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Old 06-19-2018
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Thanks for proving my point that you have to be a one of the largest schools in Illinois to compete with these private schools. The exception is Washington but they're a growing town that's a suburb of a major city, where they have more bodies to recruit from/have move-in. I'm sure in time they'll get their numbers closer to the OPRF/Lock/Sandburg size. At the end of the day you need bodies with talent and if you're a smaller school, it's going to be a statistical oddity that you could compete with an Aurora Christian, Marian Central (either one), PC's , etc...
Washington is not a growing city as far as I can tell. And it is hard to call Peoria a major city, more like a dying city. There are a lot of small towns in central Illinois and people do move into Washington to wrestle. But it is nothing like an Orland Park or Oak park or any of those cities. The population base they have to choose from is much smaller. However, they get a lot of small town and farm boy types and they are generally tougher than city slickers. :-)
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Old 06-20-2018
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Washington is not a growing city as far as I can tell. And it is hard to call Peoria a major city, more like a dying city. There are a lot of small towns in central Illinois and people do move into Washington to wrestle. But it is nothing like an Orland Park or Oak park or any of those cities. The population base they have to choose from is much smaller. However, they get a lot of small town and farm boy types and they are generally tougher than city slickers. :-)
What do you consider central Illinois? From Wheaton, over to Galesburg, then down to Champaign? That sure is a big center!
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IHSA stupidity continues. Unfortunately we will never get a single class system which would make this one of the top two or three state tournaments nationwide. Nor will we ever go back to two classes which actually worked just fine.
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IHSA stupidity continues. Unfortunately we will never get a single class system which would make this one of the top two or three state tournaments nationwide. Nor will we ever go back to two classes which actually worked just fine.
I agree.

However, adding double elimination is an extremely positive step for everyone involved.

There's hope...
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I agree.

However, adding double elimination is an extremely positive step for everyone involved.

There's hope...
It was one of the most complained about things on this site. Probably the most complained about thing that effected the least amount of wrestlers at least. Progress is good, did they leave a rule about the most number of matches you can wrestle in a day?
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Old 06-25-2018
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It was one of the most complained about things on this site. Probably the most complained about thing that effected the least amount of wrestlers
I agree. Now 168 more kids who lost in the first round will get to wrestle a second match at state. It will be interesting to see how many of them go on to win their wrestleback and how many go on to actually make the podium.

At the same meeting, the same IHSA representatives voted to reduce the number of competitors at day 2 of state in some other sports by instituting a cut after day 1.

I don't know why the IHSA voted to increase participation at day 2 of state for one sport while simultaneously voting to decrease participation at day 2 of state for another sport. Anyone know?
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Really not sure of the answer on that one, Petersenkid2, but I'll venture a possible reason.

$$$

I hope I'm just being pessimistic. A true chance to get back into a tournament is a very good thing.
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Old 06-28-2018
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Really not sure of the answer on that one, Petersenkid2, but I'll venture a possible reason.

$$$

I hope I'm just being pessimistic. A true chance to get back into a tournament is a very good thing.

i would think, from a State final perspective, wrestling is the top revenue draw for IHSA even more than BBall, (not looking at regional and sectional attendance)If they can keep more people in the stands on day 2, its a cash cow
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Old 06-28-2018
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I agree. Now 168 more kids who lost in the first round will get to wrestle a second match at state. It will be interesting to see how many of them go on to win their wrestleback and how many go on to actually make the podium.

At the same meeting, the same IHSA representatives voted to reduce the number of competitors at day 2 of state in some other sports by instituting a cut after day 1.

I don't know why the IHSA voted to increase participation at day 2 of state for one sport while simultaneously voting to decrease participation at day 2 of state for another sport. Anyone know?
The golf coaches were in favor of having a cut on day 2. Had a lot to do with getting all the competitors to complete their rounds on the 2nd day of the tournament if weather arrives and they have a smaller window to complete the tournament.

Although I'm sure not having to pay the greens fees for half the competitors had quite a bit to do with it as well.

These 2 tournaments are comparing apples to oranges. In golf you can not compete or finish dead last in regionals and sectionals and win a state title. If your team qualifies then you can compete in the state tournament.

In wrestling you have earned your spot at the state tournament by qualifying 2 weeks in a row. A 2 match minimum is the least the IHSA can do for these kids. Golfers will still get a full 18 holes of competition. Some wrestlers were getting 6 minutes of competition or less.
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Old 06-29-2018
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the sports that have considered cuts, (golf track etc) are ones where the qualifying is based off a number, not results vs another team/opponent. Yes in golf you may shoot better depending on who you were paired with for the round, and then again you may not. At the end of the day if you shoot terrible (or just as good as I do) and you dont advance, its not like you got a "bad draw" like you have in wrestling. So I get that.
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