Ikwf state champs to high school state champs.

[Mr. White]

Originally Posted by Pirate Pride

I agree!! It's easier for IKWF kids to have more success in the lower IHSA weights in their freshman/soph years, thus putting themselves a better position to win state multiple times or being a mutiple placewinner. Kudos to Blanton for being out of the norm!! Also, I would put both Williams brothers in the "Blanton category". I would not consider 135 a lower weight, in which both brothers won state at 135 their freshman years.

Don't forget Albert White, champ at 135 as a freshman.

[ctdad]

Originally Posted by Pirate Pride

I agree!! It's easier for IKWF kids to have more success in the lower IHSA weights in their freshman/soph years, thus putting themselves a better position to win state multiple times or being a mutiple placewinner. Kudos to Blanton for being out of the norm!! Also, I would put both Williams brothers in the "Blanton category". I would not consider 135 a lower weight, in which both brothers won state at 135 their freshman years.

To me, 135 is borderline, but I could concede it a middle. I'm always looking at these things from my view, I passed 135 somewhere around 5th grade, and both my sons went through there in 7th grade, so it seems small to me.

Still, Blanton's first crown was 3 weights up from there. That was new territory. Reel is on his heels at 145.

I've said it before, but the most impressive string might have been Garrett Goebel's 3,5,1,1 at 215 and 275/285. That is astounding. It will be interesting to see what Gage Harrah does after his 3rd place finish at 215 this year as a frosh.

Originally Posted by Mr. White

Don't forget Albert White, champ at 135 as a freshman.

Didn't mean to forget him, the Williams brothers popped into my head as I was typing.

[tigercoach]

I think its mostly a numbers game. Immediate success in HS is much more attainable for the littler guys in that if a kid comes into HS at the first 2 or 3 weights, as they are wrestling against mostly other underclassmen. I agree that if a kid enters their freshman year in the middle to upper weights, it is much more difficult to experience immediate success (within the first couple of years). However, there are many many examples of kids who weigh 130+ lbs. as 8th graders who eventually experience very high levels of HS success (by their JR or SR years). I don't think that you have to be a 3 or 4 time HS champ to be able to consider yourself as having achieved very good HS success --- although I agree it is a hugely impressive accomplishment (and an exception to the rule) when you do have a mid-to-upper weight freshman show immediate success in high school. I do also believe that with the 3rd class being added, you will see more mid-to-upper weight freshmen & sophs having earlier successes.

[Pirate Pride]

Interesting fact... looking at the freshman who placed during 1990-1994 (my era on the mat)....

1990: Joe Williams - Won state
1991: Mark Bybee placed 2nd at 103; Ben Gerdes placed 3rd at 112
1992: Ryan Root placed 5th at 152. Note Joe Williams won the weight
1993: Cisco Bermudez 3rd at 103. T.J Williams state champ
1994: Darnell Lolis 2nd at 103.

All these wrestlers had great success in IKWF which was the factor to their success as Freshman.

[PapaBearSLIM]

I think he could have won IKWF this past season at any weight from 130 to 156. Any one no what school he will be looking to be a 4xmer at next year?

[Greenskin]

Originally Posted by PapaBearSLIM

I think he could have won IKWF this past season at any weight from 130 to 156. Any one no what school he will be looking to be a 4xmer at next year?

I saw this kid wrestle about six times at the Iowa National Duals for Team Illinois. He is really something special and has a great combination of physical skills, aggressiveness and technique. Sometimes, though, he wrestles a little out of control and it gets him into trouble. I agree that he would have had success across weight classes, but I don't think he would beat Ellingwood. Anyway, I really enjoyed watching him. His style is great for the sport!

[PapaBearSLIM]

Originally Posted by Greenskin

but I don't think he would beat Ellingwood.

Would be close but...

[iesaisbetterthanikwf]

Originally Posted by mfvedad19

I have noticed that only about half of the ikwf state champs ever win state in high school. Probably less than half. This goes to show you how you do in ikwf does not translate into how well you do in high school.

yea cause we all know iesa kids work the ikwf kids in high school

[Greenskin]

Originally Posted by PapaBearSLIM

Would be close but...

How about Mammen? I haven't seen him wrestle as much but I think that would be a tough match for Georgian to win as well. Probably 3 future state high school champs. Georgian, Mammen, Ellingwood

[PapaBearSLIM]

Originally Posted by Greenskin

How about Mammen? I haven't seen him wrestle as much but I think that would be a tough match for Georgian to win as well. Probably 3 future state high school champs. Georgian, Mammen, Ellingwood

I actually think Mammen would give Georgean a tougher matchup than Ellingwood. Not saying that Mammen is better than Ellingwood, but Mammen's length would pose a problem for Georgean.

Where are those 3 going to school?