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I seem to remember someone saying on an open mic "tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after my last election" Who was that?

The Ukraine is a NATO partner. We are bound by treaty to defend all NATO nations. Who was it that sat on his hands while Putin was invading the Crimea? Remember, we are bound by treaty to defend Ukraine and the Individual that promised flexibility after 2012 sat on his hands and offered no military aid during the 2014 invasion of Crimea.

Do you think Putin is supportive of Trump selling Tank busting Javelin Missiles to Ukraine? Obama actually did withhold military aid during an invasion.

Now you have gone and done it...I'm going to have to copy and paste again.

Here is a list of actions against Russia that Trump has taken.

Total number of policy actions: 49


2019
Aug 2
Sanctions – In response to Salisbury attack
The U.S. Department of State announced more sanctions against Russia over its use of a nerve agent in Salisbury in 2018. The sanctions fall under the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act and mean the U.S. will oppose loans and assistance by international financial institutions, and restrictions on the export on Department of Commerce-controlled goods and technology.

May 16
Sanctions – In response to human rights abuses
A Chechen group and 5 Russian individuals were sanctioned under the Magnitsky Act over allegations of human rights abuses, including extrajudicial killings and the torture of LGBT people.

May 14
Meeting – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Moscow, Russia
May 1
Statement – On democracy in Venezuela
President Trump denounced Russia’s continued support for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

Apr 24
Statement – In response to Russian assault on Ukraine’s sovereignty
The U.S. Department of State condemned Russia’s decision to grant expedited citizenship to residents of Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine.

Mar 15
Sanctions – In response to Russia’s continued aggression in Ukraine
6 Russian individuals and 8 entities were sanctioned for their involvement in attacks on Ukrainian naval vessels in the Kerch Strait, the annexation of Crimea, and backing of separatist government elections in eastern Ukraine. These actions complement sanctions also taken by the European Union and Canada on the same day.

Mar 14
Statement – In response to escalation of attacks against Idlib, Syria
The U.S. Department of State condemned Russian offensive operations against northern Hama and southern Idlib in Syria.

Mar 11
Sanctions – In response to dealings with Venezuela
The United States sanctioned Evrofinance Mosnarbank, a Moscow-based bank jointly owned by Russian and Venezuelan state-owned companies, for attempting to circumvent U.S. sanctions on Venezuela.

Mar 4
Notice – Continuation of national emergency with respect to Ukraine
President Trump announced the continuation for one year of the national emergency declared with respect to Ukraine.

Feb 27
Statement – On Russian occupation of Crimea
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement condemning Russia’s illegal actions in Crimea and its continued aggression against Ukraine.

Feb 1
Statement – Withdrawing from the INF Treaty
The U.S. administration announced it would suspend its obligations under the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty because Russia was not complying with it.

Jan 29
Release – Worldwide Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community
U.S. intelligence officials delivered their annual assessment of global threats to national security to Congress, identifying cooperation between China and Russia as their top concern.

2018
Dec 21
Statement – Increasing security assistance to Ukraine’s navy
The U.S. Department of State announced it would provide an additional $10 million in Foreign Military Financing to further build Ukraine’s naval capabilities in response to Russian attacks near the Kerch Strait.

Dec 19
Sanctions – In response to Russia’s continued disregard for international norms
18 Russian individuals were sanctioned for their involvement in a wide range of malign activities, including attempting to interfere in the 2016 U.S. election, efforts to undermine international organizations through cyber-enabled means, and the Skripal attack in the United Kingdom.

Dec 7
Statement – In response to Russian false allegations on chemical weapons use in Aleppo, Syria
The U.S. Department of State refuted Russia’s and the Assad regime’s false accusations that the opposition and extremist groups conducted a chlorine attack in northwestern Aleppo.

Dec 4
Statement – Withdrawing from the INF Treaty
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that the U.S. would withdraw from the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty in 60 days if Russia did not return to compliance.

Nov 26
Statements – In response to dangerous escalation in the Kerch Strait
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley condemned Russia’s decision to intercept, fire on, and seize three Ukrainian navy vessels in the Black Sea.

Oct 19
Indictments – In response to attempted interference in U.S. political system
A Russian woman was charged for her alleged role in a conspiracy to interfere in the U.S. political system, including the 2018 midterm election.

Oct 4
Indictments – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
7 officers of the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) were charged for their involvement in hacking Olympic athletes, anti-doping organizations, and chemical weapons monitors.

Sep 20
Sanctions – In response to malicious activities
33 Russian individuals and entities were sanctioned for their role in U.S. election interference and their involvement in supporting military operations in Syria and Ukraine. A Chinese entity and its director were also sanctioned for purchasing jet fighters and missiles from Russia.

Sep 12
Executive Order – Imposing sanctions for election interference
President Trump signed an executive order imposing sanctions on any nation or individual who authorizes, directs, or sponsors meddling operations in U.S. elections. The order would allow for the freezing of assets and the limiting of foreign access to U.S. financial institutions, as well as a cutoff of U.S. investment in sanctioned companies.

Sep 6
Statement – In response to Salisbury attack
The United States issued a joint statement with France, Germany, Canada, and the United Kingdom, reiterating its outrage at the use of a chemical nerve agent in Salisbury and expressing full confidence in the British assessment that the suspects were officers of the Russian military intelligence service (GRU).

Aug 21
Sanctions – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
2 Russian individuals, a Russian company, and a Slovakian company were sanctioned for helping another Russian company avoid sanctions over the country’s malicious cyber-related activities.

Aug 21
Testimony – Assistant Secretary of State A. Wess Mitchell before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Aug 8
Sanctions – In response to Salisbury attack
The U.S. administration announced it would restrict remaining sources of foreign assistance and arms sales to Russia, and deny U.S. credit to Russia, including through the Export-Import Bank. Restrictions would also prohibit the export of security-sensitive goods and technology.

Jul 25
Testimony – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Jul 25
Declaration – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issues Crimea Declaration
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced a formal policy reaffirming the U.S. rejection of Russia’s annexation of Crimea. The announcement was released an hour before his scheduled testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Jul 16
Meeting – Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki, Finland
Jul 13
Indictments – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
12 Russian intelligence officers were sanctioned for their involvement in hacking the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton presidential campaign.

Jul 11-12
Meeting – NATO Summit in Brussels, Belgium
Jun 11
Sanctions – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
5 Russian entities and 3 individuals – all closely linked to Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) – were sanctioned.

Apr 6
Sanctions – In response to worldwide malign activity
7 Russian oligarchs and the companies they own or control, 17 senior Russian government officials, and a state-owned Russian weapons trading company (and a bank it owns) were sanctioned for their roles in advancing Russia’s malign activities – including the continued occupation of Crimea, engaging in cyberattacks, and supporting Assad’s regime.

Mar 26
Expulsions – Russian intelligence officers in Washington and Seattle
48 Russian intelligence officers from the Russian embassy in Washington were expelled, and the Russian consulate in Seattle was ordered to close, in response to the Skripal poisoning in the United Kingdom.

Mar 25
Expulsions – Russian intelligence officers in New York
12 Russian intelligence officers from the Russian Mission to the United Nations in New York were expelled for actions deemed to be abuses of their privilege of residence.

Mar 15
Sanctions – In response to election meddling and cyberattacks
5 Russian entities and 19 individuals were sanctioned for conducting a series of cyberattacks and interfering in the 2016 U.S. elections.

Mar 15
Alert – In response to Russian government cyber activity
The Department of Homeland Security and FBI issued a joint Technical Alert on Russian government actions targeting U.S. government entities, as well as organizations in the energy, nuclear, commercial facilities, water, aviation, and critical manufacturing sectors.

Mar 15
Statement – In response to Salisbury attack
The United States issued a joint statement with France, Germany, and the United Kingdom strongly condemning the Salisbury nerve agent attack and suggesting Russia was responsible for it.

Mar 14
Statement – In response to Salisbury attack
The U.S. administration issued a statement expressing its solidarity to the United Kingdom over the nerve agent attack in Salisbury, and sharing its assessment that Russia was responsible for it.

Mar 4
Statement – In response to Russian and Syrian regime attacks on Eastern Gouta, Syria
The U.S. administration condemned the military offensive that the Assad regime, backed by Russia and Iran, had been conducting in Syria’s Eastern Ghouta region.

Mar 4
Poisoning – Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, England
Feb 16
Indictments – In response to election meddling and cyberattacks
3 Russian entities and 13 individuals were indicted for conducting information operations to influence the 2016 U.S. elections.

Feb 15
Statement – In response to “NotPetya”
The U.S. administration condemned the Russian military for launching a destructive cyberattack in June 2017, also known as “NotPetya.”

Feb 13
Statement – Proposing sanctions on Latvian bank involved in illicit Russian-related activity
The Department of the Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network proposed a new rule to ban ABLV Bank AS, Latvia’s third-biggest bank, for its involvement in illicit Russia-related activity.

Feb 7
Military Action – In response to attack on U.S.-held base in Deir Ezzor, Syria
U.S. troops killed hundreds of Syrian forces backed by Russian mercenaries (as well as Russian private military contractors). The American bombing was launched in response to a surprise attack on a U.S.-held base in the oil-rich Deir Ezzor region in Syria.

Jan 29
Release – Russian ‘Oligarch list’
The Department of the Treasury released a list of the most significant senior foreign political figures and oligarchs in the Russian Federation that could potentially be at risk of sanctions (114 senior political figures close to Russian President Putin and 96 oligarchs with a net worth of $1 billion or more).

Jan 26
Sanctions – In response to Ukraine conflict
21 individuals and 9 entities were sanctioned in connection with the conflict in Ukraine and Russia’s occupation of Crimea.

Jan 19
Release – National Defense Strategy
The Department of Defense released its National Defense Strategy, identifying Russia and China as strategic competitors to the United States.

2017
Dec 22
Announcement – Provision of lethal weapons to Ukraine
The U.S. administration approved a plan to provide Ukraine with enhanced defensive capabilities to help it fight off Russia-backed separatists.

Dec 20
Sanctions – Global Magnitsky Act
52 people and entities from Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, and elsewhere were sanctioned for alleged human rights violations and corruption.

Dec 19
Export restrictions – In response to INF Treaty violation
The Department of Commerce announced new licensing and export restrictions on Russian companies Novator and Titan-Barrikady over production of a cruise missile prohibited by the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF).

Dec 18
Release – National Security Strategy
The White House released its National Security Strategy, identifying Russia and China as adversarial to the United States.

Nov 10-11
Meeting – APEC Economic Leaders’ Summit in Da Nang, Vietnam
Oct 27
Release – Guidance on CAATSA Section 231(d)
The Department of State issued public guidance on the implementation of Section 231 of the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act of 2017 (CAATSA). The guidance specified 39 entities that the Department of State determined are part of – or are operating on behalf of – the Russian defense or intelligence sectors.

Sep 13
Ban – Government use of Kaspersky Labs software
The U.S. administration banned the use of Kaspersky Labs software on government computers due to Kaspersky’s ties to Russian intelligence services.

Aug 2
Legislation – President Trump signs Russia sanctions bill into law (CAATSA)
President Trump signed into law the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions act (CAATSA), enacting new sanctions on Russia, Iran, and North Korea.

Jul 7-8
Meeting – G-20 Summit in Hamburg, Germany
May 26-27
Meeting – G-7 Summit in Sicily, Italy
May 24-25
Meeting – NATO Summit in Brussels, Belgium
Mar 15
Indictments – In response to 2014 Yahoo hack
Three Russian individuals were charged for the 2014 Yahoo hack, including two officers of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB).
So you are still a Trump supporter and think that it would be a good idea if he were the President from 2020 to 2024? That he is the best we have?
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This is the first step in a long intricate process. Keep in mind, Blonjuan, where we will end up (my last sentence in this comment).
Yes, very long, it typically takes 8 years...sometimes it can be done in 4 years, but usually 8...but we will get him out of there!

Loved the witnesses! They did a great job doing their job, which was to testify matter of factly about what happened.
The witnesses had no first hand knowledge of anything...at least that's what they said.
They did more.

Because of their expertise and experiences they were able to convey exactly how the United States and Ukraine were seriously damaged.

They were as credible as you will find in human witnesses.

This was opening statement/lay the groundwork day, and it was a complete success in that respect. A Vietnam Vet with the voice of God established that Trump attempted to bribe the Ukrainian government. He also dropped the bombshell about Trump's follow-up call to check on the bribery scheme.

Nunes was hysterical comedically and psychologically. He's awful dumb as well. I like the setup of Schiff versus Nunes, and if future witnesses are as good as yesterday's, Republican Senators will be screwed after the televised Senate trial--one way or another.
Schiff never thought that Trump would release the transcript...he thought he could just continue to make up what ever he wanted and Trumps hands would be tied because it was classified. I am still waiting to see the evidence that Shiff claimed he had that proved Trump colluded with Russia.

...but this is my favorite. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._from_fsb.html
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The Ukraine is a NATO partner. We are bound by treaty to defend all NATO nations.
This is not true, Senator Mal. A quick google check will prove that.

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Remember, we are bound by treaty to defend Ukraine and the Individual that promised flexibility after 2012 sat on his hands and offered no military aid during the 2014 invasion of Crimea.
This is not true, Senator Mal. There was no treaty that required US intervention. Also, from a Politico article: "The U.S. has provided about $1.5 billion in military support to Kiev between 2014 and this past June, according to an updated analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service."

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Do you think Putin is supportive of Trump selling Tank busting Javelin Missiles to Ukraine?
I do not. I think Putin hates the idea, but Trump got greedy. He tried to have his cake (extorting Ukraine for his personal political benefit) while eating it to (helping out his buddy Putin by withholding military aid from Ukraine). Look at the timeline of events:

1. White House halts aid to Ukraine that had been approved by Congress.

2. White House learns about Whistleblower's complaint.

3. A day or two later, the White House allows the aid to go to Ukraine.

Trump's bribery and extortion scheme became exposed. He had to allow the military aid to go to Ukraine. I wish our president wasn't such a criminal.
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This is not true, Senator Mal. A quick google check will prove that.

Well then you should have Googled it...look under NATO partner countries. https://www.eata.ee/en/nato-2/nato-member-states/

This is not true, Senator Mal. There was no treaty that required US intervention. Also, from a Politico article: "The U.S. has provided about $1.5 billion in military support to Kiev between 2014 and this past June, according to an updated analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service."
There is a reason that Politico grouped spending from 2014 to present...because Obama gave them blankets and MRE's. If you would have listened to your star witnesses they both confirmed that aid to Ukraine has increased under Trump


I do not. I think Putin hates the idea, but Trump got greedy. He tried to have his cake (extorting Ukraine for his personal political benefit) while eating it to (helping out his buddy Putin by withholding military aid from Ukraine). Look at the timeline of events:

1. White House halts aid to Ukraine that had been approved by Congress.

2. White House learns about Whistleblower's complaint.

3. A day or two later, the White House allows the aid to go to Ukraine.

Trump's bribery and extortion scheme became exposed. He had to allow the military aid to go to Ukraine. I wish our president wasn't such a criminal.
Your bribery victim was unaware that he was being bribed.
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So you are still a Trump supporter and think that it would be a good idea if he were the President from 2020 to 2024? That he is the best we have?
If I could choose who I wanted to be president in 2020 it would be a tough choice between someone that I like and Trump.
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Your bribery victim was unaware that he was being bribed.
That is not true, either, Senator Mal. He was very much under pressure from Trump's bribery and extortion scheme. In fact, just after I typed up the comment above, I went to read some other things.

A couple of those things just happened to be a blockbuster timeline showing just how close Trump came to completing his crime! The timeline can be found here at the Washington Post, and here at Talking Points Memo. This is from the CNN journalist who was about to do the interview with the Ukrainian President:

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On Sept. 5, The Post published an editorial revealing that it had been “reliably told” that Trump was trying to force Zelensky to investigate Biden. On Sept. 9, four days before my visit to Kyiv, House Democrats initiated an investigation into the allegations. That same day, the intelligence community inspector general notified the House and Senate intelligence committees of the whistleblower complaint. The next day, Sept. 10, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) sent a letter to acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire demanding that he turn over the complaint. That is also the day Trump announced he had fired John Bolton as national security adviser. And then, on Sept. 11, aid to Ukraine was unfrozen with no conditions.
Trump was caught red-handed. Zelensky called off the interview after Trump's scheme was found out. You claim to have listened to the hearings the other day, Senator Mal. If you had, you would have heard Ambassador Taylor explain the many instances that Ukraine asked him and others "where was the aid?" This is from the TPM article:

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky had received an ultimatum from the Trump administration. He was negotiating to sit for an interview with CNN host Fareed Zakaria. And Zelensky was prepared to do it: The President of Ukraine would go on international television and announce investigations into President Donald Trump’s domestic political opponent.

And then, Zelensky didn’t do it.

Over the course of a few nail-biting days in early September, Trump nearly obtained the “deliverable” he had sought from Ukraine for months. He’d wanted Zelensky to publicly announce investigations into Joe and Hunter Biden and purported Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 U.S. elections — perfect fodder for Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign.

The President had placed a hold on a nearly $400 million aid package to Ukraine, and the Ukrainians were feeling the heat.

The date for the announcement was reportedly set for Sept. 13. But just before Zelensky went public, the security aid was released — and the public learned of a whistleblower’s complaint that would come to rock Washington and endanger Trump’s hold on the Oval Office.
Oh my Lord, what a criminal our president is!
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P.S. Even Russia is a partner country to NATO. That doesn't mean we're obliged by treaty to defend them. Please stick to facts and not half-truths.
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P.S. Even Russia is a partner country to NATO. That doesn't mean we're obliged by treaty to defend them. Please stick to facts and not half-truths.
You make a valid point. Perhaps I overplayed my hand, but I am going to call it a three quarter-truth. There is a significant difference between Russia's partnership with NATO and Ukraine's. Ukraine was actively seeking full member status into NATO. Obama was one of the most notable supporters of Ukraine joining NATO.

For the record, I apposed allowing Ukraine to join NATO, but if I was in favor of allowing Ukraine to join the club, I would be in favor of defending them.
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That is not true, either, Senator Mal. He was very much under pressure from Trump's bribery and extortion scheme. In fact, just after I typed up the comment above, I went to read some other things.

A couple of those things just happened to be a blockbuster timeline showing just how close Trump came to completing his crime! The timeline can be found here at the Washington Post, and here at Talking Points Memo. This is from the CNN journalist who was about to do the interview with the Ukrainian President:



Trump was caught red-handed. Zelensky called off the interview after Trump's scheme was found out. You claim to have listened to the hearings the other day, Senator Mal. If you had, you would have heard Ambassador Taylor explain the many instances that Ukraine asked him and others "where was the aid?" This is from the TPM article:



Oh my Lord, what a criminal our president is!
I fully and absolutely support withholding aid to Ukraine until they clean up corruption and come clean about their meddling in the 2016 election...and furthermore it is a legal requirement passed by congress to do so.
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I fully and absolutely support withholding aid to Ukraine until they clean up corruption and come clean about their meddling in the 2016 election...and furthermore it is a legal requirement passed by congress to do so.
Your and Trumps #1 priority evidently. There are a lot more corrupt countries and issues, the only one he cares about it the one that effect him. The President of the US is actively Trolling on twitter a witness at his impeachment. Add 'witness intimidation" to the list, that what his buddy Stone did also and found guilty to today, another addition to people Trump has ended up get put in jail. The President is a weirdo.
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