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  • #46
    Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post
    They can charge him with domestic terrorism but likely will not. NRA will back him for court costs. They will get him for about a year and half and he will be out in 7 months. And yes, he will get to keep the guns, or if they say he can't keep them he will, and they will not them. Just like the recent in Aurora shooter in out own back yard that killed another NIU student in another mass shooting. Cost of freedom - perhaps.
    They can charge him with anything that they want, but that doesn't mean that he is guilty of the charge.

    It doesn't sound like he had terrorist intentions. He was protesting Walmart and their policies. I could be corrected on this, because I am not a Lawyer, but I believe that the prosecution would be required to prove intent, but that brings up the question...intent to do what? He apparently did not do anything illegal. If they can prove that he intended to commit a crime, charge him.

    Some people were terrorized, but some people are terrorized when the see a spider.

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    • #47
      See, I donít think he should be charged! If our gun laws are so asinine Then let him go shopping for cereal like that. People would say, but look what just happened in El Paso at Walmart. Really? How long are the statute of limitations on such a thing? It should be forever. But since itís not, is it one week? Two weeks? A month? I never had a law class in my life and I would represent him. Matter of fact, I think Walmart should have a bring your gun to the shop day kind of like bring your child to work day!

      Everyone could walk around dressed up in their costume like theyíre ready for Armageddon. When they bump into each other in the cereal aisle they can discuss their fantasies about how safe they are making the place. Thatís what it is really, a fantasy. They all picture themselves hearing a shot and then making the kill shot from 200 yards while the person had a hostage and theyíre outside giving interviews!

      And why donít people look at from a law enforcement point of you? Number one, how would you like to be holding a pistol and have to respond to something like that with a guy with an automatic rifle? Number two, we have been briefed multiple times by the chief of police at our school. He made it very clear, when they respond, they have no idea who or how many people are attacking. In their minds, anyone with a gun is going down! As they should.
      Always support your local wrestling tournament concession stands!!!

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      • #48
        Originally posted by oldpioneer View Post
        See, I don’t think he should be charged! If our gun laws are so asinine Then let him go shopping for cereal like that. People would say, but look what just happened in El Paso at Walmart. Really? How long are the statute of limitations on such a thing? It should be forever. But since it’s not, is it one week? Two weeks? A month? I never had a law class in my life and I would represent him. Matter of fact, I think Walmart should have a bring your gun to the shop day kind of like bring your child to work day!

        Everyone could walk around dressed up in their costume like they’re ready for Armageddon. When they bump into each other in the cereal aisle they can discuss their fantasies about how safe they are making the place. That’s what it is really, a fantasy. They all picture themselves hearing a shot and then making the kill shot from 200 yards while the person had a hostage and they’re outside giving interviews!

        And why don’t people look at from a law enforcement point of you? Number one, how would you like to be holding a pistol and have to respond to something like that with a guy with an automatic rifle? Number two, we have been briefed multiple times by the chief of police at our school. He made it very clear, when they respond, they have no idea who or how many people are attacking. In their minds, anyone with a gun is going down! As they should.
        Some people protest by rioting and stealing everything in Walmart, and some take their gun and buy things. Which one is better?

        I agree, the guy is a nut...he could have gotten killed, but if anyone shoots him with his gun hanging on his shoulder his family will get a big check.

        Concealed carry permit holders are trained how to conduct themselves around police officers...things like keep two hands on the wheel when an officer approaches your car, hand the police officer your concealed carry card with your drivers licence. In an active shooter situation two people trying to do the right thing are better than one, hopefully your local police chief is not quite that trigger happy...not to mention the police don't always get there before the shooting ends, so making it easier on him won't make it easier for the victims.

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        • #49
          in the end, he has no money and will be doing time for that reason - that is how the system works. He is going to do some time because Officers were hurt responding, that is going to cost him. So at that point they are going to max out what ever they can get to stick and charge him with all kinds of obscure stuff. A Battlefield City officer and another driver “suffered severe injuries” in a crash as the officer rushed to the scene with emergency lights and sirens. Both people were taken to the emergency room.

          Prosecutors on Friday charged Andreychenko, of Springfield, with making a terrorist threat, saying he recklessly disregarded the risk of causing a building evacuation by knowingly sowing fear in the wake of the El Paso mass shooting at the same retail chain. Andreychenko’s second-degree felony charge carries up to four years’ imprisonment and a fine of as much as $10,000. He is being held on $10,000 bond with the stipulation that he may not possess a firearm, according to the prosecutor.

          8 other Walmarts have been threatened in the last week.

          https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-wh...ry?id=64906798

          An interesting thing that has come from this is that Trump has shown he has more power than the NRA. He can destroy the NRA, they cannot effect him much. And for all the NRA folks, the NRA has more information on gun owners than the US government (yes they collect in databases and connect the dots from anything a gun owner has posted or provided) because the us govt rules aimed at the govt do not apply to them. But the US government can now get that information from the NRA - if they so choose, how ironic.
          There are two guys in that zebra costume! Very funny...

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          • #50
            Originally posted by MAL View Post
            Some people protest by rioting and stealing everything in Walmart, and some take their gun and buy things. Which one is better?

            I agree, the guy is a nut...he could have gotten killed, but if anyone shoots him with his gun hanging on his shoulder his family will get a big check.

            Concealed carry permit holders are trained how to conduct themselves around police officers...things like keep two hands on the wheel when an officer approaches your car, hand the police officer your concealed carry card with your drivers licence. In an active shooter situation two people trying to do the right thing are better than one, hopefully your local police chief is not quite that trigger happy...not to mention the police don't always get there before the shooting ends, so making it easier on him won't make it easier for the victims.
            Figures, MAL knows more than the chief of police! Can you do me a favor and Google that and cut-and-paste procedures for a school shooting? As the school year begins I hope and pray that we have a safe one. But I am a tell you right now, well you remodeled homes from the concrete to the shingles all by yourself I have been immersed in the public school system. I’ve seen posts of programs for teachers to be armed. It shows them holding up their target practice for their license. That is so cute. But in reality, when something happens in the school it happens real quick. If the gun is locked up and unloaded it would be quicker to lock the classroom door then it would to be to go look for that. And if it is easily accessible to the teacher that is even worse. If we start arming teachers, I am afraid we will have multiple cases of accidental misfires or even worse, a kid can get it off the teacher. And the police do not have time to decide who is the good guy who is the bad guy. They are not trigger-happy, they are there to save as many lives as possible. By the way, speaking of police officers, I believe we should have multiple armed officers at all times. Some people, including our current principal, feels they show a threatening presences. I love it! It also provides a deterrent. I even told our school to put an old squad car that doesn’t run in front of the school. That alone will make people think twice. I have even seen dummies in a state trooper car under a bridge on the interstate. All of a sudden you see everybody slowing down.
            All of the teachers gasped When the officer told us we will all be searched on the way out the building. He even said he does not know who it is. They have done drills where they have swarmed the building in approximately four minutes and positioned themselves. I trust law enforcement! Not people who passed the seventh grade constitution test and a few training classes.

            I have gotten to know all of our police resource officers over the years. They used to love to come to our wrestling meets and talk to the kids and me. Ask a police officer and they will tell you, yes they are trained in the skill of shooting. But they are also trained not to let anyone get that gun off them!!! When I think of some of these crusty teachers Thinking they can control their pistol while also controlling a struggle. Damn, we are in trouble! I say we let the professionals handle it! I really hope I am wrong but I think arming the teachers is a very bad idea. Maybe it will work in some little town with a population of 130 students. But otherwise, I am afraid this experiment will go very very wrong.
            Always support your local wrestling tournament concession stands!!!

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            • #51
              Originally posted by oldpioneer View Post
              This I know for sure. My dear friends Mack and Mal Have smoke coming out of their ears right now because they have no idea how to respond. I think I’ve made my point.
              LMAO...ummmm...no...I stopped paying attention to anything else you posted on this thread because you are nuts. Oh yea...I have a USPSA match coming up this Sunday...love shooting competition!! Here's an oldie but goodie!

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtaUrhQvC4

              Mack
              Last edited by mckbln; 08-12-2019, 04:09 PM.
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              "On the bloody morning after, one tin soldier rides away..."

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              • #52
                I am may be nuts. And you may not of pay attention to me. But when you saw the headline come across fox that another shooter was neutralized by someone with a concealed carry you were salivating like Pavlovís dog! LOL
                Always support your local wrestling tournament concession stands!!!

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by oldpioneer View Post
                  I am may be nuts. And you may not of pay attention to me. But when you saw the headline come across fox that another shooter was neutralized by someone with a concealed carry you were salivating like Pavlovís dog! LOL
                  I saw that headline days ago, BTW. Anyway, IF you ever want to buy a gun or learn to shoot or shoot better, I'm here!
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by mckbln View Post
                    LMAO...ummmm...no...I stopped paying attention to anything else you posted on this thread because you are nuts. Oh yea...I have a USPSA match coming up this Sunday...love shooting competition!! Here's an oldie but goodie!

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCtaUrhQvC4

                    Mack
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ts_in_shooting

                    In shooting competition, you would think the country with 50% of the guns and the most money in the world would do better in International competition against these countries with restrictive gun laws. Could be like wrestling and judo where having only one competitor skews the country's relative strength. The competitions with multiple competitors are more reflective of that. I am non-partisan in the gun debate, i assume money will move the laws as usual.

                    "Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldn’t be allowed to have any weapon."
                    This is from the President - so evidently this is the line that people should or should not get weapons per the President. So let it be done, and the President would also be flagged by his own standards.
                    Last edited by Blonjuan44; 08-14-2019, 09:14 AM.
                    There are two guys in that zebra costume! Very funny...

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ts_in_shooting

                      In shooting competition, you would think the country with 50% of the guns and the most money in the world would do better in International competition against these countries with restrictive gun laws. Could be like wrestling and judo where having only one competitor skews the country's relative strength. The competitions with multiple competitors are more reflective of that. I am non-partisan in the gun debate, i assume money will move the laws as usual.

                      "Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon."
                      This is from the President - so evidently this is the line that people should or should not get weapons per the President. So let it be done, and the President would also be flagged by his own standards.
                      We actually do well in skeet and trap, but most of the other events are precision shooting, not practical shooting. The US kicks *** in USPSA and 3-Gun events. We have one of the best practical hand gun shooters in the world in JJ Racaza. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbWfwQyglmA

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RF7vZtc5Fw

                      He is REALLY fast!!
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Blonjuan44 View Post
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ts_in_shooting

                        In shooting competition, you would think the country with 50% of the guns and the most money in the world would do better in International competition against these countries with restrictive gun laws. Could be like wrestling and judo where having only one competitor skews the country's relative strength. The competitions with multiple competitors are more reflective of that. I am non-partisan in the gun debate, i assume money will move the laws as usual.

                        "Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldnít be allowed to have any weapon."
                        This is from the President - so evidently this is the line that people should or should not get weapons per the President. So let it be done, and the President would also be flagged by his own standards.
                        You just outlined why red flag laws are a bad Idea...because the party in power would decide who should be red flagged.

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                        • #57
                          I come back here after a few days, and there are six pages of thread and counting. Shocked. I've read a few of the posts, but I'll have to save the remainder for reading later today.

                          I am a Nongunitarian and worship in the Church of NO GUNS ALLOWED. I think everybody should give up their guns. It's just that the Government shouldn't take them--except for assault weapons. It should be voluntary. You should want to give back your guns.

                          Here's something I whipped up a few years back:


                          I'll be back to debate this topic with you fellows later.

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                          • #58
                            Saw an old friend last night. Big gun guy. Was actually wearing a black T-shirt with a white AK-47 on it. Old wrestling reunion from when I was a kid, no names. I knew he was a felon but had to ask where his guns are. He said at home. I said I thought you lost them? He said they tried, but I told them I didnít have them anymore.
                            Always support your local wrestling tournament concession stands!!!

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by ChiefIllini1 View Post
                              I come back here after a few days, and there are six pages of thread and counting. Shocked. I've read a few of the posts, but I'll have to save the remainder for reading later today.

                              I am a Nongunitarian and worship in the Church of NO GUNS ALLOWED. I think everybody should give up their guns. It's just that the Government shouldn't take them--except for assault weapons. It should be voluntary. You should want to give back your guns.

                              Here's something I whipped up a few years back:


                              I'll be back to debate this topic with you fellows later.
                              You would not want to live in a country where only the government had guns. Government is responsible for most of the mass shootings and all of the worst mass shootings.

                              https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by oldpioneer View Post
                                Saw an old friend last night. Big gun guy. Was actually wearing a black T-shirt with a white AK-47 on it. Old wrestling reunion from when I was a kid, no names. I knew he was a felon but had to ask where his guns are. He said at home. I said I thought you lost them? He said they tried, but I told them I didn’t have them anymore.
                                Are you trying to make my point for me?

                                Government is not capable of enforcing the laws that we have now, and criminals do not obey the laws. If we could just enforce the laws that we already have, a significant number of these shootings would not have happened...but we can't enforce them.

                                I think Cameras in high crime areas are the answer to Americas worst gun violence problem.

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