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He makes a good point Mal
A lot of people made points...which one are you talking about?
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You said he couldn’t verify anything. That was a lie. My article backed that up.

You can’t book a room at the Moscow Trump hotel so he must have never negotiated the deal. Thanks to the Republicans all “attempted” crimes are now legal. Don’t worry attempted murderers if you failed you’re all good. No probs.
I read the article...most of their claims have just been debunked by the IG report...your article was a year old. Show me anything in that Article proves anything in the Steele Dossier is true.

Steele's primary source has not been in Russia since the 70's or 80's. The sex allegations were a joke in a bar...He can't believe that Steele put any of this in a document.

Think about what you are saying...you are saying that Hillary hired a British spy that had connections in Moscow to interfere in the 2016 election...can you say collusion with Russians in the 2016 election?
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LOL by lifting sanctions. Trying to break up NATO. Getting them back into the G8. Continuously denying their role in meddling with out election. Denying money to Ukraine. Taking their word over our own intelligence agencies. Please don't be a moron.
You didn't read the links if you even clicked on them. Trump imposed sanctions on Russia.

There is a difference between asking NATO members to pay their fair share and breaking up NATO. If NATO Members don't want to pay what they owe, they should learn to speak Russian.

Russia is not in the G7. I think he is trolling you when he says most of the stupid things he says.

He is not denying Russian meddling in our elections...he sanctioned them for it...see Sanctions posted below. He is denying collusion with Russia...there is a difference.

Ukraine got their cash, but I am not sure why we should have to maintain the buffer zone between Europe and Russia. Europe should be paying their fair share.

He can't trust our intelligence agencies...they are spying on him...but seriously...he is trolling you! Was that when a question was asked to Trump when he was sitting with Putin? If I am remembering that correctly, that question was just asked to watch him squirm.

TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ACTIONS ON RUSSIA
Total number of policy actions: 52


2019
Dec 5
Sanctions – In response to $100 million bank hacking scheme
A Russian-based cybercriminal organization called “Evil Corp” was sanctioned for using malware to steal more than $100 million from banks and financial institutions.

Sep 30
Sanctions – In response to 2018 election interference attempt
Four entities and seven individuals, including Russian financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin, were sanctioned over attempted interference in the 2018 U.S. midterm elections.

Sep 26
Sanctions – In response to sanctions-evading scheme for Syria
The Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control identified Moscow-based Maritime Assistance LLC as the head of a “sanctions evasion scheme” to deliver jet fuel to Syria.

Aug 2
Sanctions – In response to Salisbury attack
The U.S. Department of State announced more sanctions against Russia over its use of a nerve agent in Salisbury in 2018. The sanctions fall under the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act and mean the U.S. will oppose loans and assistance by international financial institutions, and restrictions on the export on Department of Commerce-controlled goods and technology.

May 16
Sanctions – In response to human rights abuses
A Chechen group and 5 Russian individuals were sanctioned under the Magnitsky Act over allegations of human rights abuses, including extrajudicial killings and the torture of LGBT people.

May 14
Meeting – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Moscow, Russia
May 1
Statement – On democracy in Venezuela
President Trump denounced Russia’s continued support for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

Apr 24
Statement – In response to Russian assault on Ukraine’s sovereignty
The U.S. Department of State condemned Russia’s decision to grant expedited citizenship to residents of Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine.

Mar 15
Sanctions – In response to Russia’s continued aggression in Ukraine
6 Russian individuals and 8 entities were sanctioned for their involvement in attacks on Ukrainian naval vessels in the Kerch Strait, the annexation of Crimea, and backing of separatist government elections in eastern Ukraine. These actions complement sanctions also taken by the European Union and Canada on the same day.

Mar 14
Statement – In response to escalation of attacks against Idlib, Syria
The U.S. Department of State condemned Russian offensive operations against northern Hama and southern Idlib in Syria.

Mar 11
Sanctions – In response to dealings with Venezuela
The United States sanctioned Evrofinance Mosnarbank, a Moscow-based bank jointly owned by Russian and Venezuelan state-owned companies, for attempting to circumvent U.S. sanctions on Venezuela.

Mar 4
Notice – Continuation of national emergency with respect to Ukraine
President Trump announced the continuation for one year of the national emergency declared with respect to Ukraine.

Feb 27
Statement – On Russian occupation of Crimea
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement condemning Russia’s illegal actions in Crimea and its continued aggression against Ukraine.

Feb 1
Statement – Withdrawing from the INF Treaty
The U.S. administration announced it would suspend its obligations under the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty because Russia was not complying with it.

Jan 29
Release – Worldwide Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community
U.S. intelligence officials delivered their annual assessment of global threats to national security to Congress, identifying cooperation between China and Russia as their top concern.

2018
Dec 21
Statement – Increasing security assistance to Ukraine’s navy
The U.S. Department of State announced it would provide an additional $10 million in Foreign Military Financing to further build Ukraine’s naval capabilities in response to Russian attacks near the Kerch Strait.

Dec 19
Sanctions – In response to Russia’s continued disregard for international norms
18 Russian individuals were sanctioned for their involvement in a wide range of malign activities, including attempting to interfere in the 2016 U.S. election, efforts to undermine international organizations through cyber-enabled means, and the Skripal attack in the United Kingdom.

Dec 7
Statement – In response to Russian false allegations on chemical weapons use in Aleppo, Syria
The U.S. Department of State refuted Russia’s and the Assad regime’s false accusations that the opposition and extremist groups conducted a chlorine attack in northwestern Aleppo.

Dec 4
Statement – Withdrawing from the INF Treaty
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that the U.S. would withdraw from the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty in 60 days if Russia did not return to compliance.

Nov 26
Statements – In response to dangerous escalation in the Kerch Strait
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley condemned Russia’s decision to intercept, fire on, and seize three Ukrainian navy vessels in the Black Sea.

Oct 19
Indictments – In response to attempted interference in U.S. political system
A Russian woman was charged for her alleged role in a conspiracy to interfere in the U.S. political system, including the 2018 midterm election.

Oct 4
Indictments – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
7 officers of the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) were charged for their involvement in hacking Olympic athletes, anti-doping organizations, and chemical weapons monitors.

Sep 20
Sanctions – In response to malicious activities
33 Russian individuals and entities were sanctioned for their role in U.S. election interference and their involvement in supporting military operations in Syria and Ukraine. A Chinese entity and its director were also sanctioned for purchasing jet fighters and missiles from Russia.

Sep 12
Executive Order – Imposing sanctions for election interference
President Trump signed an executive order imposing sanctions on any nation or individual who authorizes, directs, or sponsors meddling operations in U.S. elections. The order would allow for the freezing of assets and the limiting of foreign access to U.S. financial institutions, as well as a cutoff of U.S. investment in sanctioned companies.

Sep 6
Statement – In response to Salisbury attack
The United States issued a joint statement with France, Germany, Canada, and the United Kingdom, reiterating its outrage at the use of a chemical nerve agent in Salisbury and expressing full confidence in the British assessment that the suspects were officers of the Russian military intelligence service (GRU).

Aug 21
Sanctions – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
2 Russian individuals, a Russian company, and a Slovakian company were sanctioned for helping another Russian company avoid sanctions over the country’s malicious cyber-related activities.

Aug 21
Testimony – Assistant Secretary of State A. Wess Mitchell before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Aug 8
Sanctions – In response to Salisbury attack
The U.S. administration announced it would restrict remaining sources of foreign assistance and arms sales to Russia, and deny U.S. credit to Russia, including through the Export-Import Bank. Restrictions would also prohibit the export of security-sensitive goods and technology.

Jul 25
Testimony – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Jul 25
Declaration – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issues Crimea Declaration
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced a formal policy reaffirming the U.S. rejection of Russia’s annexation of Crimea. The announcement was released an hour before his scheduled testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Jul 16
Meeting – Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki, Finland
Jul 13
Indictments – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
12 Russian intelligence officers were sanctioned for their involvement in hacking the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton presidential campaign.

Jul 11-12
Meeting – NATO Summit in Brussels, Belgium
Jun 11
Sanctions – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
5 Russian entities and 3 individuals – all closely linked to Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) – were sanctioned.

Apr 6
Sanctions – In response to worldwide malign activity
7 Russian oligarchs and the companies they own or control, 17 senior Russian government officials, and a state-owned Russian weapons trading company (and a bank it owns) were sanctioned for their roles in advancing Russia’s malign activities – including the continued occupation of Crimea, engaging in cyberattacks, and supporting Assad’s regime.

Mar 26
Expulsions – Russian intelligence officers in Washington and Seattle
48 Russian intelligence officers from the Russian embassy in Washington were expelled, and the Russian consulate in Seattle was ordered to close, in response to the Skripal poisoning in the United Kingdom.

Mar 25
Expulsions – Russian intelligence officers in New York
12 Russian intelligence officers from the Russian Mission to the United Nations in New York were expelled for actions deemed to be abuses of their privilege of residence.

Mar 15
Sanctions – In response to election meddling and cyberattacks
5 Russian entities and 19 individuals were sanctioned for conducting a series of cyberattacks and interfering in the 2016 U.S. elections.

Mar 15
Alert – In response to Russian government cyber activity
The Department of Homeland Security and FBI issued a joint Technical Alert on Russian government actions targeting U.S. government entities, as well as organizations in the energy, nuclear, commercial facilities, water, aviation, and critical manufacturing sectors.

Mar 15
Statement – In response to Salisbury attack
The United States issued a joint statement with France, Germany, and the United Kingdom strongly condemning the Salisbury nerve agent attack and suggesting Russia was responsible for it.

Mar 14
Statement – In response to Salisbury attack
The U.S. administration issued a statement expressing its solidarity to the United Kingdom over the nerve agent attack in Salisbury, and sharing its assessment that Russia was responsible for it.

Mar 4
Statement – In response to Russian and Syrian regime attacks on Eastern Gouta, Syria
The U.S. administration condemned the military offensive that the Assad regime, backed by Russia and Iran, had been conducting in Syria’s Eastern Ghouta region.

Mar 4
Poisoning – Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, England
Feb 16
Indictments – In response to election meddling and cyberattacks
3 Russian entities and 13 individuals were indicted for conducting information operations to influence the 2016 U.S. elections.

Feb 15
Statement – In response to “NotPetya”
The U.S. administration condemned the Russian military for launching a destructive cyberattack in June 2017, also known as “NotPetya.”

Feb 13
Statement – Proposing sanctions on Latvian bank involved in illicit Russian-related activity
The Department of the Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network proposed a new rule to ban ABLV Bank AS, Latvia’s third-biggest bank, for its involvement in illicit Russia-related activity.

Feb 7
Military Action – In response to attack on U.S.-held base in Deir Ezzor, Syria
U.S. troops killed hundreds of Syrian forces backed by Russian mercenaries (as well as Russian private military contractors). The American bombing was launched in response to a surprise attack on a U.S.-held base in the oil-rich Deir Ezzor region in Syria.

Jan 29
Release – Russian ‘Oligarch list’
The Department of the Treasury released a list of the most significant senior foreign political figures and oligarchs in the Russian Federation that could potentially be at risk of sanctions (114 senior political figures close to Russian President Putin and 96 oligarchs with a net worth of $1 billion or more).

Jan 26
Sanctions – In response to Ukraine conflict
21 individuals and 9 entities were sanctioned in connection with the conflict in Ukraine and Russia’s occupation of Crimea.

Jan 19
Release – National Defense Strategy
The Department of Defense released its National Defense Strategy, identifying Russia and China as strategic competitors to the United States.

2017
Dec 22
Announcement – Provision of lethal weapons to Ukraine
The U.S. administration approved a plan to provide Ukraine with enhanced defensive capabilities to help it fight off Russia-backed separatists.

Dec 20
Sanctions – Global Magnitsky Act
52 people and entities from Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, and elsewhere were sanctioned for alleged human rights violations and corruption.

Dec 19
Export restrictions – In response to INF Treaty violation
The Department of Commerce announced new licensing and export restrictions on Russian companies Novator and Titan-Barrikady over production of a cruise missile prohibited by the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF).

Dec 18
Release – National Security Strategy
The White House released its National Security Strategy, identifying Russia and China as adversarial to the United States.

Nov 10-11
Meeting – APEC Economic Leaders’ Summit in Da Nang, Vietnam
Oct 27
Release – Guidance on CAATSA Section 231(d)
The Department of State issued public guidance on the implementation of Section 231 of the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act of 2017 (CAATSA). The guidance specified 39 entities that the Department of State determined are part of – or are operating on behalf of – the Russian defense or intelligence sectors.

Sep 13
Ban – Government use of Kaspersky Labs software
The U.S. administration banned the use of Kaspersky Labs software on government computers due to Kaspersky’s ties to Russian intelligence services.

Aug 2
Legislation – President Trump signs Russia sanctions bill into law (CAATSA)
President Trump signed into law the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions act (CAATSA), enacting new sanctions on Russia, Iran, and North Korea.

Jul 7-8
Meeting – G-20 Summit in Hamburg, Germany
May 26-27
Meeting – G-7 Summit in Sicily, Italy
May 24-25
Meeting – NATO Summit in Brussels, Belgium
Mar 15
Indictments – In response to 2014 Yahoo hack
Three Russian individuals were charged for the 2014 Yahoo hack, including two officers of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB).
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Please impeach trump!

Don't chicken out at the last minute...call your vote...see who is dumb enough to vote yes, and let the party get started.

Must watch TV. Who would have thought that United States Senators would be pushing conspiracy theories that they read right here on Illinois Matmen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yaPqs1u9nE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj5R8x_jSNI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B78KdrMQGo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iefeR4kN1o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-kh3fno7ik

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MAL, I have to had it to you!!! I have never seen anyone hold on to a bone longer! I really believe you would defend Trump if he shot someone on 5th Avenue!. oops, sorry, i have no idea how I could ever come up with a thought like that; I think if we sent the President this thread, he would fly you out to the rally of your choice and seat you right behind him!!!! Seriously bro, you are tough!!
Trump pretty much drove me away from my passion for debating politics...Democrats brought me back. I wont be alone on election day.
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1. Did Donald Trump use his status as president in an effort to extort a personal benefit from Ukraine?

2. Did Donald Trump obstruct Congress' investigation by ordering witnesses not to testify and government agencies not to provide records?

3. If your answer to either "1" or "2" is yes, does that conduct amount to an impeachable offense under the Constitution?
Answer to 1 is No. There is no evidence of that whatsoever.

I cannot tell if this is stupidity or ignorance or both. At least MAL was smart enough to avoid the question entirely. Start with the transcript itself, "I would like you to do us a favor, though." Those are Trump's words. In addition, there is the video of Trump's Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney saying that it was a quid pro quo, and to "deal with it." There is the testimony of the witnesses, including Ambassador Gordon Sondland and Dr. Fiona Hill. There is a mountain of evidence, including testimony about Trump giving orders through his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani. There is video of Trump saying he wanted Ukraine to investigate the Bidens.

Answer to 2 is Yes, but you fail to recognize that there are allowable exceptions to not providing what was requested. Executive privilege. It's always been up to a court to decide whether he needed to provide or not provide.

Again, I cannot tell if this is stupidity or ignorance or both. You have no idea how Executive Privilege works, do you? Here's what is supposed to happen: (A) The witness receives a subpoena, (B) The witness shows up for the hearing, and (C) The witness has the right to claim Executive Privilege for each question, but that doesn't mean it applies. An Impeachment would be meaningless if the president had the right to keep witnesses from testifying or records from being requested.


Impeachment is reserved for high crimes. There is nothing of the sort here. Was it in the public's interest to uncover the corruption present with the Bidens? If the answer is Yes then it pre-empts any political benefit Trump may or may not receive in the future.

This is one of the reasons why the Founding Fathers thought Impeachment so important: A president who has used his post for selfish reasons. The rest of your answer is just stupid.

Again, I must ask: What makes you support such a corrupt immoral fake billionaire? Is it the racism? Do you have a sensuous cos-play relationship with your guns? Why?
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Answer to 1 is No. There is no evidence of that whatsoever.

I cannot tell if this is stupidity or ignorance or both. At least MAL was smart enough to avoid the question entirely. Start with the transcript itself, "I would like you to do us a favor, though." Those are Trump's words. In addition, there is the video of Trump's Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney saying that it was a quid pro quo, and to "deal with it." There is the testimony of the witnesses, including Ambassador Gordon Sondland and Dr. Fiona Hill. There is a mountain of evidence, including testimony about Trump giving orders through his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani. There is video of Trump saying he wanted Ukraine to investigate the Bidens.

Answer to 2 is Yes, but you fail to recognize that there are allowable exceptions to not providing what was requested. Executive privilege. It's always been up to a court to decide whether he needed to provide or not provide.

Again, I cannot tell if this is stupidity or ignorance or both. You have no idea how Executive Privilege works, do you? Here's what is supposed to happen: (A) The witness receives a subpoena, (B) The witness shows up for the hearing, and (C) The witness has the right to claim Executive Privilege for each question, but that doesn't mean it applies. An Impeachment would be meaningless if the president had the right to keep witnesses from testifying or records from being requested.


Impeachment is reserved for high crimes. There is nothing of the sort here. Was it in the public's interest to uncover the corruption present with the Bidens? If the answer is Yes then it pre-empts any political benefit Trump may or may not receive in the future.

This is one of the reasons why the Founding Fathers thought Impeachment so important: A president who has used his post for selfish reasons. The rest of your answer is just stupid.

Again, I must ask: What makes you support such a corrupt immoral fake billionaire? Is it the racism? Do you have a sensuous cos-play relationship with your guns? Why?
Your argument might have some relevance if this was a legal matter, but here is the problem with your case.

"In the United States, there are specific elements of a crime that the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt in order to obtain a conviction. The three specific elements (with exception) that define a crime which the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt in order to obtain a conviction: (1) that a crime has actually occurred (actus reus), (2) that the accused intended the crime to happen (mens rea) and (3) and concurrence of the two meaning there is a timely relationship between the first two factors."

Your victim, Zelenski, claims there was no crime. To prove intent you would have to read Trumps mind because the witnesses testimony is 99% hearsay. And now Sondland is being contradicted by the Ukrainian he talked to.

...but none of that matters because another poll just put Trump at over 50% today. I don't remember which one, but trust me you are going the wrong direction.
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Are you responding to the correct thread?
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I cannot tell if this is stupidity or ignorance or both.
Stupidity and ignorance? Ask fans of the Illini program if they believe your Batman stuff is embarrassing the program. Maybe then you can get to the heart of real stupidity and ignorance.
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