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Old 03-24-2013
Yokel1 Yokel1 is offline
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Does Illinois Officiate Wrestling Correctly?

This has may have already been discussed, but as I watched the Dake vs Taylor match last night I couldn't help but think if this match were being wrestled at the IHSA State Tournament, Dake would have been hit for stalling so many times Child Services would have stopped the match. It was obvious that in the 3rd period, Dake was not "trying to improve his position" his intent was to ride and he said as much in the post match interview. We all know, there is no way this strategy flies in Illinois. I've heard a lot of comments that a weakness of Illinois wrestlers at NCAA Division I level is the fact that they are poor at riding.
I have never watched the Pennsylvania or New Jersey state tournament, is their style more reflective of the NCAA or are they like us in that if you're not turning the bottom man your getting hit. They both had a lot more qualifiers than Illinois.
Do we officiate wrestling this way because "riding is boring" and I have to admit that third period was not very exciting.
And before the haters start, My son never lost a close match and I'm not fishing for any sort of validation just wondering why are officiating is so different from NCAA.
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This has may have already been discussed, but as I watched the Dake vs Taylor match last night I couldn't help but think if this match were being wrestled at the IHSA State Tournament, Dake would have been hit for stalling so many times Child Services would have stopped the match. It was obvious that in the 3rd period, Dake was not "trying to improve his position" his intent was to ride and he said as much in the post match interview. We all know, there is no way this strategy flies in Illinois. I've heard a lot of comments that a weakness of Illinois wrestlers at NCAA Division I level is the fact that they are poor at riding.
I have never watched the Pennsylvania or New Jersey state tournament, is their style more reflective of the NCAA or are they like us in that if you're not turning the bottom man your getting hit. They both had a lot more qualifiers than Illinois.
Do we officiate wrestling this way because "riding is boring" and I have to admit that third period was not very exciting.
And before the haters start, My son never lost a close match and I'm not fishing for any sort of validation just wondering why are officiating is so different from NCAA.
easy answer.....riding time. Look at how they officiate out of bounds, totally different as well.
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Old 03-24-2013
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The NCAA rules and NFHS rules are completely different regarding stalling, out of bounds, potentially dangerous, etc.
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Then what are we doing

Based on these two answers, sounds like we are in fact not teaching our kids to wrestle D1 which is exactly what I was thinking as well.
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Old 03-24-2013
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Hard to compare college and HS...

But I will say IL does not referee like OH, NJ, and PA.

IMO, IL refs call stalling calls on top way to quickly and these other states allow the top man the opportunity to wrestle there.

I've also noticed those states call escapes differently when the top wrestler is hanging on the leg. I believe they call escapes much quicker with not a lot of separation.
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Boy, if you call that last period boring? Great "folkstyle" wrestling demands excellence in all three components and Dake is truly a master. To watch the athletiscm and body control he used was absolutely outstanding. Lots of Pennsylvania wrestlers are (and yes, Dake is a New Yorker) quite exceptional at getting out and riding tough while negating the neutral position against superior takedown specialists. Illinois has some great talent but learning the mat game at the next level sure puts some, if not most, behind the proverbial eight ball.
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polz got ridden a whole period by caldwell. caldwell is a tulsa kid......not a pennsylvanian, nor a new yorker..........rodeo experience?
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Dake did get hit with stalling once for what it's worth.
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Actually, like Maple, Caldwell is from Kansas and after spending time with a couple different programs he certainly knows something about "riding". As for Dake and the ride (stall) warning Tim Johnson was pretty clear about how questionable that call was. Again, when done well riding can be impressive.
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Actually, like Maple, Caldwell is from Kansas and after spending time with a couple different programs he certainly knows something about "riding". As for Dake and the ride (stall) warning Tim Johnson was pretty clear about how questionable that call was. Again, when done well riding can be impressive.
The stall on Dake was the correct call. He was sitting on the hips of Taylor and not moving. He was fine when hanging off the side but when sitting directly behind/on the hips without moving is stalling.
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