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  • Originally posted by mckbln View Post
    Great story on the AR-15 being used to protect a family...BY THE PREGNANT WIFE!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYD4Zj2eotw

    Who needs an AR-15???
    Great story.

    Too bad it's only one against about 20 (or more?) in the last couple of years where an AR- type weapon has been used for killing innocent people instead of protecting them.

    Who needs an AR-15?

    THE POLICE.

    Or maybe M-249s or even M-240s....

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    • Originally posted by Crystal Clearly View Post
      Great story.

      Too bad it's only one against about 20 (or more?) in the last couple of years where an AR- type weapon has been used for killing innocent people instead of protecting them.

      Who needs an AR-15?

      THE POLICE.

      Or maybe M-249s or even M-240s....
      How many crimes have been prevented because the criminal chose not to attack someone that could fight back? Criminals always choose what they would consider to be a soft target that will not be able to defend themselves.

      Statics about crime that has not happened can not be measured, but it is definatly a factor.

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      • Here's 8 more. It is very difficult if not impossible to say how many lives were saved in these 8 situations. These 8 are just AR15s... if you include all guns, lives saved by guns are probably about 10 lives saved to 1 life taken...but we still don't know if my estimate is too low.

        https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/...d-lives-ar-15/

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        • Originally posted by MAL View Post
          Here's 8 more. It is very difficult if not impossible to say how many lives were saved in these 8 situations. These 8 are just AR15s... if you include all guns, lives saved by guns are probably about 10 lives saved to 1 life taken...but we still don't know if my estimate is too low.

          https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/...d-lives-ar-15/
          We really don't need these once in a blue moon a gun saves somebody stories - unless you also want to share all the stories where they shoot the wrong person trying to shoot a bad guy - those are just as common, even by trained cops. This is a wrestling site, how about some stories about how people learned how to kick butt using wrestling and they used that. We are going to keep guns and remain a violent society. Its just going to get more expensive. That is the price of freedom - in some peoples eyes. I like how when somebody buys a gun they start saying things about shooting people that cops say. If you buy a gun your not a cop. I am all for guns, its Indiana's #1 elicit product.
          There are two guys in that zebra costume! Very funny...

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          • Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post
            We really don't need these once in a blue moon a gun saves somebody stories - unless you also want to share all the stories where they shoot the wrong person trying to shoot a bad guy - those are just as common, even by trained cops. This is a wrestling site, how about some stories about how people learned how to kick butt using wrestling and they used that. We are going to keep guns and remain a violent society. Its just going to get more expensive. That is the price of freedom - in some peoples eyes. I like how when somebody buys a gun they start saying things about shooting people that cops say. If you buy a gun your not a cop. I am all for guns, its Indiana's #1 elicit product.
            I stumbled across this in a search. Defensive use of a gun is extremely difficult to calculate but the CDC has made an attempt in the past.

            "The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense. This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995)….CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals. "

            https://reason.com/2018/04/20/cdc-pr...that-plenty-o/

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            • .

              THE FORUM RULE


              BE IT ENACTED, any person commenting, writing on, publishing, reading or viewing a forum, message board, Facebook page or pages, or other posting board of any kind whatsoever, which touches on the topic of politics, shall not own a gun. A gun is hereby defined as a gun. Possession of same shall be a Class Z Felony, punishable by up to three nights with your face electric-taped next to Rush Limbaugh's rear end.

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              • Originally posted by ChiefIllini1 View Post
                .

                THE FORUM RULE


                BE IT ENACTED, any person commenting, writing on, publishing, reading or viewing a forum, message board, Facebook page or pages, or other posting board of any kind whatsoever, which touches on the topic of politics, shall not own a gun. A gun is hereby defined as a gun. Possession of same shall be a Class Z Felony, punishable by up to three nights with your face electric-taped next to Rush Limbaugh's rear end.
                It sounds like you are leaving a loophole in the new rule for stolen guns. Technically a stolen gun is not owned by the person that possesses it.

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                • Originally posted by MAL View Post
                  I stumbled across this in a search. Defensive use of a gun is extremely difficult to calculate but the CDC has made an attempt in the past.

                  "The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense. This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995)….CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals. "

                  https://reason.com/2018/04/20/cdc-pr...that-plenty-o/
                  So Troll, you are saying it is perfect the way it is? So what? Yes it is the wild West. Yes people will pull a gun to open a beer. Or point a gun at you for not using your turn signal and call it defensive use. Get in a fender bender in Chicago, what are the odds the person pulls a gun on you? and calls it defense? no it was a car accident. If you are a gun expert - you go fix the problem. Pro - gun experts say we need even more guns, and the data sais the opposite. That doesn't mean that some kid doesn't get hit by a stray bullet every weekend in Chicago. That was some cherry picked data 20 years ago. That is like picking a month where it rained every day 20 years ago in Elmhurst and saying it rains everyday the United States...I looked it up...by the way, Wild West - fine. I do not care about the gun issue but I care about bad data. By the way, Epstein 99% did kill himself. You can go pay an expert to "raise doubt" about anything. There is no trial where they don't.

                  Last weekend: school shooting

                  Today:
                  10 shot, four killed at family gathering in Fresno, California
                  "It’s very likely that it was targeted — we just don’t know why," Fresno Police Deputy Chief Michael Reid told reporters.

                  1996–1998. The deep problem, however, is not miscodings per se but that miscodings of rare events are likely to be asymmetric. Since defensive gun use is relatively uncommon under any reasonable scenario there are many more opportunities to miscode in a way that inflates defensive gun use than there are ways to miscode in a way that deflates defensive gun use...
                  Last edited by Blonjuan44; 11-18-2019, 08:15 AM.
                  There are two guys in that zebra costume! Very funny...

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                  • Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post

                    1996–1998. The deep problem, however, is not miscodings per se but that miscodings of rare events are likely to be asymmetric. Since defensive gun use is relatively uncommon under any reasonable scenario there are many more opportunities to miscode in a way that inflates defensive gun use than there are ways to miscode in a way that deflates defensive gun use...
                    Don't pretend that these are your words.

                    I prefaced my post with the fact that statistics on "Defensive use of a gun is extremely difficult to calculate." With that said, that study found that a little more that 1% of the population in the states that were studied have reported using a gun for defensive purposes. 1% is still over 3x more than are used offensively for a crime. Even if you completely blow this study up, it still demonstrates more defensive gun use than offensive...and yes, sometimes just facing a perp so they can see that you have a gun is a defensive use of a gun.

                    I think Chicago's gun stats are worse than the wild west.

                    I don't know exactly what happened to Epstein and neither do you. I do find it suspicious that two guards fell asleep and the security video was shut down. The bigger question is why do Republicans suspect Murder and the Democrats suspect Suicide? Why would there be a partition divide on this issue? Could it be that the Democrats had the most to loose if there was a trial?
                    Last edited by MAL; 11-18-2019, 02:16 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by MAL View Post
                      Don't pretend that these are your words.

                      I prefaced my post with the fact that statistics on "Defensive use of a gun is extremely difficult to calculate." With that said, that study found that a little more that 1% of the population in the states that were studied have reported using a gun for defensive purposes. 1% is still over 3x more than are used offensively for a crime. Even if you completely blow this study up, it still demonstrates more defensive gun use than offensive...and yes, sometimes just facing a perp so they can see that you have a gun is a defensive use of a gun.

                      I think Chicago's gun stats are worse than the wild west.

                      I don't know exactly what happened to Epstein and neither do you. I do find it suspicious that two guards fell asleep and the security video was shut down. The bigger question is why do Republicans suspect Murder and the Democrats suspect Suicide? Why would there be a partition divide on this issue? Could it be that the Democrats had the most to loose if there was a trial?
                      So, what? Another mass shooting today (at Walmart). It is basically a daily thing now. Your stats don't solve anything or make daily mass shootings seem normal, what is your solution again? Even if everybody is caring a gun, somebody can kill 10 people in seconds. I have accepted it, it your bad stats that are annoying. You can throw around your 1% all you want, it is a meaning garbage, you have no credentials, its just trolling. Please go back to defending your weirdo hero.
                      There are two guys in that zebra costume! Very funny...

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                      • Oh yea...a gun control fanatic comes over to the other side!

                        https://www.agirlandagun.org/discove...r0jkHuAtemNETc

                        Mack
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                        • On Sunday I had the opportunity to train a former judo dad and his daughter who used to compete when she was at Tohkon, at Maxons indoor range in Des Plaines. He rented a P320 C to try out, and I brought my P320-M17. I ran them through a few handgun drills, showed them basic techniques regarding grip, stance, and sighting.

                          Then I broke out the Sig-516 which is an AR-15 type rifle, and mine is tricked out with an Aimpoint PRO red dot/reflexive sight and a Sure Fire white light activated by a pressure switch mounted on the Magpul vertical fore grip. The daughter asked me if it "kicked hard"... I laughed and told her she wouldn't even notice the recoil. It was a simple drill; I turned the light off over the target at 5yds and had them start in the ready/low port position, come up put the light on and engage with a double tap, then safety and back to the ready with a 30rd magazine. The daughter freaking LOVED it and by the end I had her putting all her rounds in the 10 ring!! VICTORY!!!!

                          Mack
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                          "On the bloody morning after, one tin soldier rides away..."

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                          • Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post
                            what is your solution again?
                            If we are just talking about mass shooters, that is probably the most difficult firearm problem to solve. To keep it in perspective, it is also a statistically insignificant percentage of all gun crime. These people that that have reached the point of no return are so crazy that not much will stop them. If I had to pick one thing that would have the best chance of doing the most good it would be teaching fear of God in our schools. They literally need to believe that killing everybody and themselves is the worst option that they have. The school shooting epidemic has closely followed the left's eviction of God from our schools.

                            To be clear, I am talking about the belief in mortal sin and hell for eternity.

                            By the way, what is your solution?

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                            • Originally posted by MAL View Post
                              If we are just talking about mass shooters, that is probably the most difficult firearm problem to solve. To keep it in perspective, it is also a statistically insignificant percentage of all gun crime. These people that that have reached the point of no return are so crazy that not much will stop them. If I had to pick one thing that would have the best chance of doing the most good it would be teaching fear of God in our schools. They literally need to believe that killing everybody and themselves is the worst option that they have. The school shooting epidemic has closely followed the left's eviction of God from our schools.

                              To be clear, I am talking about the belief in mortal sin and hell for eternity.

                              By the way, what is your solution?
                              The only thing which can possibly prevent and/or deter gun violence unfortunately is gun protection.

                              Why our banks and judges and elected officials are protected from gun violence with gun protection while our kids can't be afforded the same is beyond me.

                              Have a police presence at each school! Allow teachers to arm themselves. and for the sake of all that is good stop with the beyond stupid gun-free zones! You're essentially inviting would-be gun violence perpetrators to a place where they don't fear an armed response. Not sure if fear of God or sin or hell will ever work given where we've regressed to nowadays. Fear of reprisal might.

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                              • Originally posted by mooseknuckle View Post
                                The only thing which can possibly prevent and/or deter gun violence unfortunately is gun protection.

                                Why our banks and judges and elected officials are protected from gun violence with gun protection while our kids can't be afforded the same is beyond me.

                                Have a police presence at each school! Allow teachers to arm themselves. and for the sake of all that is good stop with the beyond stupid gun-free zones! You're essentially inviting would-be gun violence perpetrators to a place where they don't fear an armed response. Not sure if fear of God or sin or hell will ever work given where we've regressed to nowadays. Fear of reprisal might.
                                I don't disagree with you in any way. I am just trying to look at this issue in a more comprehensive way. Every solution mentioned in our replies will have the affect of changing something in the mind of the perp. The problem is obviously not the gun. Follow this chain of thought for a moment. If we arm schools, the perp may decide to shoot up a church. If we arm a church they may decide to shoot up a theater etc... I am in favor of arming schools and churches, etc... but I don't think that gets to the heart of the problem. The problem is in the mind of the killer. How can we change the wiring in the brain? We can use fear, or we could use faith...I would propose both. I am sure that here may be many other options. I think faith would be the long term solution. Fear is the immediate solution.

                                Speaking theoretically, if schools can indoctrinate children to to believe that gender is a choice, there should be no reason that they could not convince them that life is precious. These shooting are caused by socialism...hopefully somebody challenges me on that.

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