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I come back here after a few days, and there are six pages of thread and counting. Shocked. I've read a few of the posts, but I'll have to save the remainder for reading later today.

I am a Nongunitarian and worship in the Church of NO GUNS ALLOWED. I think everybody should give up their guns. It's just that the Government shouldn't take them--except for assault weapons. It should be voluntary. You should want to give back your guns.

Here's something I whipped up a few years back:


I'll be back to debate this topic with you fellows later.
LOL...never going to give up my guns...EVER!! Oh yea...I have no idea what "assault weapons" you are talking about.
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I see we have a few non-believers in the crowd. Good. The Reverend needs a challenge. By the time I'm done preaching, you'll be trembling and shaking, throwing your arms up to the Heavens, begging for the collection plate to be passed so you can throw all of your guns upon it.

Brothers and Sisters, I'm gonna talk to you about guns like you've never heard before. It will be as if I'm your Elmer Gantry and this thread is a giant tent filled with sweaty evangelical men who need to find Jesus.

They want to find Jesus.

They don't know it yet, my friends, but they must find Jesus. And you will. You will. In the CHURCH OF NO GUNS ALLOWED you will find yourself. The Jesus inside of you. Each one of you.


Your catechism starts now, my friends, my Brothers and Sisters, as I ask you this question:

WHAT IS GUN OWNERSHIP?


What, exactly, does it mean to own a gun? Are you the owner of the gun, or has the gun become the owner of you? Let me tell you what gun ownership is nowadays, my friends, it is cos-play.

Gun ownership is Cos-Play.




That's right, gun ownership is Cos-Play. Nothing more; nothing less. You didn't realize it until just now, Brother, but while you've been playing your video games and watching your TVs over the past couple of decades, your gun has become extinct.

It is a prop.

It only usefully exists to murder innocent people. You'll have to forgive my "usefully" there, brethren. What I mean is that, nowadays, the ultimate and only practical use for a gun has become murder or suicide.

Your Sermon continues in the next post ...
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While you've been watching your teevees and playing your video games-ah, your gun has become-ah, extinct.

"Don't I need a gun for hunting?"

No, you don't. What you need the gun for is Cos-Play. You can find all the meat you need at Walmart or Kroger's. Cost you a lot less, my friends, than a hunting license, ammunition, the camouflaged costumes, guns, special tools to prep the meat, the new freezer to keep it cool, and all the beer you guzzle while out on your man date.

"Don't the Police need guns for crime-fighting?"

No, they don't. If you aren't familiar with police in just about every other country in the world, let me tell you this, Brothers: They don't need guns. Most importantly, you don't even need police. Just some shaggy-haired dude behind a joystick as he directs the police-bot to approach the criminal. It is already happening, my friends. It has already happened.

"But don't I need a gun for home security?"

No, you don't. Having a gun in your home equals home insecurity. That gun is much more likely to be involved in an accident among friends or family, or be involved in an intentional shooting or a negligent one. It is more likely to be stolen.

My flock, did you not know that over 200,000 guns are stolen each year in America? Now the burglar has a gun! Not only have you made yourself less safe, but now your neighbors are less safe.

Also, the gun that you bought and keep well-oiled and clean will go to your son or daughter when you pass. Are they responsible? What about their kids? Or, their kids' kids? The only gun that gets thrown away is a murder weapon. There is going to be a weak link in that chain. Somebody will be drunk, negligent, high, stupid, homicidal, a burglary victim, suicidal or reckless. You are responsible.

"But I keep my guns safely in a gun safe!"

First off, my friends, guns are useless to you in the event of a home invasion if they are locked up in a safe. And if they are not locked up, then they make your home less secure. Let me tell you a true story, my Brothers and Sisters, that's relevant to our discussion here:

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-- True story. When I was eight or nine, my father used to buy all of the assorted Shasta colas, two or three cases at a time. I really liked the cream soda, but the grape was excellent, and the orange was better than thirst. If there was a cream soda in the house at nightfall, it would be disappeared by morning.

I would drink sodas in the morning and more at night. My father sought to quell this behavior by purchasing a refrigerator with a built-in lock to put in the basement. I jimmied the lock with a thin piece of metal. It took me a day.

My father bought a chain and a combination padlock, and that baffled me for a couple of days. Then, I rounded up some tools and took off the door of the refrigerator. I liked Shasta, sure, but it was the challenge more than anything else.

Your gun cabinet is a challenge.
"I need my guns to protect me from the Government."

No, you don't. How useful would your gun be against a drone attack? Against a tank? Your Red Dawn fantasy is funny to me, Brothers, but creepy too, really, really creepy. It is true that your handgun shoots deadly little missiles, but our Government shoots deadly huge missiles.

While you weren't paying attention this is how your guns became extinct:





Your Sermon will continue next week on the topic of "Selfishness." Until then, Brothers and Sisters, think about today's lesson. You will be free one day; one glorious day you shall be free ...
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Explain this, Einstein:

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/c...-1993-and-2013
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Hey Preacher of the Church of No Guns, sit down...twice having a firearm protected my family (road rage incident), and myself (attempted mugging) and I didn't even fire a shot. Secondly, like it or not the 2nd Amendment protects "The right to bear arms", and if I own guns...actually quite a few, and that bothers you...well....that is YOUR problem!! The problem with anti-gun folks like you is that you suffer from a complete lack of knowledge concerning firearms and responsible owners. I notice a person with a CCL stopped a car jacking just a few days ago. Also, for your education, the AR-15 is NOT an "assault rifle" nor is it "high powered". In fact the .223cal/5.56mm round it uses is classified as a varmint round for hunting purposes. There never was an "assault rifle" until the end of WWII when the Germans came out with the STG-44 Sturmgewehr...which literally means "assault rifle" and was the rifle Kalashnikov copied when he designed the AK 47. I know EXACTLY what an assault rifle is because I carried an M16A1E in the 82nd ABN DIV, then a CAR-15 while I was in 1st SFOD-D, aka "Delta Force", which was later replaced by the M4. I shoot competitively so I can maintain my skills. I have a CCL although I rarely carry, but make no mistake; IF I was carrying and came upon an active shooter in a school, shopping mall, or any other Gun Free Zone that cowardly mass shooters pick, I wouldn't hesitate to enter unless the police were already there. It's interesting to note that one thing totalitarian or socialist governments do is disarm the population because they are easier to control. Go back to April 19th, 1775, Lexington and Concord, when British regulars were moving to confiscate Colonial militia firearms and supplies...and the resulting "shot heard round the world". Cosplay???? LMAO...get a grip dude....oh yea...and stick to your corny Illini posts in the college wrestling section. Oh yea...IF you ever change your mind and want to buy a gun or learn to shoot, I teach for free.
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Old 08-17-2019
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LOL...never going to give up my guns...EVER!! Oh yea...I have no idea what "assault weapons" you are talking about.
I humped an M16 in the Army and fired and taught my squad how to fire the 50 Cal. We all know what the term "assault weapons" means.
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First, my name's not Einstein. You have me confused with someone else. My name is Dr. Worm. I'm not a real doctor, but I am a real worm. An actual worm. Now, about the meat of your post:

I don't see what I need to explain. The graph plots two seperate phenomenon during a time frame. I suppose you think that the chart proves causation and not correlation. That would not be a safe assumption for many reasons.

I also suspect that you would go a step further, claiming that even more guns would equal even fewer homicides. That is also a dangerous assumption.

Let's consider a few of the reasons you cannot prove causation from this chart. The first and most obvious reason is that there may be another cause or many other causes acting in combination.

I can think of many possible causes for a reduction in gun-related homicides during that time frame. Can you? I would be disappointed if you could not. For example, during that time our nation saw a number of mass phenomena that could be contributing factors, including neighborhood policing, mass incarceration, urban renewal, gun safety laws in urban areas, neighborhood watches, background checks, assault weapon bans, and on and on.

The one phenomenon that seems to run contrary to this data set is violent video games. So, if your favorite politician wants to restrict video games (instead of, say, assault weapons), you should send him or her a copy of this chart. I think the chart is still weak in making your point, but you might fool a member of congress.

There are additional problems with the chart (as you appear to read it), including the short time frame, the numbers put in the chart (i.e. do they come from the NRA? Do they include suicide? They don't appear to), the rise in mass shootings and domestic terrorism. That phenomenon seems to be on the rise. The chart, for example, ends in 2013 before the relative explosion of mass shootings.

REMINDER: THE SUNDAY SERMON WILL BE ENTITLED "THE SELFISHNESS SPECTRUM." POT LUCK WILL BE SERVED. MCKBLN WILL BRING A BEAN CASSEROLE, I'LL HAVE TACO FIXINGS AND SAL BANDINI WILL PROVIDE DRINKS. SEE YOU SUNDAY NIGHT!
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While you've been watching your teevees and playing your video games-ah, your gun has become-ah, extinct.

"Don't I need a gun for hunting?"

No, you don't. What you need the gun for is Cos-Play. You can find all the meat you need at Walmart or Kroger's. Cost you a lot less, my friends, than a hunting license, ammunition, the camouflaged costumes, guns, special tools to prep the meat, the new freezer to keep it cool, and all the beer you guzzle while out on your man date.

"Don't the Police need guns for crime-fighting?"

No, they don't. If you aren't familiar with police in just about every other country in the world, let me tell you this, Brothers: They don't need guns. Most importantly, you don't even need police. Just some shaggy-haired dude behind a joystick as he directs the police-bot to approach the criminal. It is already happening, my friends. It has already happened.

"But don't I need a gun for home security?"

No, you don't. Having a gun in your home equals home insecurity. That gun is much more likely to be involved in an accident among friends or family, or be involved in an intentional shooting or a negligent one. It is more likely to be stolen.

My flock, did you not know that over 200,000 guns are stolen each year in America? Now the burglar has a gun! Not only have you made yourself less safe, but now your neighbors are less safe.

Also, the gun that you bought and keep well-oiled and clean will go to your son or daughter when you pass. Are they responsible? What about their kids? Or, their kids' kids? The only gun that gets thrown away is a murder weapon. There is going to be a weak link in that chain. Somebody will be drunk, negligent, high, stupid, homicidal, a burglary victim, suicidal or reckless. You are responsible.

"But I keep my guns safely in a gun safe!"

First off, my friends, guns are useless to you in the event of a home invasion if they are locked up in a safe. And if they are not locked up, then they make your home less secure. Let me tell you a true story, my Brothers and Sisters, that's relevant to our discussion here:



"I need my guns to protect me from the Government."

No, you don't. How useful would your gun be against a drone attack? Against a tank? Your Red Dawn fantasy is funny to me, Brothers, but creepy too, really, really creepy. It is true that your handgun shoots deadly little missiles, but our Government shoots deadly huge missiles.

While you weren't paying attention this is how your guns became extinct:


Your Sermon will continue next week on the topic of "Selfishness." Until then, Brothers and Sisters, think about today's lesson. You will be free one day; one glorious day you shall be free ...
Why is it that the anti-gun people always want to take guns from the good guys first? If you could take your sermon to the inner cities and bring back a truck load of guns, you would have my attention.

If you could actually remove all guns from the United States, Canada would probably be the first to invade. Taking guns will not cure the criminal mind. If we could actually cure the criminal mind many people would probably never buy guns in the first place.

If you want to stop gun crime focus on the gun criminals.
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First, my name's not Einstein. You have me confused with someone else. My name is Dr. Worm. I'm not a real doctor, but I am a real worm. An actual worm. Now, about the meat of your post:

I don't see what I need to explain. The graph plots two seperate phenomenon during a time frame. I suppose you think that the chart proves causation and not correlation. That would not be a safe assumption for many reasons.

I also suspect that you would go a step further, claiming that even more guns would equal even fewer homicides. That is also a dangerous assumption.

Let's consider a few of the reasons you cannot prove causation from this chart. The first and most obvious reason is that there may be another cause or many other causes acting in combination.

I can think of many possible causes for a reduction in gun-related homicides during that time frame. Can you? I would be disappointed if you could not. For example, during that time our nation saw a number of mass phenomena that could be contributing factors, including neighborhood policing, mass incarceration, urban renewal, gun safety laws in urban areas, neighborhood watches, background checks, assault weapon bans, and on and on.

The one phenomenon that seems to run contrary to this data set is violent video games. So, if your favorite politician wants to restrict video games (instead of, say, assault weapons), you should send him or her a copy of this chart. I think the chart is still weak in making your point, but you might fool a member of congress.

There are additional problems with the chart (as you appear to read it), including the short time frame, the numbers put in the chart (i.e. do they come from the NRA? Do they include suicide? They don't appear to), the rise in mass shootings and domestic terrorism. That phenomenon seems to be on the rise. The chart, for example, ends in 2013 before the relative explosion of mass shootings.

REMINDER: THE SUNDAY SERMON WILL BE ENTITLED "THE SELFISHNESS SPECTRUM." POT LUCK WILL BE SERVED. MCKBLN WILL BRING A BEAN CASSEROLE, I'LL HAVE TACO FIXINGS AND SAL BANDINI WILL PROVIDE DRINKS. SEE YOU SUNDAY NIGHT!
It is clear from that chart that more guns did not cause more crime.

The chart does not include suicide. Suicide is not cause by a gun, it's caused by a mind. You have no evidence that the suicides would not have occurred in the absence of a gun.

Mass shootings are a minuscule number in the total of gun homicides.

In countries that do not have guns violent crime is higher. like England for example.
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To the omniscient and omnipotent Reverend Illinewek,

As a faithful believer in your sermon I call on you to make the sinners repent! I would say, forgive them father because they know not what they do. But actually, they know exactly what they’re doing . It is you who shall cast a light to fill their darkness. I will be there Sunday morning. How can I donate? We are going to need a lot of coinage to compete with the NRA! Op
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