Seed teams in each sectional

[eagle]

I suggested this last year and still think it is the best way to go.

This will not fix everything but it would help. It would keep geographic balance but get the two best teams in each sectional down state.

Let the IHSA assign the 40 (or so) teams to the sectional. Then seed the top 16 teams in each sectional (similar to basketball).

Regional A would have the 1, 8, 9, and 16 seeded teams
Regional B would have the 2, 7, 10, and 15 seeded teams
Regional C would have the 3, 6, 11, and 14 seeded teams
Regional D would have the 4, 5, 12, and 13 seeded teams

The other 24 teams would be placed in each regional by geography.

This would separate the top teams in the regional and give some balance to the regionals. This would eliminate one regional being way tougher than the other 3 in a sectional

For dual meet purposes The winner of A would wrestle the winner of D
The winner of B would wrestle the winner of C

This would allow for the best chance to have the two best teams in each sectional at the state tournament. (Sandburg and Marist would not be in the same regional and both would have a chance to qualify for state)

[crazyrunner1215]

Originally Posted by eagle

I suggested this last year and still think it is the best way to go.

This will not fix everything but it would help. It would keep geographic balance but get the two best teams in each sectional down state.

Let the IHSA assign the 40 (or so) teams to the sectional. Then seed the top 16 teams in each sectional (similar to basketball).

Regional A would have the 1, 8, 9, and 16 seeded teams
Regional B would have the 2, 7, 10, and 15 seeded teams
Regional C would have the 3, 6, 11, and 14 seeded teams
Regional D would have the 4, 5, 12, and 13 seeded teams

The other 24 teams would be placed in each regional by geography.

This would separate the top teams in the regional and give some balance to the regionals. This would eliminate one regional being way tougher than the other 3 in a sectional

For dual meet purposes The winner of A would wrestle the winner of D
The winner of B would wrestle the winner of C

This would allow for the best chance to have the two best teams in each sectional at the state tournament. (Sandburg and Marist would not be in the same regional and both would have a chance to qualify for state)

Let's just assume (and this is certainly not the case) that one of the top 16 teams is not from the St. Louis region. Are you going to send a school from northern Illinois down to St. Louis for a regional? Or have those teams travel 4+ hours to get to a regional?

This idea may work for 3A because a majority of the teams are in Northern Illinois, but what about 2A and 1A who have similar issues, but are more spread out?

[deuce_19]

Originally Posted by crazyrunner1215

Let's just assume (and this is certainly not the case) that one of the top 16 teams is not from the St. Louis region. Are you going to send a school from northern Illinois down to St. Louis for a regional? Or have those teams travel 4+ hours to get to a regional?

This idea may work for 3A because a majority of the teams are in Northern Illinois, but what about 2A and 1A who have similar issues, but are more spread out?

The teams would be assigned a sectional based mostly on their geographic regions if I understand this correctly. After you have all of your teams placed in a sectional, coaches have the opportunity to vote on seeds. This is what is done in basketball and volleyball, I'm not sure of baseball anymore.

This would primarily prevent teams such as Marist and CS meeting at an individual regional. It also would prevent a regional like at Andrew this year where there were multiple teams in the rankings. If you try to rank the teams in sectionals and then subdivide those rankings into 4 seperate regionals here is what possibly could have happened using the De La Salle Sectional from this year.

I ranked the teams best I could using today's rankings and I guestimated 12-33 based off WSC standings and my own opionion based on who I saw this year. If you want my full list of 1-33 I can put it up later and you can yell at me then.

Regional A
OPRF
St. Rita
Mt. Carmel
Thornton
Argo
Br. Rice
Thornwood
Foreman
Schurz

Regional B
Sandburg
Shepard
Lyons Township
Morton
Kelly
Proviso West
Eisenhower
Curie

Regional C
Hinsdale Central
York
Leyden
Addison Trail
Hinsdale South
Richards
Oak Lawn
Hubbard

Regional D
Marist
Lane Tech
Reavis
TF South
Stagg
De La Salle
Taft
Proviso East

[crazyrunner1215]

Ok, makes sense. I misunderstood the original post. Definitely should happen. Wouldn't there still be a random draw for who wrestles who for sectionals or would this be 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (assuming the top seed won the regional).

[deuce_19]

Originally Posted by crazyrunner1215

Ok, makes sense. I misunderstood the original post. Definitely should happen. Wouldn't there still be a random draw for who wrestles who for sectionals or would this be 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (assuming the top seed won the regional).

You could do it either way I suppose, but this system already takes into consideration the 1 (A) vs 4 (D) and 2 (B) vs. 3 (C). I think the idea of this is to get the top 4 teams out of regionals and into team duals. This works pretty well for volleyball, as it gets most of the top seeds to sectionals and super-sectionals each year. We still obviously wouldn't get the top-8 teams to the state final duals, but this would assist the IHSA into getting the top dual team from each area of the state which is what they really want.

[lincoln wrestling]

Originally Posted by deuce_19

The teams would be assigned a sectional based mostly on their geographic regions if I understand this correctly. After you have all of your teams placed in a sectional, coaches have the opportunity to vote on seeds. This is what is done in basketball and volleyball, I'm not sure of baseball anymore.

This would primarily prevent teams such as Marist and CS meeting at an individual regional. It also would prevent a regional like at Andrew this year where there were multiple teams in the rankings. If you try to rank the teams in sectionals and then subdivide those rankings into 4 seperate regionals here is what possibly could have happened using the De La Salle Sectional from this year.

I ranked the teams best I could using today's rankings and I guestimated 12-33 based off WSC standings and my own opionion based on who I saw this year. If you want my full list of 1-33 I can put it up later and you can yell at me then.

Regional A
OPRF
St. Rita
Mt. Carmel
Thornton
Argo
Br. Rice
Thornwood
Foreman
Schurz

Regional B
Sandburg
Shepard
Lyons Township
Morton
Kelly
Proviso West
Eisenhower
Curie

Regional C
Hinsdale Central
York
Leyden
Addison Trail
Hinsdale South
Richards
Oak Lawn
Hubbard

Regional D
Marist
Lane Tech
Reavis
TF South
Stagg
De La Salle
Taft
Proviso East

it looks good, however you forgot the Lincoln Way schools and Lockport

[Alex DeLarge]

What they should just do instead is take the 2nd place finisher at each regional and work them into the duel team sectional. Since each team only wrestles one duel at sectionals this year, they can easily go back to the old format where you have to win two matches to get into the elite 8.

Of course this could be unfair for teams that are really good and deserve their placement in the Elite 8 but seeding could fix the whole problem. For instance, if Marist went on to face Glenbard North in the first round it wouldn't be fair because both teams are Top 5.

If you could somehow work out the seeding and geographical issues, this format would make perfect sense.

Hell, you could even only have a couple of teams that placed 2nd in regionals as wild cards and seed the whole tournament in which a couple teams get byes in the first round of sectionals.

What does everybody think about this idea? I really like it.

[deuce_19]

Originally Posted by lincoln wrestling

it looks good, however you forgot the Lincoln Way schools and Lockport

They weren't in the DeLaSalle sectional this year.

[crazyrunner1215]

Originally Posted by Alex DeLarge

What they should just do instead is take the 2nd place finisher at each regional and work them into the duel team sectional. Since each team only wrestles one duel at sectionals this year, they can easily go back to the old format where you have to win two matches to get into the elite 8.

Of course this could be unfair for teams that are really good and deserve their placement in the Elite 8 but seeding could fix the whole problem. For instance, if Marist went on to face Glenbard North in the first round it wouldn't be fair because both teams are Top 5.

If you could somehow work out the seeding and geographical issues, this format would make perfect sense.

Hell, you could even only have a couple of teams that placed 2nd in regionals as wild cards and seed the whole tournament in which a couple teams get byes in the first round of sectionals.

What does everybody think about this idea? I really like it.

I do like it. More wrestling action on the Tuesday after individual state. One thing I don't like is that there really isn't a sectional champ anymore. I guess that's a way to save money on awards.

[mckbln]

Guys...despite the Marist/CS regional debacle, the Dual Team State brackets are the best/closest to actual seeding I have seen in a LONG time. Maybe it was just luck, but this year will be one of the best and most competative in a while. In fact, if you replaced New Trier with Marist, it would be near perfect.