Ikwf state champs to high school state champs.

[Greenskin]

Originally Posted by Maximus

This is an interesting topic. In general, I'd say success in the IKWF does translate to success in the IHSA. Speaking as a parent of a 2X IKWF State Champ, he may never win an IHSA State title but, I would say he has had succsess(5th in 08 and 4th in 09). For what it's worth, in 2008 at 103 the 6 kids on the podium were all former IKWF State Champs.

With the 3 class system I believe we're going to see more 4Xers and more former IKWF State Champs winning IHSA State titles.

Six state champs on the podium at 103lbs. That's exactly what I was talking about at the lighter weights.

[ghettocowboy]

the reason some or many ikwf state champs do not do well in high school is because many of them are more developed than the kids they wrestle. they matured faster and are stronger. if you are strong enough in ikwf you can basically win state strictly off of knowing a few moves and using your demanding strength over the others. once they get to high school they no longer have an advantage or as much of an advantage with strength and they have trouble adjusting to that.

[journeyman]

Originally Posted by ghettocowboy

the reason some or many ikwf state champs do not do well in high school is because many of them are more developed than the kids they wrestle. they matured faster and are stronger. if you are strong enough in ikwf you can basically win state strictly off of knowing a few moves and using your demanding strength over the others. once they get to high school they no longer have an advantage or as much of an advantage with strength and they have trouble adjusting to that.

I agree cowboy
I think after maturity it's about work ethnic. The super stars like the ramos bros Williams Morrison continued successfully in high school by working hard.not saying they didn't work hard but Brendan Murphy 4x ikwf champ or uccardi 3x champ doesn't mean success in high school

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by ghettocowboy

the reason some or many ikwf state champs do not do well in high school is because many of them are more developed than the kids they wrestle. they matured faster and are stronger. if you are strong enough in ikwf you can basically win state strictly off of knowing a few moves and using your demanding strength over the others. once they get to high school they no longer have an advantage or as much of an advantage with strength and they have trouble adjusting to that.

I think that is partly true, and it more true as the weights go up. For one thing I have noticed that around 130 pounds or so, there are a few kids who are very mature, who do not stray much from that weight even in high school. They were basically done growing as freshmen or so. That is a small minority of kids, but they tend to have been very good kids wrestlers. There are other kids who continue growing even after high school. The biggest thing I have noticed is that IKWF success is a good indicator of potential high school success, but there are things along the way that prevent that potential from becoming a reality. One is the maturity thing - if a wrestler's success is due primarily to greater maturity and physical strength, other wrestlers will mature and catch up. Another thing is burn out - wrestlers who were pushed hard as kids sometimes "burn out" in high school if they were pushed harder than they wanted to go. Some wrestlers just are not willing to keep working as hard as they did when they were kids and get distracted by girls, wanting to have fun, getting into trouble, etc. Some wrestlers never had to work hard as kids; they relied on natural talent and/or strength. If those wrestlers never learned to work hard, others will catch up and pass them by. On the other hand, a kid who was a good wrestler before high school, who continues to work hard through high school, is bound to have success.

[journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

I think that is partly true, and it more true as the weights go up. For one thing I have noticed that around 130 pounds or so, there are a few kids who are very mature, who do not stray much from that weight even in high school. They were basically done growing as freshmen or so. That is a small minority of kids, but they tend to have been very good kids wrestlers. There are other kids who continue growing even after high school. The biggest thing I have noticed is that IKWF success is a good indicator of potential high school success, but there are things along the way that prevent that potential from becoming a reality. One is the maturity thing - if a wrestler's success is due primarily to greater maturity and physical strength, other wrestlers will mature and catch up. Another thing is burn out - wrestlers who were pushed hard as kids sometimes "burn out" in high school if they were pushed harder than they wanted to go. Some wrestlers just are not willing to keep working as hard as they did when they were kids and get distracted by girls, wanting to have fun, getting into trouble, etc. Some wrestlers never had to work hard as kids; they relied on natural talent and/or strength. If those wrestlers never learned to work hard, others will catch up and pass them by. On the other hand, a kid who was a good wrestler before high school, who continues to work hard through high school, is bound to have success.

I believe in that my boys had success in ikwf but never a Championship.through hard work and dedication they have achieved great success with one ihsa champion.I also believe when winning becomes easy at a young age the adjustment of not winning with maturity can knock kids out of the game

[WRFAN99]

Originally Posted by journeyman

I agree cowboy
I think after maturity it's about work ethnic. The super stars like the ramos bros Williams Morrison continued successfully in high school by working hard.not saying they didn't work hard but Brendan Murphy 4x ikwf champ or uccardi 3x champ doesn't mean success in high school

Agree both those kids were at a weight that had two kids in the finals that did not wrestle IKWF (Fanta & Schnider). Fanta never even placed in IESA. High school has a mental part of it that you never know who has it until they are their

[MR.VOLCANO]

I truly believe that high school comes down to the hard work. If you work harder than a ikwf state champ, you can beat him in high school.(if you got your mind right.) High school is where every athlete should work their hardest. Sure it's nice to have a ikwf state
Title, but you got to work harder than you did in ikwf to win a ihsa state title.

[colonel kurtz]

I would be interested to see how many of the kids that have wrestled IKWF deal with burnout during highschool.
I guess it would be hard to measure but id like to see

[raslindad]

Originally Posted by Maximus

This is an interesting topic. In general, I'd say success in the IKWF does translate to success in the IHSA. Speaking as a parent of a 2X IKWF State Champ, he may never win an IHSA State title but, I would say he has had succsess(5th in 08 and 4th in 09). For what it's worth, in 2008 at 103 the 6 kids on the podium were all former IKWF State Champs.

With the 3 class system I believe we're going to see more 4Xers and more former IKWF State Champs winning IHSA State titles.

Don't give up yet Tony!

He still has one more shot!

[WRFAN99]

Originally Posted by MR.VOLCANO

I truly believe that high school comes down to the hard work. If you work harder than a ikwf state champ, you can beat him in high school.(if you got your mind right.) High school is where every athlete should work their hardest. Sure it's nice to have a ikwf state
Title, but you got to work harder than you did in ikwf to win a ihsa state title.

Hard work can close the gap with IKWF kids but if you have a hard working IKWF kid (Ramos/Blanton) you may not catch him in 4 years of high school.