Southern Hospitality ???

[Wyshman]

The E-ville Sectionals were tough enough with a lot of great wrestling from all, but it is a shame some of the refs ruin the dreams of kids and it seemed blantant at times. So much so in the final rounds that the refs were remixed because of the obvious sided calls going to the home field on matts 1 and 3 in the semi final rounds. Obviously in the final rounds all wrestlers were going to U.I. including my kid. The kids that got bounced out because of the 2 refs I feel bad for... one match the refs said the SCORERS agreed with their ruled call on a take down with TWO seconds remaining??? I didn't know the time keepers/scorers are allowed to make a call, especially with two refs supposedly watching the wrestling and the clock (I didn't know this wrestler). Just a shame some got screwed out of a fair match when it matters the most.....

[bigvern77]

Originally Posted by Wyshman

The E-ville Sectionals were tough enough with a lot of great wrestling from all, but it is a shame some of the refs ruin the dreams of kids and it seemed blantant at times. So much so in the final rounds that the refs were remixed because of the obvious sided calls going to the home field on matts 1 and 3 in the semi final rounds. Obviously in the final rounds all wrestlers were going to U.I. including my kid. The kids that got bounced out because of the 2 refs I feel bad for... one match the refs said the SCORERS agreed with their ruled call on a take down with TWO seconds remaining??? I didn't know the time keepers/scorers are allowed to make a call, especially with two refs supposedly watching the wrestling and the clock (I didn't know this wrestler). Just a shame some got screwed out of a fair match when it matters the most.....

I wasn't there but I have heard the same thing from MUTIPLE people. If it really was the case, that is a shame! Usually this is NOT the case! The refs usually do a great job and are generally fair. I am wondering specifically what happened and to whom? I haven 't really heard specific examples. Not trying to start anything just wondering what exactly happened since I wasn't there.

[Wyshman]

I would like to elaborate on specific match's and definitely could but I don't want to mention any wrestlers for fear they would be remembered at U.I. It really doesn't matter now with what happened with the obvious already in place, and I don't want to expose anyone that got screwed that is still in the race...though some decissions changed the real of what should have been. I guess it is the way life is... just hate seeing the kids get the bad deals when they give their all...Some refs need to grow up, look in the mirror, or just get the hell out!

[Mr. White]

Come on now. Go ahead and name the matches. I would like to know because I was not there on Saturday. I watched Friday night and I saw fair officiating. Of all those matches I never thought anyone got a bad shake. Some of the fans I heard probably would complain though because judging by what they were yelling, they had no idea what they were talking about and always thought their guy was getting screwed. Was I sitting anywhere near you?

[Rebel]

Originally Posted by Mr. White

Come on now. Go ahead and name the matches. I would like to know because I was not there on Saturday. I watched Friday night and I saw fair officiating. Of all those matches I never thought anyone got a bad shake. Some of the fans I heard probably would complain though because judging by what they were yelling, they had no idea what they were talking about and always thought their guy was getting screwed. Was I sitting anywhere near you?

I was there both days and thought the officiating was solid for both days.

Better than what I have seen up North.

I'm guessing the match under discussion was Zabel ve Ambrose. Looked like Zabel got a late one, but than denied.

[Wyshman]

As I said I didn't know the wrestlers, nor did it matter. If you were there and saw it you know what went on at times. I gave the reasoning and obviously the refs were switched to calm things down. North/South doesn't matter...try and get the call right... the what surely seemed to be favored calls should NOT happen at that stage of game/season....end of story... for now. Sectionals are done.

[next]

I was at the Edwardsville sectional Fri and Sat and saw nothing slanted North or South but I did see some weak officiating at times. But the same could be said of the officiating last year when the Sectional was at Lincolnway.

The best way to avoid poor officiating is to score enough points to take the match out of the refs hands. but when you wrestle a match to win 2-1 in overtime sometimes the ref will make the difference.

[GOHARDorGOHOME]

Originally Posted by Wyshman

As I said I didn't know the wrestlers, nor did it matter. If you were there and saw it you know what went on at times. I gave the reasoning and obviously the refs were switched to calm things down. North/South doesn't matter...try and get the call right... the what surely seemed to be favored calls should NOT happen at that stage of game/season....end of story... for now. Sectionals are done.

Honestly, if you can see the action so great from the stands, you will see it all the better on the mat. PLEASE, register with the IHSA and get your officials license so this will never happen again. As we all know, the fans know the rules much better than our sectional and state officials, so lets do something about it!

[Southern_Hospitality]

Originally Posted by Wyshman

The E-ville Sectionals were tough enough with a lot of great wrestling from all, but it is a shame some of the refs ruin the dreams of kids and it seemed blantant at times. So much so in the final rounds that the refs were remixed because of the obvious sided calls going to the home field on matts 1 and 3 in the semi final rounds. Obviously in the final rounds all wrestlers were going to U.I. including my kid. The kids that got bounced out because of the 2 refs I feel bad for... one match the refs said the SCORERS agreed with their ruled call on a take down with TWO seconds remaining??? I didn't know the time keepers/scorers are allowed to make a call, especially with two refs supposedly watching the wrestling and the clock (I didn't know this wrestler). Just a shame some got screwed out of a fair match when it matters the most.....

Why don't you try reffing before complaining about the refs because it is not as easy as you think? Yes, I been reffing for two years and I can honestly say I have good days and some very bad days. Ever since I started reffing, I have more respect for them now because they are the ones getting yelled at or boo at no matter what the call is. You are always going have people complaining about the judgement calls the refs make. Why don't you try it before you rip them behind a computer screen?

Honestly, I am not taking much stock in your argument because you have only made 3 post on this forum and they are all in this thread.

PS: Why did you pick Southern Hospitality title for this thread? Honestly, there was only one official from the south there.

[Mr. White]

He still won't name the matches. What's the matter, afraid somebody unbiased will disagree with you?