than others and more mature. There are exceptions, as always. When little guys get big, they wrestle like little guys, and that becomes tough for a big guy who could rely on strength to win in the IKWF. These are some reasons I think there is a lesser correlation of kids success to IHSA success in the bigger guys. I don't know if I am right about the reasons, but the correlation (or lack thereof) is borne out by the results if you take the time to go look.

[Greenskin]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

It's actually the opposite. I have gone back through years of records and noticed a few things. 1) IKWF studs have a good head start for high school IF they continue to work hard; 2) anyone who works hard in high school, and who has some talent, can pass up the IKWF studs if they don't work hard; 3) The studs in the IKWF weights from 74 up to about 130 are the most likely to have high school success; 4) the heavier the IKWF weight classes, the lower the correlation is of IKWF success to IHSA success. I think there are a few reasons for that. Some of the big IKWF kids are men among boys; they matured faster at an earlier age; and other kids in high school catch up as they mature. Big guys in the IKWF don't have to wrestle like little guys (using quickness and technique) because they are usually stronger than others and more mature. There are exceptions, as always. When little guys get big, they wrestle like little guys, and that becomes tough for a big guy who could rely on strength to win in the IKWF. These are some reasons I think there is a lesser correlation of kids success to IHSA success in the bigger guys. I don't know if I am right about the reasons, but the correlation (or lack thereof) is borne out by the results if you take the time to go look.

I can't argue with you there. I also think a lot of the bigger guys get heavy into football which hurts their chances. I was really thinking more about the middle weights but it looks like that doesn't even hold true. I'll still stand by my point that your odds of winning in high school are still pretty good if you won an IKWF title.

[Pirate Pride]

Originally Posted by mfvedad19

I have noticed that only about half of the ikwf state champs ever win state in high school. Probably less than half. This goes to show you how you do in ikwf does not translate into how well you do in high school.

Your methodolgy is totally flawed!!! Being a state champ in IKWF is just as hard as winning it IHSA. So the most IKWF placewinners have a really good chance of winning IHSA state.

I think the better way to look at is.... what is the % of IKWF wrestlers win IHSA state, moreover place at state.

I would say at least 85% of IHSA champs/placewinners had success in IKWF. IKWF is the feeding ground and is much attributable to the success of high school wrestling.

[goodcoachfan]

Let's talk about some big name hs wrestlers and how they did as kids. Guys like Albert White, Mikey B., Spangler, Morrison, Ramos Bros, C Polz, Elias Larsen, Garrett Goebel, Izzy, Gilbert, Joe Williams, Tony Davis, Sean Bormet

[Hwt_Wrestler]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

It's actually the opposite. I have gone back through years of records and noticed a few things. 1) IKWF studs have a good head start for high school IF they continue to work hard; 2) anyone who works hard in high school, and who has some talent, can pass up the IKWF studs if they don't work hard; 3) The studs in the IKWF weights from 74 up to about 130 are the most likely to have high school success; 4) the heavier the IKWF weight classes, the lower the correlation is of IKWF success to IHSA success. I think there are a few reasons for that. Some of the big IKWF kids are men among boys; they matured faster at an earlier age; and other kids in high school catch up as they mature. Big guys in the IKWF don't have to wrestle like little guys (using quickness and technique) because they are usually stronger than others and more mature. There are exceptions, as always. When little guys get big, they wrestle like little guys, and that becomes tough for a big guy who could rely on strength to win in the IKWF. These are some reasons I think there is a lesser correlation of kids success to IHSA success in the bigger guys. I don't know if I am right about the reasons, but the correlation (or lack thereof) is borne out by the results if you take the time to go look.

This is true but also MOST of the heavy weights play football and some may not so they have a long time period while others play football to catch up and alot of good upper weights get hurt in football season

[wrestlingnut]

Stats are always interesting. If you took all the state champs in the IKWF and then the percentage of them that resulted in becoming a state champ in high school and compared that to the percentage of everyone who wrestled in the IKWF and failed short of being an IKWF state champ, but became a HS champ I am convinced the ratio would be impressive.

The conclusion would be battaining a championship at the IKWF level does not ensure reaching that level at high school, but it greatly improves the chances over those who wrestled in the IKWF and didn't.

[tigercoach]

Originally Posted by mfvedad19

I have noticed that only about half of the ikwf state champs ever win state in high school. Probably less than half. This goes to show you how you do in ikwf does not translate into how well you do in high school.

There are 35 IKWF state champions each year. Up until last year, there were only 28 IHSA state champions --- now there are 42 IHSA weight classes between the 3 classes. I've always been impressed with the number of IHSA state champions who also had success in the IKWF --- With the additional high school weight classes, I think those number will only increase.

[Maximus]

This is an interesting topic. In general, I'd say success in the IKWF does translate to success in the IHSA. Speaking as a parent of a 2X IKWF State Champ, he may never win an IHSA State title but, I would say he has had succsess(5th in 08 and 4th in 09). For what it's worth, in 2008 at 103 the 6 kids on the podium were all former IKWF State Champs.

With the 3 class system I believe we're going to see more 4Xers and more former IKWF State Champs winning IHSA State titles.