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  • Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post
    ... report identifies six audiences with different opinions about global warming: The alarmed (18%), the concerned (33%), the cautious (19%), the disengaged (12%), the doubtful (11%) and the dismissive (7%).

    You are in the extreme 7% of dismissive. You complain that everyone else is in the 18% alarmed. Like most things, most people are in the middle: its probably true, why not take moderated easy steps to ease it, not going to spend too much or do anything extreme to address it. Why did your buddy Trump go from "Hoax" to real? On a side note, how do ex-military people feel about shin splint deferment Trump always talking about he knows more about the military matters than military lifers and denigrates every military hero that disagrees with him?

    https://www.rff.org/climatesurvey/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public...global_warming
    I have no problem with Trump's deferment, neither Clinton or Obama served either. Trump managed to avoid a Benghazi disaster, too. I take Trump's stupid comments with a grain of salt because unlike Obama who coughed up 1/3 of Iraq to ISIS, the "JV Team", and then had to redeploy troops but saddled them with absurd ROEs, Trump let Mattis handle Iraq and he deployed US conventional forces to fight with the Kurds and already deployed Special Ops forces and the result was kicking ISIS *** out of Iraq and all the way back into Syria. Trump and Mattis had a falling out over Turkey and I totally side with Mattis, BUT...still much better end results than Obummer had. As far as Climate Change, I am not dismissive, I just don't think it's as serious as the alarmists believe, and the fact is that numerous climate scientists don't buy the gloom and doom predictions. In fact, several have pointed out the juggled and fudged statistics, the human carbon footprint being much less than the alarmists suggest, and the fact that we are still in an overall period of global cooling (polar ice caps that didn't exist prior to the Great Ice Age...at one time Antarctica was a forested land mass), and humans generally do better during warming trends, unlike the Mini Ice Age that hit Europe during Medieval times and caused the deaths of thousands due to cold and starvation.
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    • Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post
      ... report identifies six audiences with different opinions about global warming: The alarmed (18%), the concerned (33%), the cautious (19%), the disengaged (12%), the doubtful (11%) and the dismissive (7%).

      You are in the extreme 7% of dismissive. You complain that everyone else is in the 18% alarmed. Like most things, most people are in the middle: its probably true, why not take moderated easy steps to ease it, not going to spend too much or do anything extreme to address it. Why did your buddy Trump go from "Hoax" to real? On a side note, how do ex-military people feel about shin splint deferment Trump always talking about he knows more about the military matters than military lifers and denigrates every military hero that disagrees with him?
      That is a good point. Most people are probably in the middle, but they are in the middle of a hoax/tax. Trump has not changed his mind about climate change. Climate change is real...nobody can deny that...nobody can do anything about it either, except God. Man made climate change is a hoax.

      Co2 is not pollution...plants and trees can not survive without it. More Co2 will cause more trees to grow. Cutting Co2 will be harmful to plant life. Have you seen that big orange thing in the sky?...the sun...that is what regulates earths temperature. If you can figure out how to turn it up or down let me know, because I would like to turn it up a little.

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      • Originally posted by MAL View Post
        That is a good point. Most people are probably in the middle, but they are in the middle of a hoax/tax. Trump has not changed his mind about climate change. Climate change is real...nobody can deny that...nobody can do anything about it either, except God. Man made climate change is a hoax.

        Co2 is not pollution...plants and trees can not survive without it. More Co2 will cause more trees to grow. Cutting Co2 will be harmful to plant life. Have you seen that big orange thing in the sky?...the sun...that is what regulates earths temperature. If you can figure out how to turn it up or down let me know, because I would like to turn it up a little.
        Now you are saying that it is real, just the cause is a hoax. Funny how sheeple start to use the same language as Trump:

        One of your many old posts: "29 billion dollars per year...now you are talking my language. That is 29 billion reasons big science wants to keep the hoax alive, but 29 billion is just the tip of the ice berg. Politicians get very wealthy spending tax dollars to buy power. It does not matter what they spend money on as long as the people they spend it on remember where they got it and what they had to do to get it. We have spent trillions on this hoax."

        You must be in the top 7% for intelligence to see what most others do not. Remember your lengthy posts about how it was not real. That is a big change - about being wrong. You must love Saudi, Venezuela, and Russia - they are the big winners by your hoax game comrade. Putting up some wind turbines and planting some trees and have shipping vessels add a co2 capture devise are not that hard and paying a couple buck more in tax is not that hard - complainers about taking baby steps to address it are such snowflakes, its like the people who complained about the change in light bulb technology - there is more choice now than ever in light bulbs. Since you do not believe in science, you might want to stick a fork in a light socket. Science sais electricity it real. Or is only the cause of electricity a hoax.
        Last edited by Blonjuan44; 01-18-2020, 12:35 AM.
        There are two guys in that zebra costume! Very funny...

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        • Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post
          Now you are saying that it is real, just the cause is a hoax. Funny how sheeple start to use the same language as Trump:

          One of your many old posts: "29 billion dollars per year...now you are talking my language. That is 29 billion reasons big science wants to keep the hoax alive, but 29 billion is just the tip of the ice berg. Politicians get very wealthy spending tax dollars to buy power. It does not matter what they spend money on as long as the people they spend it on remember where they got it and what they had to do to get it. We have spent trillions on this hoax."

          You must be in the top 7% for intelligence to see what most others do not. Remember your lengthy posts about how it was not real. That is a big change - about being wrong. You must love Saudi, Venezuela, and Russia - they are the big winners by your hoax game comrade. Putting up some wind turbines and planting some trees and have shipping vessels add a co2 capture devise are not that hard and paying a couple buck more in tax is not that hard - complainers about taking baby steps to address it are such snowflakes, its like the people who complained about the change in light bulb technology - there is more choice now than ever in light bulbs. Since you do not believe in science, you might want to stick a fork in a light socket. Science sais electricity it real. Or is only the cause of electricity a hoax.
          You are about 40 years behind, but I will try to get you caught up. A long long time ago...you may not remember, but they used to scare school children by telling them the the planet was warming...and it was caused by their parents SUV's. They called it "global warming". The debate was and has always been whether it was caused by man or god. They actually taught in school that if the planet warmed 1 degree we would go into another ice age...but the funniest thing happened...it stopped warming for almost 20 years. During those years the phrase " "man made global warming is a hoax" became a common phrase among "climate deniers". That is when they changed the name to Climate change so we couldn't make fun of them anymore, because the climate always changes. It gets warmer and it gets colder, so no matter what happened they were right. The phrase "man made climate change is hoax" is about 20 years old. I don't know where you got the Idea that people thought the climate doesn't change, but I think I told you that it does change, three times in this thread alone. When someone says climate change is a hoax, they are just assuming that everybody knows that the debate is between man made and a natural phenomenon.

          Here is some science for you. Take a look at the temperature swings in the last 11,000 years...our current temperature is below average. It looks like we should have stopped using the Edison light bulb 10,000 years ago. Humans didn't cause Climate change then, and we are not causing it now. You have fallen for a hoax.

          https://www.iceagenow.info/planet-en...t-10000-years/

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          • Originally posted by MAL View Post
            You are about 40 years behind, but I will try to get you caught up. A long long time ago...you may not remember, but they used to scare school children by telling them the the planet was warming...and it was caused by their parents SUV's. They called it "global warming". The debate was and has always been whether it was caused by man or god. They actually taught in school that if the planet warmed 1 degree we would go into another ice age...but the funniest thing happened...it stopped warming for almost 20 years. During those years the phrase " "man made global warming is a hoax" became a common phrase among "climate deniers". That is when they changed the name to Climate change so we couldn't make fun of them anymore, because the climate always changes. It gets warmer and it gets colder, so no matter what happened they were right. The phrase "man made climate change is hoax" is about 20 years old. I don't know where you got the Idea that people thought the climate doesn't change, but I think I told you that it does change, three times in this thread alone. When someone says climate change is a hoax, they are just assuming that everybody knows that the debate is between man made and a natural phenomenon.

            Here is some science for you. Take a look at the temperature swings in the last 11,000 years...our current temperature is below average. It looks like we should have stopped using the Edison light bulb 10,000 years ago. Humans didn't cause Climate change then, and we are not causing it now. You have fallen for a hoax.

            https://www.iceagenow.info/planet-en...t-10000-years/
            First you said it was a hoax, then 2 posts ago you said the below:

            "Climate change is real...nobody can deny that...nobody can do anything about it either, except God."

            Now you are saying it is a hoax again. You are the world's worse troll. You need to go back to your Russian Troll school and stay on message.

            I doubt you and 1% (2% non) of viable scientists are smarter on the topic than 80% of the populous and 97% of scientists. Your ex-weatheman and people looking to make a buck yammerings about man-made or natural are tiresome. natural would not have spiked like it did. Each cargo carrier in the ocean is basically a coal mine fire, and can switch with a little pressue. If you think there is better information than NASA and NOAA then you are going way out of your way for bad info. Pretty soon you will be claiming you don't know Lev Parnas and that you cannot post due to a shin splint condition.

            https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-s...limate-change/

            To be skeptical that humans are causing global warming, you must believe two things. Something unknown is causing warming that happens to mirror the greenhouse effect. And something unknown is somehow suppressing the well understood (and well observed) greenhouse effect. So we can accept what we know to be true (greenhouse warming) or we accept two unknowns.

            The saying goes if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck. But climate skeptics are trying to convince us it's some other, undefined animal impersonating a duck that's also mysteriously hiding the real duck.
            Last edited by Blonjuan44; 01-18-2020, 09:47 AM.
            There are two guys in that zebra costume! Very funny...

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            • Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post
              First you said it was a hoax, then 2 posts ago you said the below:

              "Climate change is real...nobody can deny that...nobody can do anything about it either, except God."

              Now you are saying it is a hoax again. You are the world's worse troll. You need to go back to your Russian Troll school and stay on message.

              I doubt you and 1% (2% non) of viable scientists are smarter on the topic than 80% of the populous and 97% of scientists. Your ex-weatheman and people looking to make a buck yammerings about man-made or natural are tiresome. natural would not have spiked like it did. Each cargo carrier in the ocean is basically a coal mine fire, and can switch with a little pressue. If you think there is better information than NASA and NOAA then you are going way out of your way for bad info. Pretty soon you will be claiming you don't know Lev Parnas and that you cannot post due to a shin splint condition.

              https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-s...limate-change/

              To be skeptical that humans are causing global warming, you must believe two things. Something unknown is causing warming that happens to mirror the greenhouse effect. And something unknown is somehow suppressing the well understood (and well observed) greenhouse effect. So we can accept what we know to be true (greenhouse warming) or we accept two unknowns.

              The saying goes if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck. But climate skeptics are trying to convince us it's some other, undefined animal impersonating a duck that's also mysteriously hiding the real duck.
              I think your are trolling me. Saying that incandescent light bulbs, fossil fuels, and Co2 cause climate change is the hoax. It is not possible for humans to change the climate on earth by any percentage of a degree.

              What spike are you talking about? Did you look at the chart of the last 10,000 years. Our current climate is way below average...we are not even close to all time high temperatures...we are much closer to all time low temperatures. How can you look at that chart and think that our temperatures are outside of normal fluctuations? If our climate temperature has spiked, we are experiencing the lowest temperature spike in the last 10,000 years. Humans will adapt to what ever mother nature dishes out.

              There is no way that I would believe NASA, they were caught changing historical data to fit the climate change narrative.

              Lev Parnas will be a star for about two weeks, then he will discarded for the new witness that will "Take Trump down"...just like the whistle blower. This is all scripted...Democrats already know who the next bombshell witness is..they are just waiting for the right time to drop the bomb, but it will be a dud if they can't change the mind of the Republican voters.
              Last edited by MAL; 01-18-2020, 09:48 PM.

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              • Climate change Predictions in Canada
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR6wds_ly2s

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                • 97% BS

                  I don't agree with all of what is said in this video, but what they say about the 97% consensus is interesting.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJ6TI8ccAw

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                  • Originally posted by mckbln View Post
                    I have no problem with Trump's deferment, neither Clinton or Obama served either. Trump managed to avoid a Benghazi disaster, too. I take Trump's stupid comments with a grain of salt because unlike Obama who coughed up 1/3 of Iraq to ISIS, the "JV Team", and then had to redeploy troops but saddled them with absurd ROEs, Trump let Mattis handle Iraq and he deployed US conventional forces to fight with the Kurds and already deployed Special Ops forces and the result was kicking ISIS *** out of Iraq and all the way back into Syria. Trump and Mattis had a falling out over Turkey and I totally side with Mattis, BUT...still much better end results than Obummer had. As far as Climate Change, I am not dismissive, I just don't think it's as serious as the alarmists believe, and the fact is that numerous climate scientists don't buy the gloom and doom predictions. In fact, several have pointed out the juggled and fudged statistics, the human carbon footprint being much less than the alarmists suggest, and the fact that we are still in an overall period of global cooling (polar ice caps that didn't exist prior to the Great Ice Age...at one time Antarctica was a forested land mass), and humans generally do better during warming trends, unlike the Mini Ice Age that hit Europe during Medieval times and caused the deaths of thousands due to cold and starvation.
                    Trump has zero respect for those in the military. He called the top brass dopes and babies - and that coming Mr. shin splints. ikihs
                    https://www.military.com/daily-news/...top-brass.html

                    https://www.rand.org/blog/2020/01/ba...-be-heres.html

                    Benghazi is more than 1,000 miles from nearest base in Aviano and beyond the combat patrol area of an F-16 without re-fuelling. There were already 5000 troops in Iraq. We probably all wish they would have laid waste to the whole site and the killers and mob if they knew the Americans were dead in Benghazi or even before if the Americans could have sheltered. The errors were in letting it get to that point. There is an error is pulling non-military citizens and expecting them to be experts in such matters. The experts in those matters should make the call with consent of course, perhaps they did. The President gets blame or credit but its really not their field of expertise, Iraq an Iran are not close to being over - Trump will likely incite them to the point of war and then lose, and then say it was fine when he was President. Eratic weirdoism is not a trait in a President.

                    Its odd what people believe experts on and what they don't. Heart surgeons yes, climate scientists - no. Both are probably wrong - but only occasionally.
                    Last edited by Blonjuan44; 01-19-2020, 02:46 PM.
                    There are two guys in that zebra costume! Very funny...

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                    • I wonder what subset of climate change deniers are also gun cos-players? I believe that a lot of them believe something just because their "team" believes it. Strange way to go through life!

                      Anywho, here's a bit I did with pictures from yesterday's Virginia Cos-Play rally. They really should get a convention center and use fake pointy ears and phasers:



                      Let this old Ghost Preacher have one last word with you: Guns are extinct. They are still on the battlefield only because a human life costs less than a drone. Guns, my friends, have gone the way of the Dodo bird, except that they're still good for murder and accidental killings.

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                      • Originally posted by ChiefIllini1 View Post
                        I wonder what subset of climate change deniers are also gun cos-players? I believe that a lot of them believe something just because their "team" believes it. Strange way to go through life! You're smart...please explain Medieval warming when there were no SUV'S and incandescent light bulbs.

                        Anywho, here's a bit I did with pictures from yesterday's Virginia Cos-Play rally. They really should get a convention center and use fake pointy ears and phasers:



                        Let this old Ghost Preacher have one last word with you: Guns are extinct. They are still on the battlefield only because a human life costs less than a drone. Guns, my friends, have gone the way of the Dodo bird, except that they're still good for murder and accidental killings.
                        You sound disappointed that right wing protesters did not resort to violence like Democrat protesters normally do? They even took garbage bags and cleaned up the mess before they left.

                        The Virginia legislature had to take steps to protect the Governor from being recalled.

                        "Virginia decided then that they wouldn’t wait for another election. A petition to remove Governor Northam began circulating as well as other petitions to remove delegates from office. When the petition received almost a third of the signatures needed to recall the governor, a new bill was introduced to raise the amount of signatures needed from 10% of the prevailing vote, to 25%.

                        Oh, but it doesn’t stop there! Other bills in session in the 2020 legislature:

                        SJ 6 – Which changes the governor’s term from 4 to 8 years.
                        SB 399 – Virginia’s electoral votes for president will go to the candidate who has won the national popular vote. It will no longer matter who many Virginians vote for in presidential races.
                        SJ 9 and SJ 14 – Restores felons’ abilities to vote.
                        SJ 29 – Changes how Governors, Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General are elected. Previously, the candidate receiving the most votes statewide would be elected. Proposed: change to who wins the majority in Congressional districts. In case of a tie, the General Assembly will pick the winner."


                        You make a good point about drones...they will replace guns as the weapon of choice for those that wish to do harm to others. Taking guns will not do anything to change the actions of evil doers except what weapon they choose to kill with.
                        Last edited by MAL; 01-21-2020, 10:11 AM.

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                        • Originally posted by MAL View Post
                          You sound disappointed that right wing protesters did not resort to violence like Democrat protesters normally do? They even took garbage bags and cleaned up the mess before they left.

                          The Virginia legislature had to take steps to protect the Governor from being recalled.

                          "Virginia decided then that they wouldn’t wait for another election. A petition to remove Governor Northam began circulating as well as other petitions to remove delegates from office. When the petition received almost a third of the signatures needed to recall the governor, a new bill was introduced to raise the amount of signatures needed from 10% of the prevailing vote, to 25%.

                          Oh, but it doesn’t stop there! Other bills in session in the 2020 legislature:

                          SJ 6 – Which changes the governor’s term from 4 to 8 years.
                          SB 399 – Virginia’s electoral votes for president will go to the candidate who has won the national popular vote. It will no longer matter who many Virginians vote for in presidential races.
                          SJ 9 and SJ 14 – Restores felons’ abilities to vote.
                          SJ 29 – Changes how Governors, Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General are elected. Previously, the candidate receiving the most votes statewide would be elected. Proposed: change to who wins the majority in Congressional districts. In case of a tie, the General Assembly will pick the winner."


                          You make a good point about drones...they will replace guns as the weapon of choice for those that wish to do harm to others. Taking guns will not do anything to change the actions of evil doers except what weapon they choose to kill with.
                          More pointless yammering, you are terrible at relevant arguments. подняться обратно в свою нору вы расистские русской свиньи - Comrade.

                          The KC shooting could have been stopped with some common sense gun laws and enforcement - again. I am pro-gun, but this is just stupid...

                          Court records show that Swift had two weapons charges in 2016 and 2017. The 2016 charge was for for unlawful use of a weapon and marijuana possession, according to court records. Swift was charged in 2017 with unlawful concealed carry, which could have revoked his probation on the previous charge and increased his chances of going to prison, Mike Mansur, Jackson County Prosecutor spokesman told CNN.

                          However, the second charge came as Missouri legislators approved measures that permitted concealed weapons being carried without a permit.
                          "I can't say that he would have been imprisoned but I can say that the change in the law assured that he would be free because that charge went away," Mansur said.
                          Last edited by Blonjuan44; 01-22-2020, 12:33 AM.
                          There are two guys in that zebra costume! Very funny...

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                          • Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post
                            More pointless yammering, you are terrible at relevant arguments. подняться обратно в свою нору вы расистские русской свиньи - Comrade.
                            I had to laugh at the Russian. Senator Mal is not a Russian troll because those folks have better uses for their time than hanging out at the internet version of Naboo. I love to go after obvious Russian trolls on twitter. Here are a couple of my favorites:

                            Я голоден, а мой осел болен. У тебя есть картошка? Мы сейчас нападаем на Путина! Революция! Секретный проверочный код: они видят меня катящимся, они ненавидят, пытаются поймать меня грязным.

                            Translation:

                            I am hungry and my donkey is sick. Do you have potatoes? We are now attacking Putin! Revolution! Secret Verification Code: they see me rolling, they hate me, they try to catch me riding dirty.
                            Сядьте на следующий поезд до границы с Украиной. Проникни через. Ищите убежище в посольстве США в Киеве. Хороший человек Тейлор там. Свидетельствуйте против Путина и Трампа. Тогда живите как американский Hollywood Rockstar Hero, а не как маленькая компьютерная мышь Путина.

                            Translation:

                            Take next train to border with Ukraine. Penetrate through. Seek refuge at the US Embassy in Kiev. Good man Taylor is there. Testify against Putin and Trump. Then live like American Hollywood Rockstar Hero, and not like Putin's little computer mouse.
                            I usually add a picture of Putin wearing makeup or a ladies' wig. It is important, I believe, to realize that our government has been under attack from without and from within (Trump, the NRA taking Russian millions).



                            Moreover, Putin needs a win in the next American election almost as much as Trump. A Democratic President will levy vicious economic sanctions against Russia, which will sour their economy that is already small and unhealthy. That, in turn, could cause friction between Putin and his mob oligarchs.

                            Those are the fellows that will get rid of Putin.

                            The recent elections in Moscow illustrate how real public opinion can go against the Russian dictator. Then, you can expect the U.S. to initiate some cyber warfare of their own, increase assistance to Ukraine, move to have Ukraine admitted into NATO, re-build NATO, and all of this really sucks for Putin.

                            So, we have to be ready for more attacks, especially since the impeached president and his cover-up sidekick McConnell have done zero to protect America, our social media and American election systems from Russian attacks and trolls.

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                            • Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post
                              More pointless yammering, you are terrible at relevant arguments. подняться обратно в свою нору вы расистские русской свиньи - Comrade.

                              The KC shooting could have been stopped with some common sense gun laws and enforcement - again. I am pro-gun, but this is just stupid...

                              Court records show that Swift had two weapons charges in 2016 and 2017. The 2016 charge was for for unlawful use of a weapon and marijuana possession, according to court records. Swift was charged in 2017 with unlawful concealed carry, which could have revoked his probation on the previous charge and increased his chances of going to prison, Mike Mansur, Jackson County Prosecutor spokesman told CNN.

                              However, the second charge came as Missouri legislators approved measures that permitted concealed weapons being carried without a permit.
                              "I can't say that he would have been imprisoned but I can say that the change in the law assured that he would be free because that charge went away," Mansur said.
                              Please explain to me what law would have stopped him. He was charged for unlawful use of a weapon and marijuana possession. I am not sure about Missouri, but in most states they don't allow felons to own fire arms. Then he was charged with unlawful concealed carry. It doesn't appear that he was interested in complying with the law. So...what law do you think he would have been willing to comply with?

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                              • Originally posted by MAL View Post
                                Please explain to me what law would have stopped him. He was charged for unlawful use of a weapon and marijuana possession. I am not sure about Missouri, but in most states they don't allow felons to own fire arms. Then he was charged with unlawful concealed carry. It doesn't appear that he was interested in complying with the law. So...what law do you think he would have been willing to comply with?
                                He had a committed felony, but when the gun law changed, the felony conviction was dropped. 3rd time he had a felony issue dropped.

                                The law change was basically written for bad guys, under the NRA's silly slippery slope argument. They argue to keep bad laws as a buffer zone, and its for the gun manufacturers since they supply most NRA money. Its like if the American Cancer Society was ran by the cigarette companies.

                                Kansas City police and other law enforcement have repeatedly said the state’s weakened gun laws have made it difficult for them to remove illegal weapons from the streets.

                                “It’s like Prohibition. One day it’s illegal and the next day, it’s legal,’ Baker said Tuesday.

                                Baker said her office has dismissed as many as 150 unlawful weapon charges since the law changed in 2016.

                                https://www.kansascity.com/news/loca...239489363.html

                                Its also a shame that the people who could have put this guy in jail prior refused to testify. Would have save 15 people from getting shot.
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                                There are two guys in that zebra costume! Very funny...

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