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Old 02-17-2019
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They still need to reassign the sectionals!

Having Montini, Marmion and Mt Carmel all in the same sectional is just stupid. They are not even close geographically together and three of the perennially best teams should not be together.
Moline, East Moline, Pekin, Normal Community, Normal West, Lincoln-Way West, Bradley-Bourbonnais, Crete-Monee and Minooka would love to know your definition of “not even close geographically together” as it relates to being in a sectional. Oh wait, that was their regional.

Okay, those teams plus Edwardsville, Alton, Collinsville and the rest of the St. Louis area teams plus schools like Lockport, Providence, Yorkville and the other Southwest Suburban schools would like the same definition for sectional.
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Old 02-18-2019
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Moline, East Moline, Pekin, Normal Community, Normal West, Lincoln-Way West, Bradley-Bourbonnais, Crete-Monee and Minooka would love to know your definition of “not even close geographically together” as it relates to being in a sectional. Oh wait, that was their regional.

Okay, those teams plus Edwardsville, Alton, Collinsville and the rest of the St. Louis area teams plus schools like Lockport, Providence, Yorkville and the other Southwest Suburban schools would like the same definition for sectional.
You're conflating two distinct issues here.

There should be eight sectionals. Not four.

Geography could be better addressed in this way. As long as some mind was also paid to properly separating the top talent.

I remember watching college basketball before anyone ever called it March Madness. They had UConn as the #1 seed in the West. I was like, how does THAT happen? UConn in the WEST? Makes no sense.

Until it got explained to me.

In any bracket-based athletic contest, it's important not to allow two top caliber opponents to meet too soon in the bracket because it's unfair to the one that ultimately loses (they won't be placing as high as their actual ranking/talent would allow). That is to say, there are teams they could beat that will end up placing above them. No one wants that. Unless you're one of those idiot schools that enjoys crowing about a 4th, 5th or 6th place trophy over offering thanks to the gods of bad bracketing.

It's the reason why we seed. It makes no sense to seed "sometimes"... and not others.

If seeded properly, the three M's all walk away with a team trophy. The way we have it now, one won't even get the chance to make the trip.

But, hey, it's just those gosh-damned private schools so let's make sure we f them over.

Eight sectionals would help if you were committed to sending the top eight teams, one to each. Same like how, in March, they send UConn to be a #1 seed in the West occasionally.

The Bermuda triangle of Edwardsville - Moline - SW Chicago suburb that that particular sectional gets put through makes no sense whatsoever. Why do THEY have to travel like that every few years when all the other sectionals don't? Ridiculous.

Even if you didn't want to have eight sectionals, you could send #1 and #8 to one of the existing four... #2 and #7 to another, etc., etc.

It would be better than what we have now. It would also shake things up and inject some change into a process that could use a breath of fresh air.
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IL needs to separate public and private for team state.Many other states do that .For individual state let them all go together but for team duals they should be split up
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Best quote of the weekend: Build the wall... between 3A and 2A/1A, Make wrestling great again.

Not necessarily saying I support that notion but it made me giggle and think about it.

One class for individual state.

Two classes - public and private - for team state.

Solves many problems. May create others -- but lesser problems than what we have now.
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NJ does it and I think it works out great let's see who the best 14 wrestlers are in the state.Then do private/public team state with public A/AA/AAA and private could be split into classes as well not sure if you need 2 or 3.Individual you do 8 sections top 4 go with 32 man state bracket
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Best quote of the weekend: Build the wall... between 3A and 2A/1A, Make wrestling great again.

Not necessarily saying I support that notion but it made me giggle and think about it.

One class for individual state.

Two classes - public and private - for team state.

Solves many problems. May create others -- but lesser problems than what we have now.
Hey that's sounds like something I would say.
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They still need to reassign the sectionals!

Having Montini, Marmion and Mt Carmel all in the same sectional is just stupid. They are not even close geographically together and three of the perennially best teams should not be together.
It is so much easier to be one of the "three of the perennially best teams", when you are able to do what it is that you do to "become" one of those teams....

But that is a subject for another thread.
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State Scores by Sectional

1st Bolingbrook 226pts., 24 placers and 6 Champs
2nd Joliet Central 205pts., 26 placers and 2 Champs
3rd Conant 197pts., 23 placers and 4 Champs
4th Barrington 100pts., 11 placers and 2 Champs
170 4th place was from Bolingbrook sectional
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Some local coaches are speaking out... rightfully so

Wrestling: Downers North's Brad Rosen, nine Montini wrestlers headed for state

By KEVIN McGAVIN - editorial@mysuburbanlife.com
Feb. 11, 2019

Controversy erupts after Bolingbrook wrestling sectional

BOLINGBROOK – There are more than five digits of teenagers who attend the two Downers Grove high schools, Hinsdale Central and Lyons Township.
But there is an unmistakable level of outright anger and disgust when it comes to the current state of wrestling.
[Gary Duncan Sr.]In the aftermath of the Class 3A Bolingbrook Sectional over the weekend, Downers Grove North coach Chris McGrath did not mince words.
“We’re playing a different game from the Catholic schools,” McGrath said after 19 of the 20 sectional qualifiers from the four West Suburban members were eliminated from the individual state tournament. “The IHSA needs to address the issue.You have kids coming from other states. It’s not fair. There has to be a way of funneling the same five [Catholic] schools through the same sectional.”
Thirty-three of the 56 qualifiers to the individual state tournament via the Bolingbrook sectional last weekend hailed from either Montini, Marmion, Mount Carmel, Marist or St. Rita.
“He is going to win a 125 high school matches – and he is not going to wrestle in the state tournament,” Downers Grove South coach Sean Lovelace said of one his wrestlers who failed to advance to state. “It was a tough pill to swallow. Our sectional is the toughest. I don’t blame the Catholic schools.”

[Gary Duncan Sr.]Downers Grove North junior Brad Rosen, a 126-pound junior, was the lone athlete among the four public high schools to make the state cut.
Rosen finished third in the sectional.
“Brad Rosen is a warrior,” McGrath said. “There is no other way to describe it. He won four matches – and the combined score was 64-10.”
Montini, the defending Class 3A state champion, paced all programs with the most state qualifiers. Dylan Ragusin and Dylan Burnoski won back-to-back sectional titles for Montini at 126 and 132 pounds.
Duplicating the five individual sectional champions that fellow Catholic League rival Marmion produced, Montini had Jake Stiles begin defense of his state championship with a 43rd consecutive win to start the season.
“He ran into a buzzsaw,” Batavia coach Scott Bayer said after 152-pounder Justin Major fell in the semifinals to Stiles. “[Stiles] is undefeated and nationally ranked.”




[Gary Duncan Sr.]Stiles, for his part, considers Montini winning a team state championship more memorable than winning an individual state title.
“I definitely liked that better," Stiles said.
Peter Christiansen also captured a state championship for the Broncos last year.
The 195-pounder is in fine shape after terminating his latest postseason championship in a mere 12 seconds.
Trevor Swier later stood at the top of the podium as the 182-pound victor after an equally decisive 18-8 sectional win at the weight class before Swier.
Montini also had runners-up at the sectional in Nick Gonzalez (106 pounds), Nain Vazquez (120) and Fidel Mayora (145).
The Broncos qualified nine athletes to the three-day state tournament in Champaign among the 14 weight classes.
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What controversy???

I’m confused
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