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[mckbln]

Originally Posted by Hanging out in Cali

That is very interesting. I thought I was talking about the current and future parents at Marmion. I also thought that I referred to conversations I had in person with these individuals. I believe I clearly stated the reasons they gave me in our conversation. I am glad that your knowledge of people's postings over the past 10 years has set me straight. I must have completely misunderstood them. I do not know to whom you are referring, but my comments have to do with people that I know well and have known for years. They were honest and cited wrestling as one of their reasons as I stated and the Catholic part was not their cited reason. They cited a good education, studious student body and no girls as others. I personally would never come on this website and explain the reasons for the choices I make for my children. I do not feel that other people need to do the same. Lastly, I think parents taking wrestling or any other sport into consideration for a child that has a tremendous talent for it is certainly part of most parents deliberation in making school choices. I am sure you could probably find just as many kids who went to public school and got in trouble, quit college, or quit wrestling. I support any parent to make the choices they believe will be in the best interest of their kids even if it does not pan out. I guess we will agree to disagree on this.

Hey Pitts...how the hell are ya these days????????

[Hanging out in Cali]

Originally Posted by mckbln

Hey Pitts...how the hell are ya these days????????

He is Illifornia. I know of you, Mac, but I will make a point to introduce myself when I see you next.

[mckbln]

Originally Posted by Hanging out in Cali

He is Illifornia. I know of you, Mac, but I will make a point to introduce myself when I see you next.

Ah...looking forward to it.

[Ive Wrestled B4]

Not sure how this became a discussion about privates vs. public recruiting, but I will weigh in.

I have no issue with the privates being able to draw kids from a much larger geographic area. I understand that some parents and their kids are interested in attending certain schools for various reasons. My opinion is that these schools should compete for state titles against similar schools. This is done in other states without hurting the athletes or the state tournaments. In other states, these schools compete in the prep state championships and then compete in the prep national championships.

Why can this not be done in Illinois?

The argument that Sandburg, OPRF, Glenbard North, and Minooka have been able to compete in recent years is not good enough for me. Kids moving into school districts to attend a different public school are a separate issue. (For the record I feel that these transfers should be thoroughly investigated for violations) A school being able to get kids from 3 and 4 school districts away is blatantly unfair.

Send your kid to a private or a public school as you see fit, but don't attempt to paint both groups with the same brush and call it fair.

[Acer00]

Originally Posted by Ive Wrestled B4

Not sure how this became a discussion about privates vs. public recruiting, but I will weigh in.

I have no issue with the privates being able to draw kids from a much larger geographic area. I understand that some parents and their kids are interested in attending certain schools for various reasons. My opinion is that these schools should compete for state titles against similar schools. This is done in other states without hurting the athletes or the state tournaments. In other states, these schools compete in the prep state championships and then compete in the prep national championships.

Why can this not be done in Illinois?

The argument that Sandburg, OPRF, Glenbard North, and Minooka have been able to compete in recent years is not good enough for me. Kids moving into school districts to attend a different public school are a separate issue. (For the record I feel that these transfers should be thoroughly investigated for violations) A school being able to get kids from 3 and 4 school districts away is blatantly unfair.

Send your kid to a private or a public school as you see fit, but don't attempt to paint both groups with the same brush and call it fair.

Agreed. Even though there is public school recruiting...the scale of which they do it fails in comparison. In addition, it doesn't stop at kids 3-4 school districts away. It extends beyond state borders as well.

[Old Fox]

Originally Posted by Acer00

Agreed. Even though there is public school recruiting...the scale of which they do it fails in comparison. In addition, it doesn't stop at kids 3-4 school districts away. It extends beyond state borders as well.

This is something IHSA has to address sooner or later, its out of control

[Cubs84]

Originally Posted by Ive Wrestled B4

Not sure how this became a discussion about privates vs. public recruiting, but I will weigh in.

I have no issue with the privates being able to draw kids from a much larger geographic area. I understand that some parents and their kids are interested in attending certain schools for various reasons. My opinion is that these schools should compete for state titles against similar schools. This is done in other states without hurting the athletes or the state tournaments. In other states, these schools compete in the prep state championships and then compete in the prep national championships.

Why can this not be done in Illinois?

The argument that Sandburg, OPRF, Glenbard North, and Minooka have been able to compete in recent years is not good enough for me. Kids moving into school districts to attend a different public school are a separate issue. (For the record I feel that these transfers should be thoroughly investigated for violations) A school being able to get kids from 3 and 4 school districts away is blatantly unfair.

Send your kid to a private or a public school as you see fit, but don't attempt to paint both groups with the same brush and call it fair.

what will people complain about when they lose? Oh I guess they can blame the ref or their coach or say its not fair cuz suburban schools have more money or SOMETHING but it will never stop that's for sure.

[cementjob]

Originally Posted by Cubs84

what will people complain about when they lose? Oh I guess they can blame the ref or their coach or say its not fair cuz suburban schools have more money or SOMETHING but it will never stop that's for sure.

My question for the private school supporters (only because they have specific knowledge of a private school and the change would effect them) is what would be the down fall of doing the suggested way. Other states do it and it works.
What do you see as the downside?

[Cubs84]

Originally Posted by cementjob

My question for the private school supporters (only because they have specific knowledge of a private school and the change would effect them) is what would be the down fall of doing the suggested way. Other states do it and it works.
What do you see as the downside?

Remember the GBN Montini Dual? That would have never happenned. Maybe Im selfish but what a rivalry and who would really be the best? Other than that I don't see a downside but there would still be continued complaining. Just like football. One private school won this year and I have already seen people complain about Wheaton and Maine South and how something needs to be done about them. The common denominator is noone ever admits someone is better. There is always an excuse and blame. Unlike a coach or program who goes out and competes by doing everything within the guidelines (move ins transfers etc but legally)

[cementjob]

Originally Posted by Cubs84

Remember the GBN Montini Dual? That would have never happenned. Maybe Im selfish but what a rivalry and who would really be the best? Other than that I don't see a downside but there would still be continued complaining. Just like football. One private school won this year and I have already seen people complain about Wheaton and Maine South and how something needs to be done about them. The common denominator is noone ever admits someone is better. There is always an excuse and blame. Unlike a coach or program who goes out and competes by doing everything within the guidelines (move ins transfers etc but legally)

Yes, but those duals could still happen. Coaches would have to seek out the competition for their schedules as many of them do now. I would consider it very respectable to have the public schools begging to get the competition of the high level privates if the separation were to ever happen.
The private schools would still be able to compete in any tournament they would like just not the IHSA series. It opens up the season a bit for the Privates to get out and see even more of the Prep schools across the country, and then of course National Preps.
And if schools such as Montini find they are not getting the competition they need or deserve by missing out on the state series then they would of course be welcomed back with open arms with the stipulation that they operate under the EXACT same guidelines that public schools do.

I do not think that people have trouble admitting when someone is better BUT I think it is harder to swallow the pill when you are building a program and not working with the same clay. If one program gets perks and benefits based on being a private school then yes some of the publics have hard time equating the situations.