Ikwf state champs to high school state champs.

[journeyman]

Originally Posted by raslindad

Don't give up yet Tony!

He still has one more shot!

Would a 2x ikwf champ trade his younger success for one ihsa championship

[Greenskin]

Originally Posted by journeyman

Would a 2x ikwf champ trade his younger success for one ihsa championship

I would in a heartbeat! But then again, I don't have two IKWF titles.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by journeyman

Would a 2x ikwf champ trade his younger success for one ihsa championship

I'd have to ask him... but I think he would. Although, those years(with LCWC) were pretty special. He might say "no". He will also remind me that he still has one year left to get his IHSA State Championship.

For the kids who do have both(IKWF/IHSA State Titles), they all have my respect. It's no easy task...

[tigercoach]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

I think that is partly true, and it more true as the weights go up. For one thing I have noticed that around 130 pounds or so, there are a few kids who are very mature, who do not stray much from that weight even in high school. They were basically done growing as freshmen or so. That is a small minority of kids, but they tend to have been very good kids wrestlers. There are other kids who continue growing even after high school. The biggest thing I have noticed is that IKWF success is a good indicator of potential high school success, but there are things along the way that prevent that potential from becoming a reality. One is the maturity thing - if a wrestler's success is due primarily to greater maturity and physical strength, other wrestlers will mature and catch up. Another thing is burn out - wrestlers who were pushed hard as kids sometimes "burn out" in high school if they were pushed harder than they wanted to go. Some wrestlers just are not willing to keep working as hard as they did when they were kids and get distracted by girls, wanting to have fun, getting into trouble, etc. Some wrestlers never had to work hard as kids; they relied on natural talent and/or strength. If those wrestlers never learned to work hard, others will catch up and pass them by. On the other hand, a kid who was a good wrestler before high school, who continues to work hard through high school, is bound to have success.

Generalizations are funny to me --- One of the best youth wrestlers to come out of the central part of the state in a long time, Dylan Reel, was a 156 lbs. IKWF state champ as an 8th grader and an IHSA state champion at a SR dominated weight class as a freshman. There were several 130+ lbs. IKWF wrestlers from last year's state tournament who wrestled at the IHSA state tournament in all 3 classes this year as freshmen. There are also a few 130+ lbs. wrestlers that I see having what it takes to make a good impact in HS as freshmen next year.

[journeyman]

Originally Posted by Maximus

I'd have to ask him... but I think he would. Although, those years(with LCWC) were pretty special. He might say "no". He will also remind me that he still has one year left to get his IHSA State Championship.

For the kids who do have both(IKWF/IHSA State Titles), they all have my respect. It's no easy task...

I agree seth should be one of the favourites tough boy was fun watching him wrestle in ikwf

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by tigercoach

Generalizations are funny to me --- One of the best youth wrestlers to come out of the central part of the state in a long time, Dylan Reel, was a 156 lbs. IKWF state champ as an 8th grader and an IHSA state champion at a SR dominated weight class as a freshman. There were several 130+ lbs. IKWF wrestlers from last year's state tournament who wrestled at the IHSA state tournament in all 3 classes this year as freshmen. There are also a few 130+ lbs. wrestlers that I see having what it takes to make a good impact in HS as freshmen next year.

There are always exceptions to the rule. From my research, 130 (IKWF) is about the highest weight that there is a good correlation between kids and high school success.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by journeyman

Would a 2x ikwf champ trade his younger success for one ihsa championship

Without hesitation he said "yes".

[BIRDMAN66]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

There are always exceptions to the rule. From my research, 130 (IKWF) is about the highest weight that there is a good correlation between kids and high school success.

Thanks for including me in your research

[ctdad]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

There are always exceptions to the rule. From my research, 130 (IKWF) is about the highest weight that there is a good correlation between kids and high school success.

Now I'm not one to define success as only winning state titles. There are just too many variables that go into that, and as I once pointed out, if you lost to Joe Wiiliams four years in a row in the state finals by 1 point each time and those were the only losses you ever had, would you not be considered successful?

Just to back Jaguar up here, of all the 3 and 4 time IHSA champs, only Jordan Blanton (152) won his first title at anything resembling a middle to upper weight. I think the Williams brothers were at 135, most everyone else was 103-119. And as an example of how things can change, Mike Benefiel won his first at 119 and basically added about 15-20 lbs per year until he won his 4th at 171.

Being a state champ takes 3 things. You have to be have skill, you have to work hard and you need some luck. You can't get sick the wrong weekend, or get hurt. And once in a while there will be a guy who's better than you in your weight class. You might win the one above or below, but that's not where you were that year.

[Pirate Pride]

Originally Posted by ctdad

Now I'm not one to define success as only winning state titles. There are just too many variables that go into that, and as I once pointed out, if you lost to Joe Wiiliams four years in a row in the state finals by 1 point each time and those were the only losses you ever had, would you not be considered successful?

Just to back Jaguar up here, of all the 3 and 4 time IHSA champs, only Jordan Blanton (152) won his first title at anything resembling a middle to upper weight. I think the Williams brothers were at 135, most everyone else was 103-119. And as an example of how things can change, Mike Benefiel won his first at 119 and basically added about 15-20 lbs per year until he won his 4th at 171.

Being a state champ takes 3 things. You have to be have skill, you have to work hard and you need some luck. You can't get sick the wrong weekend, or get hurt. And once in a while there will be a guy who's better than you in your weight class. You might win the one above or below, but that's not where you were that year.

I agree!! It's easier for IKWF kids to have more success in the lower IHSA weights in their freshman/soph years, thus putting themselves a better position to win state multiple times or being a mutiple placewinner. Kudos to Blanton for being out of the norm!! Also, I would put both Williams brothers in the "Blanton category". I would not consider 135 a lower weight, in which both brothers won state at 135 their freshman years.