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Old 11-19-2019
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How can we change the wiring in the brain? We can use fear, or we could use faith...I would propose both. I am sure that here may be many other options. I think faith would be the long term solution. Fear is the immediate solution.
Wow, that is really dumb. Take a couple hundred years to do that or just do what other countries that still have hunting and guns do. You can give everybody a gun and the give the guns a gun of their own and in addition to all the additional accidental deaths you are going to have people drop ten people in ten seconds before you pull your gun. Most killers don't do all the thinking you two assume. Just get used to it. Gun violence is here to stay, thanks to the fantasy that you can fix peoples brains to fix the problem. First, fix all mental illness, and being that most people who murder are not mentally ill but just mad - then keep humans from getting mad. - Nice plan.
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Wow, that is really dumb. Take a couple hundred years to do that or just do what other countries that still have hunting and guns do. You can give everybody a gun and the give the guns a gun of their own and in addition to all the additional accidental deaths you are going to have people drop ten people in ten seconds before you pull your gun. Most killers don't do all the thinking you two assume. Just get used to it. Gun violence is here to stay, thanks to the fantasy that you can fix peoples brains to fix the problem. First, fix all mental illness, and being that most people who murder are not mentally ill but just mad - then keep humans from getting mad. - Nice plan.
Here is just one example of using fear to reduce crime. In the stats below New York City was using stop and frisk. Every single crime statistic went down and the population started to rise. The fear was just fear of getting caught. I don't think stop and frisk alone is all we need, this is just one example of something that works. Stop and frisk could be replaced with Cameras on every corner...tell me why that wouldn't work.

Another thing that works is capital punishment...a dead man will not kill again...and there is a certain percentage of potential killers that do not want to die. There are also mad people that don't kill because they have a healthy fear of God. There is no one solution, many different killers kill for many different reasons. Stopping them requires fear, faith or force.

If you are mad enough to kill someone you are at least temporarily insane. Sane people do not commit murder. It is by definition, crazy to kill an innocent person intentionally.

You have never once elaborated on what they do in other countries that still hunt.


Year.........Population.......Index...Violent crime...Property....Murder....Rape

1994.........18,169,000.......921,278....175,433....745,845...2,016.......4,700
1995.........18,136,000.......827,025....152,683....674,342....1,550......4,290
1996.........18,185,000.......751,456....132,206....619,250....1,353......4,174
1997.........18,137,000.......709,328....124,890....584,438....1,093......4,075
1998.........18,175,000.......652,202....115,915....536,287.......924......3,843
1999.........18,196,601.......596,743....107,147....489,596.......903......3,563
2000.........18,976,457.......588,189....124,890....483,078.......952......3,530
2001.........19,084,350.......556,025......98,022....458,003.......960.....3,546

year...........Robbery.........assault.......Burglary...Larsceny Theft..Auto Theft
1994............86,617.........82,100.......164,650.......452,322.........128,87 3
1995............72,492.........74,351.......146,562.......425,184.........102,59 6
1996............61,822.........64,857.......129,828.......399,522..........89,90 0
1997............56,094.........63,628.......118,306.......386,435..........79,69 7
1998............49,125.........62,023.......104,821.......363,295..........68,17 1
1999............43,821.........58,860.........93,217.......338,118..........58,2 61
2000............40,539.........60,090.........87,946.......340,901..........54,2 31
2001............36,555.........56,961.........80,400.......329,316..........48,2 87

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
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Old 11-20-2019
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Here is just one example of using fear to reduce crime. In the stats below New York City was using stop and frisk. Every single crime statistic went down and the population started to rise. The fear was just fear of getting caught. I don't think stop and frisk alone is all we need, this is just one example of something that works. Stop and frisk could be replaced with Cameras on every corner...tell me why that wouldn't work.

Another thing that works is capital punishment...a dead man will not kill again...and there is a certain percentage of potential killers that do not want to die. There are also mad people that don't kill because they have a healthy fear of God. There is no one solution, many different killers kill for many different reasons. Stopping them requires fear, faith or force.

If you are mad enough to kill someone you are at least temporarily insane. Sane people do not commit murder. It is by definition, crazy to kill an innocent person intentionally.

You have never once elaborated on what they do in other countries that still hunt.


Year.........Population.......Index...Violent crime...Property....Murder....Rape

1994.........18,169,000.......921,278....175,433....745,845...2,016.......4,700
1995.........18,136,000.......827,025....152,683....674,342....1,550......4,290
1996.........18,185,000.......751,456....132,206....619,250....1,353......4,174
1997.........18,137,000.......709,328....124,890....584,438....1,093......4,075
1998.........18,175,000.......652,202....115,915....536,287.......924......3,843
1999.........18,196,601.......596,743....107,147....489,596.......903......3,563
2000.........18,976,457.......588,189....124,890....483,078.......952......3,530
2001.........19,084,350.......556,025......98,022....458,003.......960.....3,546

year...........Robbery.........assault.......Burglary...Larsceny Theft..Auto Theft
1994............86,617.........82,100.......164,650.......452,322.........128,87 3
1995............72,492.........74,351.......146,562.......425,184.........102,59 6
1996............61,822.........64,857.......129,828.......399,522..........89,90 0
1997............56,094.........63,628.......118,306.......386,435..........79,69 7
1998............49,125.........62,023.......104,821.......363,295..........68,17 1
1999............43,821.........58,860.........93,217.......338,118..........58,2 61
2000............40,539.........60,090.........87,946.......340,901..........54,2 31
2001............36,555.........56,961.........80,400.......329,316..........48,2 87

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
Dumb argument, now made dumber. Don't worry, nothing will be done. Stop and Frisk is more gun control than fear. So now you want stronger gun laws like in NY which are more severe than Chicago. Mass shooter often kill themselves are going for death by cop. If they were thinking things through, they probably wouldn't be shooting people There have been more than 1 mass shooting per day this year and the trend is going up. The US continues to combat it with more guns per your suggestion - thus far doing the opposite.

Hunting is legal in more countries than it isn't. The US is not even in the top 5 as a percentage of population. We just like to use our guns to shoot people- also, that is just the way we are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-sh...far-this-year/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0125094257.htm
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Dumb argument, now made dumber. Don't worry, nothing will be done. Stop and Frisk is more gun control than fear. So now you want stronger gun laws like in NY which are more severe than Chicago. Mass shooter often kill themselves are going for death by cop. If they were thinking things through, they probably wouldn't be shooting people There have been more than 1 mass shooting per day this year and the trend is going up. The US continues to combat it with more guns per your suggestion - thus far doing the opposite.

Hunting is legal in more countries than it isn't. The US is not even in the top 5 as a percentage of population. We just like to use our guns to shoot people- also, that is just the way we are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-sh...far-this-year/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0125094257.htm
If you want to call stop and frisk gun control, I will concede the point. I am in favor of taking guns from criminals and I can't understand why you are not in favor of disarming criminals. I showed you a policy that clearly worked and worked well...you seem to be content with all the killing. I guess I don't understand what you are arguing for. Your arguments are nonsensical and I can't make any sense out of what you are saying.
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If you want to call stop and frisk gun control, I will concede the point. I am in favor of taking guns from criminals and I can't understand why you are not in favor of disarming criminals. I showed you a policy that clearly worked and worked well...you seem to be content with all the killing. I guess I don't understand what you are arguing for. Your arguments are nonsensical and I can't make any sense out of what you are saying.
Doesn't work well compared to normal countries, and proven to be illegal here in the US. It has nothing to do with shootings and mass shootings anywhere else and would not prevent a mass shooting.

It is a very minor part of any solution, not a solution. Cops don't even go confiscate guns from the people they know should not have them. Like the Aurora, IL shooter his year - there are just too many to go get. Everyone with guns should go get them, like the Wild West. Gun advocates say more guns, lean into it I guess, even though will likely make things worse.
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Good guy uses gun against bad guy. Yes, this is what guns are for. Don't shoot dogs. This is why I sleep with a pillow under my gun.

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Good guy uses gun against bad guy. Yes, this is what guns are for. Don't shoot dogs. This is why I sleep with a pillow under my gun.

https://wgntv.com/2019/11/25/police-...n-crown-point/
The "Good Guy" found a bullet in his head and his Dog. As usual I am not seeing the point you are trying to make.

The joke at the end of the post was good.
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Old 11-27-2019
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Good guy uses gun against bad guy. Yes, this is what guns are for. Don't shoot dogs. This is why I sleep with a pillow under my gun.

https://wgntv.com/2019/11/25/police-...n-crown-point/
"I sleep with a pillow under my gun." Very nice! I might use that some day. With proper attribution, of course.

On another note, this happened to me today:

I'm using the paper shredder. I know to turn off the machine when I'm removing the bin. The device has stopped shredding, but it is still on. This time, though, I didn't. Listening to music blasting and daydreaming, I forgot. I even pulled on those little paper bits that are in the teeth of the grinder.

Sometimes, you just forget.
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The "Good Guy" found a bullet in his head and his Dog. As usual I am not seeing the point you are trying to make.

The joke at the end of the post was good.
It was a sarcastic. People like posting the "good guy with a gun" posts, a shame the majority are not. This stuff happens all of the time.

I know a person on the south side, they have a five acre yard. The person behind them have a five acre yard. Their dog stepped a couple of steps pasts his yard into the guys behind him and the guy shot it from his house with telescopic scope. Only got "destruction of property or something". I don't care if guns are legal or not, but way too many stories like this.
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