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If this is what impeachment looks like we should do this to all Republican President

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz52gS2KkfY

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Glenn Beck nails it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEt8iIuAKsU
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Democrats do not want witnesses...they want to be able to claim that they were denied witnesses. Impeachment has been over for a long time...probably since before it started. If witnesses are called it will interfere with the Democrat primary...The Bidens will be called...this is probably the main reason. Biden has a lot of friends in the Senate, in both parties. Biden would get destroyed under questioning and the Senate would never do that to him. The other reason Democrats do not want witnesses is, they do not want Trump to call his witnesses.
Now here and may be something I agree with. Hunter Biden has a very checkered past. The appointment to the board of a major gas company in a foreign country when your father is vice president just reeks of impropriety. I just read today that a woman in Arkansas Is suing him for child support and he has not been forthright with documents and such. Just like the president.😉. I actually went to college and have seen the Grateful Dead with his ex-wife Kathy and she’s a very nice girl. The substance abuse can happen to anyone. Nevertheless, calling him as a witness would be extremely embarrassing. The only reason I say you’re wrong is it appears that the Senate has soul control over whether to call witnesses. I think they realize it would embarrass the hell out of both sides. But since this is a trial for impeachment they should gather as many witnesses documents and fax as possible. I don’t know how anyone would agree that it is best not to call witnesses in a trial.
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Our "Crime of the Day" is fittingly on the subject of impeachment. What the impeached president did was to "convert" to his own use funds that belonged to the United States of America. He converted the money to his own use by placing an indefinite hold on them and then using them for an illegal shakedown of the Ukrainian government.

That's a very serious violation of the law.


No wonder Trump doesn't want witnesses or documents at the sham trial. He's a crook.
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Our "Crime of the Day" is fittingly on the subject of impeachment. What the impeached president did was to "convert" to his own use funds that belonged to the United States of America. He converted the money to his own use by placing an indefinite hold on them and then using them for an illegal shakedown of the Ukrainian government.

That's a very serious violation of the law.


No wonder Trump doesn't want witnesses or documents at the sham trial. He's a crook.
So Trump is recorded by Lev saying "take her out" to people not in the government, the worst part is how sloppy the Trump team is...they let him get recorded, they let him even have dinner with these nobody's, making crazy plans! Lots of politicians are crooks but not this sloppy. The Russians could easily have stuff on Trump - he is naive, sloppy, and a weirdo.
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Our "Crime of the Day" is fittingly on the subject of impeachment. What the impeached president did was to "convert" to his own use funds that belonged to the United States of America. He converted the money to his own use by placing an indefinite hold on them and then using them for an illegal shakedown of the Ukrainian government.

That's a very serious violation of the law.


No wonder Trump doesn't want witnesses or documents at the sham trial. He's a crook.
Your right, we need to get that money back. What did he do with it?...where is he hiding it?...what's that?...what do you mean by "he gave it to Ukraine"?...where was it supposed to go?...so you are saying that he gave Ukraine's money to Ukraine?...what did Ukraine do for the money?...are you trying to tell me that he gave Ukraine's money to Ukraine and they did not even have to do anything for it?...huh
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Now here and may be something I agree with. Hunter Biden has a very checkered past. The appointment to the board of a major gas company in a foreign country when your father is vice president just reeks of impropriety. I just read today that a woman in Arkansas Is suing him for child support and he has not been forthright with documents and such. Just like the president.😉. I actually went to college and have seen the Grateful Dead with his ex-wife Kathy and she’s a very nice girl. The substance abuse can happen to anyone. Nevertheless, calling him as a witness would be extremely embarrassing. The only reason I say you’re wrong is it appears that the Senate has soul control over whether to call witnesses. I think they realize it would embarrass the hell out of both sides. But since this is a trial for impeachment they should gather as many witnesses documents and fax as possible. I don’t know how anyone would agree that it is best not to call witnesses in a trial.

You have pointed out a big part of the problem. I learned about the child support case in Arkansas in real time as it happened 2 or 3 months ago. Right wingers have been screaming it from the roof tops. The other side of that coin is that there have been several news stories that I heard about here on Matman first. Right and left media outlets don't report bad news for their side until they have to.

I want to see witnesses, but it ain't gonna happen. I personally believe the Democrats have more to lose, but they would get some shots in on the President.
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So Trump is recorded by Lev saying "take her out" to people not in the government, the worst part is how sloppy the Trump team is...they let him get recorded, they let him even have dinner with these nobody's, making crazy plans! Lots of politicians are crooks but not this sloppy. The Russians could easily have stuff on Trump - he is naive, sloppy, and a weirdo.
Here is the the full recording. If it was recorded by Lev, Lev was not a friend of Trump. It is obvious that it was a secret recording. It is interesting to get a glimpse of a day in his life when he is not in public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P28atO6i--8
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You have pointed out a big part of the problem. I learned about the child support case in Arkansas in real time as it happened 2 or 3 months ago. Right wingers have been screaming it from the roof tops. The other side of that coin is that there have been several news stories that I heard about here on Matman first. Right and left media outlets don't report bad news for their side until they have to.

I want to see witnesses, but it ain't gonna happen. I personally believe the Democrats have more to lose, but they would get some shots in on the President.
Who has more to lose? Hey, Nolan wants family business dragged through the mud. But if witnesses would testify directly about Trump and they provided documents it could either cause a conviction or a bunch of people to lose faith in the Senate Republicans.
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Who has more to lose? Hey, Nolan wants family business dragged through the mud. But if witnesses would testify directly about Trump and they provided documents it could either cause a conviction or a bunch of people to lose faith in the Senate Republicans.
It all depends on if you believe the Bidens are corrupt. If they are, then there is no case against Trump because it is in the public interest to investigate corruption. Even if all of the allegations against Trump are 100% true, it is not enough to sway Republican voters. Trump will not be removed in any possible scenario. If witnesses are called everybody walks away from that fight bloody, but the Bidens are just a small part of the Ukraine scandal. Billions of dollars are missing in Ukraine...Hunter was working for the Oligarch that had it...Joe fired the guy that was investigating it...for some reason our ambassador did not want Hunters boss to be investigated...some of that money went to Democrat donor George Soros...The DNC was targeting Paul Manafort since before he worked for Trump pertaining to his activities in Ukraine...not sure why but it sounds fishy because Manafort was working with Democrats in Ukraine.

If/when Trump is acquitted the Democrat voters will be looking for someone to blame. The impeachment charges are so weak to begin with, I don't see how this ends well for Nancy...I think she just stepped in a pile of Schiff.

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