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Shute Shute is offline
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I will say I saw a lot of kids walking around lighter this weekend as they were in their prep for Tulsa, Iowa and Jon Davis.
Yup...That's it! Some of these 6 and 7 year old are just cutting 10lbs for Tulsa. It makes perfect sense. Cutting 20 percent of your body weight is incredibly easy at that age.
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Yup...That's it! Some of these 6 and 7 year old are just cutting 10lbs for Tulsa. It makes perfect sense. Cutting 20 percent of your body weight is incredibly easy at that age.
A. No kids around here - and I'm using 'kids' as 11 and younger - are dropping that kind of weight, so feel free to turn the alarm down a notch.

B. It is NOT easy for these kids to shed weight in most cases, which is why, a week out, kids who have to spend a little bit of time working on it, are close to their weigh-in weight 3 - 4 days before the weigh in (Tulsa weighs in tomorrow).

If you're worried about 6 / 7 year old weights, might I suggest lightening up a tad bit.
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BOOM!

So it wasn't Ambrose with the candlestick in the parlor??

Isn't the Internet great....you can talk trash and get away with it. Way to step up coach. I tip my hat to you and your club.

So it looks like 1 of the 2 disputed wrestlers discussed here have been resolved so that leaves 1 in question out of 1300....lets suspend him for 2 years, disband his club, abolish satellite weigh ins...that's the answer!

Better yet ban him from Bantam STATE!!!
I will say this and leave it alone. If I was a coach that would cheat on weight, wouldn't it have made sense for me to cheat at midwest classic which in its past has been an incredibly tough tournament. I ran the satellite for that one as well. My wrestler came back off of the holiday break nice and fattened up so he went up a weight class.. Beginning in January our wrestlers go thru 2 weeks of impossible practices for the build up to the second half of the competitive season.After a solid week of practice his body readjusted back to his its training weight. He weighed 93.8 and we were told to drop the decibel point in the weigh in instructions from tournament director. I did not like the the weight spread either, but do realize how much time, money, and effort goes into running a club as well those that are willing to run a tournament. No one in my opinion goes out to purposely give an advantage or disadvantage to a anyone. I'm sure they attempted to make the brackets competitive and that is all.
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First off Elias, Bolingbrook and Ambrose great event.

Now the reality. Teams and coaches cheat. Usually the same ones too. A lot of our SOT-C wrestlers looked like they were in the wrong bracket. Half of our 12 wrestiers we had participating won the event. FYI The 1st place team belt was awesome. But to me a bit tainted. Have a check scale and a few random kids from the top 5-10 teams step on the scales. Or any obvious kids way off weight. Take the Roller approach, charge $10/20 to challenge a weight ??? With the hosts keeping all profits.

I bet all our club wrestlers weigh probably less or tops 1 lbs different. Why ? We wanted the competition. I knew we weren’t belt worthy

Where is the Truth and mat side weigh ins ?

Great event we will be back. With 10 hammers next year. And all will be on weight. For the comp and well run event. Team trophies are Nice but at what price ?

Let’s wrestle

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Please tell me what tournament lets you contest a wrestler's weight? Abrose always runs a great tournament. However, when I asked him if we can check a wrestler's weight before the match (it was almost a 10lb difference from the previous year's regional) he simply told me "no, he already weighed in at his club". It sucks and this will never change because some clubs know they can get away with it. Apparently these clubs love racking up tot and bantam champions for team points.

Someone told me that they re-checked every wrestler's weight before the Coal City tournament. Is that true? If so, I think every tournament should do that. It's an excellent idea to hold every club accountable.
Some kids dont grow in a year and some may be preparing for tulsa which would explain the lighter weights. This debate wont change the process no matter who complains. I doubt a 40lb kid wrestled a 55lb kid as someone claimed. I also believe people cheat but I also think parents of kids who lose need an excuse to tell their kid why they lost other than the other kid is simply just better. Most kids have practice partners who they are either 5 pounds heavier or lighter than even if they are bantams. No one complains about that because doesnt affect their track profiles. If people have specific examples and proof of clubs cheating, call them out by name of kid or club. Every parent has a scale at home. Bring it if that concerned about cheating. I understand you shouldnt have to do that but if want evidence of cheating to submit to ik, then do that.

Before obsurd claims or accusations that coach noble would cheat for a local tournament, you may want to look into what he does for those kids. Travelling the nation seeking out the toughest schedule and competition for his wrestlers and people think hes going to cheat on weights to gain an advantage is stupidity and ignorance. People obviously dont know he and his club are legit as it gets. As stated, bring a cheap scale and if want to contest a weight but if wrong, I think the person contesting the weight should then be dqd. This would limit everyone trying to justify why little johnny lost to big johnny when they were 8yrs old.

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I doubt a 40lb kid wrestled a 55lb kid as someone claimed.
Here let me clear this one up for everyone.

There was a wrestler who's actual weight is 42-43 lbs. His weight was sent in 10 pounds over that DUE TO A MISTAKE BY THE PERSON WRITING THE WEIGHTS DOWN AT THE SCALE. Thus the 42-43 lbs kid was in a 54-55 pound bracket

The club, coaches, parents missed it the night before in track and caught it at 7:50 am.

The issue was brought to me then and the coach and parents had 2 choices at that point and time. Either stay in the bracket OR be withdrawn from the tournament. They chose to stay and wrestle.

Mistakes will happen if you weigh in the day before---the day off---when ever. So in this instance it was a legitimate mistake.

This is the reason that I stress to coaches--parents in emails to be constantly checking track wrestling. I leave my events open. I do not close them or hide anything ONLY the wrestler list for Midget Championships is closed that's it.

It is better to send an email or text at 1 am about a mistake then to try and fix it 5-10 minutes before the start of the tournament.

Lastly as far as skin and nail checks that too is addressed in my emails that go our the week before and the day before. If a coach sees something AT MATSIDE that coach has the right and ability to have the ref check and get the health care professional that is required at every sanctioned event and look at an issue and make a determination right then and there regardless if they passed skin and nail checks the day before done by whoever. That is a coach's right and a rule that they need to know and utilize.

Day before weigh ins or Call in weigh ins are nothing new. They were going on in Missouri over 20 years ago, they are going on in Wisconsin, and in fact they went on for years at a NATIONAL event. There are ways to curtail the cheating and I am working on implementing them with persons to make sure that they are within USA guidelines but more important DO NOT violate any Safe Sport guidelines.
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So letís be honest is there some people that would cheat on weight. I suppose there are some. But we are talking about 1200 kids. How many do we really think cheat or maybe just guess close. What are we talking 25 or 35. Do we really think itís that much more. Remember when you look at body types they are different. Short and thick or tall and pencil thin. Sometimes we see very tall and say wow he is very big. Not big tall two different things. Just my thoughts.
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A. No kids around here - and I'm using 'kids' as 11 and younger - are dropping that kind of weight, so feel free to turn the alarm down a notch.

B. It is NOT easy for these kids to shed weight in most cases, which is why, a week out, kids who have to spend a little bit of time working on it, are close to their weigh-in weight 3 - 4 days before the weigh in (Tulsa weighs in tomorrow).

If you're worried about 6 / 7 year old weights, might I suggest lightening up a tad bit.
You missed my point entirely. I get it that some of the novice and seniors are cutting for Tulsa, Jon Davis and Iowa. I have no issue with that.

My point is that I am seeing some of these younger kids stepping out on the mat and they are clearly much bigger and stronger than their opponent. Second year bantams are not cutting weight for these local tournaments. Do their clubs forgot they have an official weigh-in at last year's regional that anyone can reference on trackwrestling?
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