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Old 01-31-2020
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If I am in this country illegally, I doubt but I am not sure, I donít think I would receive a jury summons. If I did, I would throw it away and not respond. Now if I was born and raised in Southern Cal And soaking up some cool waves and a nice buzz I would definitely say Iím Not a citizen and blow it off. In fact I think I did that one time when I received the summons to appear in cook county court. I have gone to jury duty but thereís just one problem. I was teaching 2000 miles away in Harris county Texas.
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Nobody cares, illegal voting is very rare, and of no consequence. Trump may say millions voted illegally against him but that was just one of his many un-proven massive lies. 1 person has gone to jail for illegally voting in the last 10 years, and the sentence was insanely long. You can get less for murder.
People have fought and died to preserve the right to vote in this country.

"2008 Presidential Election. A 2014 article published in the journal Electoral Studies found that "non-citizen voters likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform." The report also noted that "there is reason to believe non-citizen voting changed one state's Electoral College votes in 2008, delivering North Carolina to Obama."

Researchers from Old Dominion University (ODU) and George Mason University (GMU) analyzed participation rates by non-citizens using data from 2008 and 2010 Cooperative Congressional Election Studies. With this data, the researchers estimated that roughly 620,000 non-citizens were registered to vote prior to the 2008 election.

The researchers focused on the North Carolina presidential tally as well as the senate race in Minnesota. By comparing non-citizen turnout to the vote margin needed to win the elections, they concluded that non-citizen voting likely won the elections for the Democratic Party candidates in both instances. Referring to the North Carolina election, the authors wrote that "it is likely ... that John McCain would have won North Carolina were it not for the votes for Obama cast by non-citizens." They described the Minnesota senate election as one of the most important congressional races in that election cycle, given that it ensured a 60-vote filibuster-proof Democratic majority. Notably, the vote was decided by only 312 votes. Highlighting the razor-thin margin in which candidate Al Franken won, the authors wrote that "participation by more than 0.65 percent of non-citizens in MN is sufficient to account for the entirety of Franken's margin. Our best guess is that nearly ten times as many voted."

Furthermore, the authors found that many non-citizen voters were able to vote even in states with strict voter ID laws. They wrote: "the fact that most non-citizen immigrants who showed identification were subsequently permitted to vote suggests that efforts to use photo identification to prevent non-citizen voting are unlikely to be particularly effective." They suggested that strict voter ID laws are not a hindrance to non-citizen voting because many are regularly given government-issued ID such as driver's licenses.

The findings presented in the report are alarming. The report's allegation that major elections were decided by the votes of non-citizens is deeply troubling and an indication that something in our system needs to change to keep aliens from deciding the outcome of elections."


https://cis.org/Huennekens/Aliens-and-Voter-Fraud
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Old 02-01-2020
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Republicans are the ones obsessed with Hillary. By the way, I just read that a portion of the wall fell down on the Mexican side but donít worry they will push it back up and send us the bill!
So you are saying that Mexico is now helping us with the wall?
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If I am in this country illegally, I doubt but I am not sure, I donít think I would receive a jury summons. If I did, I would throw it away and not respond. Now if I was born and raised in Southern Cal And soaking up some cool waves and a nice buzz I would definitely say Iím Not a citizen and blow it off. In fact I think I did that one time when I received the summons to appear in cook county court. I have gone to jury duty but thereís just one problem. I was teaching 2000 miles away in Harris county Texas.
If 449,000 people claimed to be illegal, there is a very significant problem somewhere. Maybe we should get to the bottom of it.
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Republicans are the ones obsessed with Hillary. By the way, I just read that a portion of the wall fell down on the Mexican side but donít worry they will push it back up and send us the bill!
You should have posted a link to the story. High winds and wet cement were the cause.
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You should have posted a link to the story. High winds and wet cement were the cause.
37 mph winds! All cement is wet at one time. People who know what theyíre doing take that consideration. Letís be clear mall I wasnít saying the wall did it. When you build a fence for someone and it falls over do you tell them I donít know what to say it was windy and the concrete was wet so you are **** out of luck! LOL
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So you are saying that Mexico is now helping us with the wall?
They have to. There is an access road right on the other side if there weren’t trees there it would’ve fell and killed pedestrians and motorists. See that might not be a big deal to you.
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People have fought and died to preserve the right to vote in this country.

"2008 Presidential Election. A 2014 article published in the journal Electoral Studies found that "non-citizen voters likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform." The report also noted that "there is reason to believe non-citizen voting changed one state's Electoral College votes in 2008, delivering North Carolina to Obama."

Researchers from Old Dominion University (ODU) and George Mason University (GMU) analyzed participation rates by non-citizens using data from 2008 and 2010 Cooperative Congressional Election Studies. With this data, the researchers estimated that roughly 620,000 non-citizens were registered to vote prior to the 2008 election.

The researchers focused on the North Carolina presidential tally as well as the senate race in Minnesota. By comparing non-citizen turnout to the vote margin needed to win the elections, they concluded that non-citizen voting likely won the elections for the Democratic Party candidates in both instances. Referring to the North Carolina election, the authors wrote that "it is likely ... that John McCain would have won North Carolina were it not for the votes for Obama cast by non-citizens." They described the Minnesota senate election as one of the most important congressional races in that election cycle, given that it ensured a 60-vote filibuster-proof Democratic majority. Notably, the vote was decided by only 312 votes. Highlighting the razor-thin margin in which candidate Al Franken won, the authors wrote that "participation by more than 0.65 percent of non-citizens in MN is sufficient to account for the entirety of Franken's margin. Our best guess is that nearly ten times as many voted."

Furthermore, the authors found that many non-citizen voters were able to vote even in states with strict voter ID laws. They wrote: "the fact that most non-citizen immigrants who showed identification were subsequently permitted to vote suggests that efforts to use photo identification to prevent non-citizen voting are unlikely to be particularly effective." They suggested that strict voter ID laws are not a hindrance to non-citizen voting because many are regularly given government-issued ID such as driver's licenses.

The findings presented in the report are alarming. The report's allegation that major elections were decided by the votes of non-citizens is deeply troubling and an indication that something in our system needs to change to keep aliens from deciding the outcome of elections."


https://cis.org/Huennekens/Aliens-and-Voter-Fraud
most legal citizens don't even, paranoia about illegals voting is statistically meaningless. Least of our problems, the wealth gap and tent cities are about to get a lot worse.
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most legal citizens don't even, paranoia about illegals voting is statistically meaningless. Least of our problems, the wealth gap and tent cities are about to get a lot worse.
I don't think that an illegal casting the deciding vote to push through Obama Care is " statistically meaningless". That illegal vote nullified the vote of thousands of Minnesota voters...and changed the will of the American electorate. Without that one illegal vote we would have never had Obama Care passed.
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I don't think that an http://illinoismatmen.com/forum/imag...pop.gifillegal casting the deciding vote to push through Obama Care is " statistically meaningless". That illegal vote nullified the vote of thousands of Minnesota voters...and changed the will of the American electorate. Without that one illegal vote we would have never had Obama Care passed.
No. You are wrong, that is like old dude I know that said Muhammed is the most popular child name in Minnesota. These stories are so dumb. What a joke.
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