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  • #16
    Originally posted by mckbln View Post
    OPRF got screwed two years with bad draws at Dual Team State or they probably finish 2nd in 2010
    I donít think that the 2010 OPRF Team beats the 2010 Sandburg team that actually did take 2nd or Glenbard North that took 3rd. But I could be wrong.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Matrat140 View Post
      What programs have made the biggest strides in the last 5-10 years?

      Are these programs success related more so to new feeder programs in the area or new coaches?
      Without a doubt OPRF. 2nd Marmion, eventhough they havent won any State Titles they have produced many great indivuals the last ten years. 10 years ago they program was crap.

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      • #18
        Sandburg has to get the nod for biggest strides. There are solid as can be.
        Oprf has made great strides as well with their mass influx of move-ins / transfers, a few years ago but Sandburg has been a pretty solid model of consistency since 2005. They also at least pepper in the move-ins / transfers roughly 2 at a time, so it is a less intrusive way of being very good.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Matrat140 View Post
          Great question. Libertyville has always been a perennial program that has never really had to rebuild but always reloaded until now. Waukegan always had a great program until recently. Maine West had a really strong program. Have coaches left or has competition caught up with the help of new feeder programs/clubs?
          Maine West fall from grace in my opinion was the ending of the Rosemont Cobras. It was one of the top programs and fed Maine West some outstanding wrestlers. Having a feeder program like that they were able to produce a core of wrestlers for multiple years with a fair amount of success. The Cobras produced the Webers (Joe and Lance), Ganas, Waski, Winter, and the Kepeckys. All state place winners, finalists, or state champs.
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          • #20
            I don't know how I didn't mention Marmion but yes they have jumped a lot of levels from 10 years ago.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Kurt Angle View Post
              Sandburg has to get the nod for biggest strides. There are solid as can be.
              Oprf has made great strides as well with their mass influx of move-ins / transfers, a few years ago but Sandburg has been a pretty solid model of consistency since 2005. They also at least pepper in the move-ins / transfers roughly 2 at a time, so it is a less intrusive way of being very good.
              I don't necessarily disagree that overall Sandburg has been more consistent or better than OPRF over the last 10 years but I do believe OPRF has made the biggest strides in the state over that time period. Best/most consistent are not part of the equation when trying to determine who made the bigger strides. Where were the programs 10 years ago and where are they now? The part of the equation that supports my theory about OPRF/Sandburg is "Where were the programs 10 years ago?"

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              • #22
                Originally posted by PapaBearSLIM View Post
                I don't necessarily disagree that overall Sandburg has been more consistent or better than OPRF over the last 10 years but I do believe OPRF has made the biggest strides in the state over that time period. Best/most consistent are not part of the equation when trying to determine who made the bigger strides. Where were the programs 10 years ago and where are they now? The part of the equation that supports my theory about OPRF/Sandburg is "Where were the programs 10 years ago?"
                It truly is amazing what strides can be made when you get magical move ins year after year.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Nelson*0.5 View Post

                  So, let me get this straight......Lockport's success is attributable in part due to the fact that they teach headlocks to freshman as a viable move? BRILLIANT! I wonder if that will become a trend across the state. And then those big guys.....I do see those Lockport upperweights hitting those sneaky headlocks to pull out those big matches quite frequently. LOL.
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                  That is the face I make while reading many of his posts. I'm just glad he didn't side ramble about 4 year starters wrestling year round at large schools which he somehow gets to no matter the thread subject.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Fockerized152 View Post
                    It truly is amazing what strides can be made when you get magical move ins year after year.
                    It's not magic.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by PapaBearSLIM View Post
                      It's not magic.
                      If its not magic what is it. How can kids from all over Illinois end up in OPRF school district.

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                      • #26
                        Programs

                        I believe the question was What programs made huge strides? OPRF, Marmion, Mt Carmel, Sandberg, Montini are not Programs, they are all star teams that were designed.

                        To me a program is someone that has built it from the ground up and continues to do well and compete at a high level and who has strong lower levels. Not just a varsity lineup where people move in to wrestle.

                        Huntley, Lincoln Way, Lyons,, Conant, Deerfield, Naperville coaches and many others deserve more credit.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by 2twins View Post
                          If its not magic what is it. How can kids from all over Illinois end up in OPRF school district.
                          Originally posted by Juice55kg View Post
                          I believe the question was What programs made huge strides? OPRF, Marmion, Mt Carmel, Sandberg, Montini are not Programs, they are all star teams that were designed.

                          To me a program is someone that has built it from the ground up and continues to do well and compete at a high level and who has strong lower levels. Not just a varsity lineup where people move in to wrestle.

                          Huntley, Lincoln Way, Lyons,, Conant, Deerfield, Naperville coaches and many others deserve more credit.
                          Since neither of these are true (at the most exaggerations) Let's just call them a magical non program and not hijack the thread.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by PapaBearSLIM View Post
                            Since neither of these are true (at the most exaggerations) Let's just call them a magical non program and not hijack the thread.
                            Just to be clear, we are calling only teams that have High school move ins allstar teams. if they move in to a district with a good middle school program in 7th grade, then they become "home grown"?

                            I find it odd that we make such a big deal in Illinois about this, living in Iowa city for 6 years I cant even tell you how many people moved specifically to Iowa city west, at least 3 that went onto be NCAA all americans and no one in Iowa complains about this.

                            People move for reasons, sometimes jobs, sometimes academics, sometimes athletics, sometimes nicer areas.

                            Who wouldn't want to do something good for their kid?

                            just a thought.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by PapaBearSLIM View Post
                              It's not magic.
                              well it sure makes posts on here disappear.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by HawkeyeMG View Post
                                Just to be clear, we are calling only teams that have High school move ins allstar teams. if they move in to a district with a good middle school program in 7th grade, then they become "home grown"?

                                I find it odd that we make such a big deal in Illinois about this, living in Iowa city for 6 years I cant even tell you how many people moved specifically to Iowa city west, at least 3 that went onto be NCAA all americans and no one in Iowa complains about this.

                                People move for reasons, sometimes jobs, sometimes academics, sometimes athletics, sometimes nicer areas.

                                Who wouldn't want to do something good for their kid?

                                just a thought.
                                Agreed 1000%

                                This thread is stupid. If these coaches haven't done a good job building their program then why are people moving there?
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