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Gun Control

Now. Not soon. Now.
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Now. Not soon. Now.
Not gun control, people control.
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Old 08-05-2019
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Ban video games?
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and the low rated, Fake news, CNN is out there photo shopping videos. The president said his heart is with the people of Toledo! They posted other clips from his rallies of other things he said and I know they are all fake!
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A few points. First of all, regardless of WTF Trump said, a mature, rational, SANE person doesn't take a semi-automatic rifle...and that's what it was, NOT an "assault rifle", and shoot innocent people. Period. Secondly, given the shooter's mental health history he should not have been able to purchase or own a firearm; here in Illinois he would have been immediately flagged. Go back a few years to the Texas church shooter; had the Texas State Police had his Bad Conduct discharge from the Air Force for felony spousal abuse HE would not have been able to own a firearm legally. Here in Illinois a few years ago the Red Flag bill passed here in Illinois...the first edition was terrible but the ISRA (Illinois State Rifle Association) worked with a bi-partisan committee and passed a common sense Red Flag Law. The only flaw in the system comes when things aren't reported, because the Illinois State Police files for both FOID and CCL are updated DAILY. I would also point out that a few years ago a Sun Times reporter was trying to do an expose on how easy it was to purchase a firearm, and went to Maxons, a gun shop and indoor range I go to often, and tried to purchase a firearm. He failed the background check when an assault charge showed up and was denied the purchase. We have laws that work when the proper information is shared and the laws are enforced.
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Enough talking about states! We need a national database. That means if you want to buy a firearm youíre gonna put your Social Security down and be known nationwide! A $15 Illinois fishing license requires it. When I was reluctant to give it to a 16-year-old kid at a sporting good store I was informed it is to chase down dead beat dads . I said now thatís an idea! And gladly give it out every year.

Man you can call that gun whatever you want if the cops took him out in one minute and he got something like 30 - 40 rounds off you call it a squirt gun as far as Iím concerned.

You donít have to tell me about Texas I lived there and taught Texas history I know the law. Real far right Texans donít even think they should have anything to do with the United States of America.

Iím surprised you didnít drop the obvious go to phrase. There are killings in Chicago and Illinois has the strict gun laws. I got one word for you, Indiana!

Donít worry though, you guys can continue to buy and sell guns online cross state borders and all that. Because for the Republican Party, money trumps lives!

Do you know the definition of insanity? I got news for you, according to the American psychological Association, Osama bin Laden was not mentally ill. Political and racial extremist are not mentally ill. However, they can be led to follow. And the President of the United States has, arguably, the biggest megaphone in the world. Donít think of this as something about you and I Think about billions of people. I will ask you this, do you think trumps words at rallies have contributed in someway to the rise in white supremacists?
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Ban video games?
He did not say ban video games and you know it. I have read stories about how the military uses violent video games to desensitize the troops so that they are more comfortable killing people.

I think it is important to discuss what societal changes have caused the increase in mass shootings We did not have video games with rape and murder in them when we were kids...but they do now.

Mass shootings are in bold because the last time I checked violent crime went down at the same time that gun ownership went up.
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He did not say ban video games and you know it. I have read stories about how the military uses violent video games to desensitize the troops so that they are more comfortable killing people.

I think it is important to discuss what societal changes have caused the increase in mass shootings We did not have video games with rape and murder in them when we were kids...but they do now.

Mass shootings are in bold because the last time I checked violent crime went down at the same time that gun ownership went up.
I did not say he said ban video games, he named them as a contributing issue. Video games are all over the world & more popular in Asia than here, this issue is mainly unique to the US in frequency. (The most violent video game of all - Mortal Combat - developed at our U of I notably.) The Statisticians say the one unique variable about the US and this issue is the sheer number of guns (plus type I assume) compared to other countries. The sensible thing to do is look at countries that have hunting etc and less shooting. But this is the US, we do our own thing. I do not see this being resolved, mass shootings will likely increase, it will continue as a price of freedom. You aren't going to "fix or control" the people, that is ridiculous. As they say in the jungle, eat what the monkeys eat. We know what works elsewhere - its not going to happen here, might as well move on to climate change - that will be easier.

The last Illinois mass shooting case was more disturbing, an ex-con applied for a concealed carry license for his guns. So the police knew an ex-con prohibited from owning guns had them. They do not go get them, that is what they said. Part of owning a gun should be going in large groups with guns with the police to go get these guns from those that the police say are too dangerous to go get. Or just get them by surprise. I never heard the reason, but it is likely a common issue.

I think it is a bad idea to say if you own guns or not, just like it is a bad idea to post vacation photos while on vacation.
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Colion Noir with an excellent take on gun deaths:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8c2wKISv0o

Oh and my Social Security number goes on both the FOID and CCL license applications.

Here is the ATF Form 4473, REQUIRED for firearm purchases. Even if I purchase a firearm online, I have to fill out the paperwork and have it delivered to an FFL dealer.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-for...cord-revisions


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I did not say he said ban video games, he named them as a contributing issue. Video games are all over the world & more popular in Asia than here, this issue is mainly unique to the US in frequency. (The most violent video game of all - Mortal Combat - developed at our U of I notably.) The Statisticians say the one unique variable about the US and this issue is the sheer number of guns (plus type I assume) compared to other countries. The sensible thing to do is look at countries that have hunting etc and less shooting. But this is the US, we do our own thing. I do not see this being resolved, mass shootings will likely increase, it will continue as a price of freedom. You aren't going to "fix or control" the people, that is ridiculous. As they say in the jungle, eat what the monkeys eat. We know what works elsewhere - its not going to happen here, might as well move on to climate change - that will be easier.

The last Illinois mass shooting case was more disturbing, an ex-con applied for a concealed carry license for his guns. So the police knew an ex-con prohibited from owning guns had them. They do not go get them, that is what they said. Part of owning a gun should be going in large groups with guns with the police to go get these guns from those that the police say are too dangerous to go get. Or just get them by surprise. I never heard the reason, but it is likely a common issue.

I think it is a bad idea to say if you own guns or not, just like it is a bad idea to post vacation photos while on vacation.

The stats that you have been quoting are bogus and misleading. There have not been 249 mass shootings this year. It is not even close to that, its probably under 10. They changed the definition of mass shootings to get 249. Mass shootings are 4 dead or more, not counting the shooter. They played all kinds of tricks with the numbers. They counted shooting where nobody died...they included the shooter in the death toll...they added gang violence. Even politiFact doesn't wholeheartedly support that claim.


Nobody is proud of our death toll, but we are not even close to having the most gun violence in any category...maybe with the exception of Gun suicide.

This is from 2015 but it still has some relevance

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-th...***-shootings/


https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/m...ther-countries


https://nypost.com/2018/08/30/americ...***-shootings/
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