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Here are your words: "The US will never give up guns, so there really is not much a solution to be had"

This statement is a clear insinuation that getting rid of guns would or could lead to a solution. I disagree with that statement. I believe that getting rid of guns would cause more crime.

It is becoming clear that you have no idea what other countries are doing to limit gun crime.

I will concede that more guns will lead to more accidental shootings, but that is just a mathematical conclusion...more trees leads to more accidental deaths caused by falling branches. There are also other statistics about guns that would be similar to that one, but those statistics are trivial compared the affect of the 2nd amendment on criminal activity and government over reach.

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You don't need to incorrectly read "insinuations" into my posts. I am pro-gun, but the US does not use common sense. That statement should have read more like "the Republicans will never make known felons like the shooter in Aurora IL give up their guns, ie - those American will not give their guns (willingly, and nobody want to go get them.)" I can deal with living in a violent country, I know people who have been shot, I know plenty who have been robbed in Chicago, I know people who had their guns stolen, part of the deal, it is people who start posting stupid stuff like its mental illness to blame that I post against - that is why I commented about the parents - mentally ill young men aren't going to stop themselves. The slippery slope thing is a bad argument. Other countries have just as many mentally ill & hunters - it is the system that makes the difference. All records of gun ownership are kept on paper in boxes and other ridiculous rules. I am just against denial and stupidity. The one good thing about the NRA is that they know more about who has guns than anybody, and it is their lists that will be used to clean them out from criminals.

Here is an article from scientific american that says otherwise to your comment. Why don't you site a dude in garage who just finished huffing paint like you usually do, and include 10 pages of rants like usual.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...vidence-shows/

supports what I said.
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-po...-policies.html

Countries that get better results. (The US is not even in the top 10 for hunting, there are guns in these countries.)
We have 30 shootings per Milion, next closest OF OTHER RICH COUNTRIES, is switzerland with 8.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...land-uk-canada
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You don't need to incorrectly read "insinuations" into my posts. I am pro-gun, but the US does not use common sense. That statement should have read more like "the Republicans will never make known felons like the shooter in Aurora IL give up their guns, ie - those American will not give their guns (willingly, and nobody want to go get them.)" I can deal with living in a violent country, I know people who have been shot, I know plenty who have been robbed in Chicago, I know people who had their guns stolen, part of the deal, it is people who start posting stupid stuff like its mental illness to blame that I post against - that is why I commented about the parents - mentally ill young men aren't going to stop themselves. The slippery slope thing is a bad argument. Other countries have just as many mentally ill & hunters - it is the system that makes the difference. All records of gun ownership are kept on paper in boxes and other ridiculous rules. I am just against denial and stupidity. The one good thing about the NRA is that they know more about who has guns than anybody, and it is their lists that will be used to clean them out from criminals.

Here is an article from scientific american that says otherwise to your comment. Why don't you site a dude in garage who just finished huffing paint like you usually do, and include 10 pages of rants like usual.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...vidence-shows/

supports what I said.
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-po...-policies.html

Countries that get better results. (The US is not even in the top 10 for hunting, there are guns in these countries.)
We have 30 shootings per Milion, next closest OF OTHER RICH COUNTRIES, is switzerland with 8.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...land-uk-canada
Aurora is not exactly a Republican stronghold. They voted for the Democrat in the last 3 presidential elections...It sounds like you are saying that you want the Republicans to fix the problems caused by decades of socialism.

I am not sure how you can say that a human that murders another human doesn't have something wrong in their head. If you don't want to call it mental illness that's fine, but the problem with violent behavior is the decisions made in the head of the perpetrator. If you want to change those bad decisions made by criminals the only way is to implant information in their head that will change their actions...like you will die if you do that...or you will go to hell if you do that...you will spend the rest of your life in prison if you do that...etc There are any number of deterrents that have been proven to work in the past. I don't think shrinks or medication will solve their mental illness, in many cases those remedies may be the cause.

There is a reason that I look for complete statistics instead of studies. Statistics show what has actually happened.

You posted an opinion piece that was filled with studies. One study asked 5,000 people a question. Another study surveyed 14,000 people. Another study was on one town. A study usually reflects the authors belief system.

I usually like to look at the actual numbers and come to my own conclusions. When we look at the real and complete statistics, it tells a different story. We have more guns and less crime. That doesn't mean that there is no room for improvement. We have an unacceptable level of violence, but that VOX stat is intentionally deceptive. They focus on only gun homicide, not all homicides are crimes, however, all killings of humans are included in the definition of homicide. That includes self defense, police shootings, accidental shootings, but the big one that it includes is suicide. All those things are considered to be homicide. What that study does not include is, all homicides. If you look at all homicides you will get a different picture, and if you look at the various different types of homicide separately you will get the complete picture.
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Aurora is not exactly a Republican stronghold.
Gun laws are not by neighborhood. Your arguments are terrible.
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Gun laws are not by neighborhood. Your arguments are terrible.
You were blaming Republicans for not taking his guns. The law states that he should not have had a gun. You would have to find a Republican in Aurora before you could send him in to take the guns.

I think we can agree that Republicans and Democrats both agree that he should not have a gun. The problem in this situation is an enforcement issue. It could have been incompetence or the system is overwhelmed with enforcement issues. If the laws that are on the books now would have been enforced, he may have been disarmed, but the problem is that he could have just bought an illegal gun. I agree, take his guns, but that is not going to stop a motivated killer. Who knows what would have stopped him...the answer is in his head.
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You were blaming Republicans for not taking his guns. The law states that he should not have had a gun. You would have to find a Republican in Aurora before you could send him in to take the guns.

I think we can agree that Republicans and Democrats both agree that he should not have a gun. The problem in this situation is an enforcement issue. It could have been incompetence or the system is overwhelmed with enforcement issues. If the laws that are on the books now would have been enforced, he may have been disarmed, but the problem is that he could have just bought an illegal gun. I agree, take his guns, but that is not going to stop a motivated killer. Who knows what would have stopped him...the answer is in his head.
The shooter was from Kane County, In 2008, Illinois-bred Barack Obama became the first Democrat to carry Kane County since Franklin Pierce in 1852. So save us the bs.

And not the City of Aurora's job. And you are wrong, convenience counts for a lot. The laws are so porous that he was able to legally buy a gun as a felon with 6 arrests.
And then missed again when he applied for a conceal carry permit as a felon.
Mathematically, and I know you hate facts and science, the only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns.

I am pro gun and pro science and pro fact, occasionally it is wrong, but most of the time it visibly correct. The NRA's dumb slippery slope argument is the problem, won't approve common sense because they feel any improvement in laws is bad for the manufacturers they represent. Yes, 85% of their money comes from gun makers, not your crazy uncle.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/w...rnational.html

In the jungle they say eat what the monkeys eat, just do what works in other countries that have lots of guns but less shootings. It should be slightly harder to get a gun than getting it free with car purchase.
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The shooter was from Kane County, In 2008, Illinois-bred Barack Obama became the first Democrat to carry Kane County since Franklin Pierce in 1852. You really shouldn't plagiarize other peoples work... Kane county has voted for the Democrat candidate in the last 3 presidential elections.

And not the City of Aurora's job.Local law enforcement is not The City of Aurora's job? And you are wrong, convenience counts for a lot. The laws are so porous that he was able to legally buy a gun as a felon with 6 arrests.
And then missed again when he applied for a conceal carry permit as a felon.
Mathematically, and I know you hate facts and science, the only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns.

I am pro gun and pro science and pro fact, occasionally it is wrong, but most of the time it visibly correct. The NRA's dumb slippery slope argument is the problem, won't approve common sense because they feel any improvement in laws is bad for the manufacturers they represent. Yes, 85% of their money comes from gun makers, not your crazy uncle.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/w...rnational.html

In the jungle they say eat what the monkeys eat, just do what works in other countries that have lots of guns but less shootings. It should be slightly harder to get a gun than getting it free with car purchase.
I thought Obama was from Kenya.

There is not a state in this entire country that allows a felon to legally buy a gun. That is one of the most idiotic statements you have ever come up with. He was able to illegally buy a gun due to lack of enforcement.

Another problem with all these opinion pieces littered with studies that you post is that the definition of phrases like "mass shooting" can be different in every study. I showed you some actual numbers of mass shootings globally, and they don't match up to your studies, besides mass shooting are like 1 or 2% of all shootings...its like being concerned with a sliver on your right hand when your left hand has been severed from your arm.

The only way that a gun could be the cause of a shooting is if we perfected artificial intelligence...but even that would be a human error.

Why would I care where the NRA gets its money as long as it is not getting it from the taxpayers...and if they do receive tax dollars I disapprove.
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I thought Obama was from Kenya.
That is a racist statement and likely should get you banned from this site. Good bye, we will not miss you.

Is it racist? Yes it is.
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...irthers-racist

You have first amendment rights & can think what you want, but they don't have to allow you on this site, it is not a public entity. If not, please provide the proof that Trump bragged about for years while race baiting, and his main entry into politics. President Obama shared his birth certificate when did not have to regardless. On, the other hand Trump has claimed twice his father was born in Germany and wasn't, what a weirdo.
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That is a racist statement and likely should get you banned from this site. Good bye, we will not miss you.

Is it racist? Yes it is.
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...irthers-racist

You have first amendment rights & can think what you want, but they don't have to allow you on this site, it is not a public entity. If not, please provide the proof that Trump bragged about for years while race baiting, and his main entry into politics. President Obama shared his birth certificate when did not have to regardless. On, the other hand Trump has claimed twice his father was born in Germany and wasn't, what a weirdo.
But Barack's brother said he was born in Kenya. Don't be a dope, it doesn't matter where he was born as long as one of his parents was an American citizen at the time of his birth. I am not sure why he would not have to show his birth certificate when it was a requirement for the job that he was applying for.

Trump bragged about being the only person that could get Obama to show his birth certificate...besides, Hillary was the original birther...is she a racist too?

Maybe he meant to say his father was conceived in Germany...who cares what he says?..........besides people that don't want to talk about his policies.
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But Barack's brother said he was born in Kenya. Don't be a dope, it doesn't matter where he was born as long as one of his parents was an American citizen at the time of his birth. I am not sure why he would not have to show his birth certificate when it was a requirement for the job that he was applying for.

Trump bragged about being the only person that could get Obama to show his birth certificate...besides, Hillary was the original birther...is she a racist too?

Maybe he meant to say his father was conceived in Germany...who cares what he says?..........besides people that don't want to talk about his policies.
Racist yammering, please go huff some more paint. I am not sure how you are still on this site.
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