State Brackets

[Nic9er]

This is an issue every year and every year our sectional directors tell us they will not post the State Brackets before State.

Let's see how many votes we can get before this weekend so the 8 directors can hear what the fans at ILLINOISMATMEN would like since many are IKWF card members and coaches.

Let's face it coaches if they can't deal with who they will be wrestling at State maybe they don't need to be wrestling.

Post the State Brackets by Monday!!!

Anyone else agree?
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[Kelly Green]

I'm all for the state brackets being available to the public. I noticed there is a spot for them on the IKWF web page under the State Tournament Information link...

[STEVE CARLSON]

Speaking For Myself - I Like To Go Over The Brackets With My Wrestlers Before They See Them Elseware - It Seems To Have A Calming Effect - Rather Then A State Of Shock - I Have No Problem With Them Being Posted After The Monday, After Sctionals.

[MajDec]

I agree, they should be posted.

[Predator]

i agree that they should be posted

[YC MOM]

I agree with all of you. The state brackets should be published. Where there is a will there is a way that the coaches and wrestlers get them anyway. I believe seeing the brackets ahead of time helps everyone prepare for the competition.

[wrestlersdad]

Why not post the brackets?....I don't get it......don't see the down side to posting them.....

[wrestlersdad]

i don't get it......why not post the brackets?....what is the downside?......the longer you treat them like kids, the longer they act like kids.......

[twentymilz]

Of course they should be posted.

Especially good for all those family and friends who can't make it to the tournament!

[Spike]

Throw them up for all to see...The kids have earned it!

[G-MAN]

I Agree, They Should Be Posted

[bigred]

Post the brackets

[wrestmom]

I agree, these kids work hard all year for this and it's better to prepare them for who they will have at state instead of sending them into a panic about who they will wrestle first. Please post the state brackets....:rolleyes:

[Spartandog]

I agree, these kids work hard all year for this and it's better to prepare them for who they will have at state instead of sending them into a panic about who they will wrestle first. Please post the state brackets....:rolleyes:

When was it ever stated that the coaches and wrestlers do not get to see the brackets? Every single kids club's head coach gets a copy of the brackets.

[BKANDK]

Post them. It makes no sense not to.

[Artheritis]

Let's see; so far the voting is 13 in favor to 1 that you can't determine where he stands on the issue.
I'd love to see it, but I really don't plan on any brackets being posted before state.

[Spartandog]

Let's see; so far the voting is 13 in favor to 1 that you can't determine where he stands on the issue.
I'd love to see it, but I really don't plan on any brackets being posted before state.
Every single head coach had access to the State Brackets on the Monday after Sectionals last year... why is this an issue again???

[bigred]

Spartandog, Why so myopic:eek: ? One of the issue is that there are plenty of wrestling fans, parents and non IKWF wrestlers who are interested in the state series brackets who may not have access to all those IKWF head coaches who you said have the information. What's the big deal of posting the brackets and why is there resistance to a perfectly reasonable request?

[Wrestle Fan]

As a parent of a wrestler, I also agree with everyone they should be posted. I also agree that it is nice if the coaches go over the brackets with their kids to discuss strategies and so forth. Why not post them the Monday after sectionals. That would satisfy everyone!!

[Spartandog]

Spartandog, Why so myopic:eek: ? One of the issue is that there are plenty of wrestling fans, parents and non IKWF wrestlers who are interested in the state series brackets who may not have access to all those IKWF head coaches who you said have the information. What's the big deal of posting the brackets and why is there resistance to a perfectly reasonable request?

The State brackets "WERE" posted last year before the tournament...??? Not sure what all the crying and gnashing of teeth is about?? Or is this subject just one that people are so used to crying about, that it is a hard habit to break...?

The IKWF board addressed this subject specifically last season, and agreed to make the brackets available to every single IKWF club immediately after they were available, so for those that say that coaches and wrestlers do not have the opportunity to view these brackets... they have a coach who is making no effort to obtain these brackets...

Mike Urwin made it a point to post the State brackets before he left for Rockford last season, so once again, these brackets were available to every single wrestling fan, parent ( psychotic or not ), wrestler, casual observer , or anyone who needed these pairings for any reason !!! THE BRACKETS WERE POSTED AND AVAILABLE WELL BEFORE THE STATE TOURNAMENT LAST YEAR !!!!! But for those that want the brackets now, even before the Sectional Tournaments have even been wrestled, we will continue to hear complaints and backhanded insults to the organization that continues to be the best youth wrestling organization in the nation, and continues to go above and beyond, to accomodate their membership, the wrestlers and coaches of the IKWF...

[Jaguar]

This comes up every year, and every year the brackets are not posted because a couple of coaches have their own philosophy about it. I say POST THE BRACKETS!

[Spartandog]

As a parent of a wrestler, I also agree with everyone they should be posted. I also agree that it is nice if the coaches go over the brackets with their kids to discuss strategies and so forth. Why not post them the Monday after sectionals. That would satisfy everyone!!

Your wrestler's coach has access to the State Brackets immediatley after they are available... always has... I just don't get it...

[Kelly Green]

Who would be the person to require Mike Urwin to post them on the web site? I think it would be our IKWF President Jim Considine.

And if they are not posted, what would it take for a club with a wrestling web page to post the brackets themselves anyway??? Not much...

[Spartandog]

This comes up every year, and every year the brackets are not posted because a couple of ciaches have their own philosophy about it. I say POST THE BRACKETS!
Actually , much more than a couple of coaches voiced their opinions about this, so attempt to spin it to serve your own purpose all you want...

But, the IKWF has done a great job of making these brackets available to every single club... if your head coach cannot get his hands on the State Pairings as soon as they are available... he is not trying...

[Jaguar]

What is not to get? People want them posted. That's it. That includes coaches, and not just parents as you have presumed in the past.

[Spartandog]

What is not to get? People want them posted. That's it. That includes coaches, and not just parents as you have presumed in the past.
And once again... the brackets were available to every single club immediately after they were available... and the State Pairings were posted on the IKWF website well before the State Tournament ... do you want the IKWF to deliver them to everyone's home?? Not sure where these false accusations of the brackets not being posted are coming from???

[Spartandog]

Who would be the person to require Mike Urwin to post them on the web site? I think it would be our IKWF President Jim Considine.

And if they are not posted, what would it take for a club with a wrestling web page to post the brackets themselves anyway??? Not much...

Incorrect... that specific decision was discussed and voted on by the IKWF Board of Directors...

That is why Mike did a terrific job last season of making the brackets avaialble to every team as soon as they were ready, and he did a great job of posting them on the IKWF website before he left for Rockford last year...

[Kelly Green]

Allrighty then...as the Caveman once said "I stand corrected":)


I think the state brackets will be posted on the IKWF web page anyway. Hopefully by Tuesday at the latest. Of course Monday would be great...

Then again, I could be wrong and we can start this thread all over again next week:)

[Bob2]

but weren't the brackets "password" protected? So a parent really couldn't see the brackets unless the coach published the password....right?

[Spartandog]

but weren't the brackets "password" protected? So a parent really couldn't see the brackets unless the coach published the password....right?

for the first day or two it was left up to the coach to share the pairings with his club as he saw fit... you are correct..

[Jaguar]

The brackets were posted last year only after people complained and were repeatedly told they would not be posted.

As a COACH, we get tired of kids and parents repeatedly asking US to see OUR brackets, and we do not want to make 100 copies of those brackets so that each wrestler or parent who wants one can have one. We show them to our wrestlers once. We talk about it. And we put them away. HOWEVER, most people are not just interested in their bracket or their son's bracket; they want to see their team members' brackets and their friends' sons' brackets. AND, believe it or not, there are people who don't even have kids wrestling in the IKWF anyore who are interested to see what is gong on. For the love of God, what is the damn problem with posting the stupid brackets! You would think that there was some top secret intelligence in those brackets that would compromise national security the way they have been guarded in the past.

But really.... why don't you just let people know they will be posted instead of stirring up the pot again with your sarcastic comments?

[Nic9er]

The head coaches may have had the password last year but many did not feel the need to share it with their other coaches. Control issues within the club and the IKWF as a whole I think. And yes the brackets were posted for everyone to see the DAY BEFORE STATE (about 6 hours before weigh-ins).


Anyone else up for froming an Parent & Coaches Youth Wrestling Advisory Commitee?



S-Dawg: Of course you don't get it you have been a head coach for too long, meaning you have total control of what your club wrestlers and parents see. What is good for your club is not always good for all, true the Board does vote on this and other issues but 90% of the time vote their own way and not the way of the sectional members they service as sectional directors.

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[PantherPop]

Post The Brackets!!

[Coach Ryan]

Is there a benefit of not posting the brackets? What the heck is the big secret? I wouldn't worry about NO SHOWS, the kids that are too afraid to show probably won't do that hot. Good Luck at sectionals and state. I'm all for the brackets being posted. Get the brackets up and let the kids prepare.

[bigred]

Spartandog, I know this digresses a bit from the subject but I was wondering if you ever worked in the customer relations area of the City of Chicago parking ticket dept.:)

[Artheritis]

Sorry to bring this up, but can anybody tell me where the IL North Sectional tournament will be held? It took till thursday of last week to find out where the Regionals were, & for those of us that are simply fans (my kids finished IKWF years ago) the only place we can get info. is if it's published/communicated.

[Spartandog]

The head coaches may have had the password last year but many did not feel the need to share it with their other coaches. Control issues within the club and the IKWF as a whole I think. And yes the brackets were posted for everyone to see the DAY BEFORE STATE (about 6 hours before weigh-ins).




Anyone else up for froming an Parent & Coaches Youth Wrestling Advisory Commitee?



S-Dawg: Of course you don't get it you have been a head coach for too long, meaning you have total control of what your club wrestlers and parents see. What is good for your club is not always good for all, true the Board does vote on this and other issues but 90% of the time vote their own way and not the way of the sectional members they service as sectional directors.



I am out ......

Would like to know how you came up with this opinion... and would also like to know who you actually think the Sectional Directors have to answer to ???

[Spartandog]

Spartandog, I know this digresses a bit from the subject but I was wondering if you ever worked in the customer relations area of the City of Chicago parking ticket dept.:)

No, but it sounds like you've had more than a passing relationship with the Chicago parking ticket Dept.... no?

[Spike]

What's taht old saying..."Let Sleeping Spartandogs Lie"?:D

[Spartandog]

Again S-Dawg I dont see a need to tell you what you already know.

I am out ...........

I called that one...

[bigred]

Yes Spartandog, I have had more than a passing relationship with the Chicago parking ticket department and thankfully it was slighlty less painful than reading your wornout, unresponsive, didactic, sacastic and defensive responses to people whose opinions are just as valid as yours. You remind me of the Woody Hayes' and Bob Knights of the world when they started believing that their word was the only word. Get off your high horse and walk with us common folk if you can stand it.:cool:

[Spartandog]

SpartanDog wrote:

Would like to know how you came up with this opinion... and would also like to know who you actually think the Sectional Directors have to answer to ???

I have been involved in youth wrestling awhile, and the SD are representatives of their sections so they would answer to their members. As great of guys as they are, they still do not represent their members best interest at times. So do you want to open this debate?

Avon called your order is in. You called it huh, ummm ok if you want to debate something speak or forever hold your peace. I am a very direct and to the point type of person most times while you yourself speak in riddles, sacratism and double talk. Smoke mirrors and illusions, I will give you the fact your group does many a magic trick on the mats.

So where are we and what shall we debate?

On a closing note, important information this year as been lacking some at best and as we know Mr Urwin can not do everything himself or should he have to. Also the website needs a major make over, communication communication communication.

I am out ..........

There in, lies the problem... We may differ on the opinion of who the Sectional Directors are answering to. The facts are, that the Sectional Directors have to answer to the head of each kid's wrestling club, which in most cases is the head coach of that team. So, when a Sectional Director needs to take something to the board, and needs input, or a vote from each club, he contacts the head of that club. The IKWF Sectional Directors and in effect, the IKWF Board, answer to their members, which include each member club, which is represented by their head coach, and any wrestlers that are USA sanctioned and on that team's roster. That is the extent of the IKWF membership.

So, if you feel representation is lacking in your neck of the woods, the first place to look is the person representing the wrestling club in question. I know most head coaches in the organization, and most hold a very good relationship with their Sectional Directors, which by the way, are a terrific group of people, and represent the IKWF and the sport of wrestling proudly and dilligently! On the other hand, I know a few other coaches that just don't bother to get invloved in much, outside of their matrooms, and for whatever reason, that is their choice. Every parent that has concerns, ideas and questions, needs to follow the chain of command the same way everyone else in the organization has to. Changes at any level always begin with the head coach or representative of the your wrestling club, who in turns communicates with their Sectional Director, who in turns communicates with the IKWF Board of Directors.

It's all about choices... choosing which team to be a part of... head coaches choosing a Sectional Director to represent their club to the Board of Directors... the Sectional Directors in conjunction with their member clubs, choosing Board members... All of the pieces are in place, and things in the organization are as good as ever for our young athletes!

I understand that no matter who's in charge, and no matter how good things are going, there will always be those few that are not going to be happy with something, and instead of going through proper channels, which is the only way to do things effectively... they will choose to avoid doing the right thing, and spread their propoganda on these message boards...


So these are the facts... not riddles... not sarcasm... not double talk...

So, before you challenge my integrity, the integrity of my club, and the integrity of the IKWF, you need to look a little closer to home first.

Whew.... ! Now, back to work. Later....

[Spartandog]

Yes Spartandog, I have had more than a passing relationship with the Chicago parking ticket department and thankfully it was slighlty less painful than reading your wornout, unresponsive, didactic, sacastic and defensive responses to people whose opinions are just as valid as yours.


Hey dude ! Hang in there ! I'm just getting started ! Enjoy the ride !


You remind me of the Woody Hayes' and Bob Knights of the world when they started believing that their word was the only word. Get off your high horse and walk with us common folk if you can stand it.:cool:


My word means no more than anyone else's... ( ya' think he's gonna buy that one? ) But I have been a proud member of the IKWF and USA Wrestling for over 15 years, and have always been grateful for the terrific job that these organizations have done for every single wrestler that has passed through my doors. So, my words may hold just as much impact as just about anyone else's, but I just say them louder ! You may want to try thinking a little higher of yourself too, while you're at it. There are no common folk in the IKWF ! We are all a special breed...

[bigred]

I will. You're on a roll!;)

[wrestlingfather1]

Spartandog said: There are no common folk in the IKWF ! We are all a special breed...

You said it the best, that is the problem. You do not want common folk.

[Spartandog]

Spartandog said: There are no common folk in the IKWF ! We are all a special breed...

You said it the best, that is the problem. You do not want common folk.

I always say it the best ! But you need to read it right...

[PredatorDad]

Spartandog: I have seen multiple points in this thread where you step forward, to appear to defend the IKWF board of directors when you feel they are under attack.

So that I better understand your actual position on the question of avialablity of brackets, do you feel that state brackets should become immediately available (on IKWF website) to the entire population of the IKWF without the use of passwords?

Do you feel that these brackets (when completed) should only be made available to head coaches?

In reading the posts on here, I am not clear if you are defending your position or the IKWF. Please help me better understand.

Thank you.

[Spartandog]

[QUOTE=PredatorDad]Spartandog: I have seen multiple points in this thread where you step forward, to appear to defend the IKWF board of directors when you feel they are under attack...

So that I better understand your actual position on the question of avialablity of brackets, do you feel that state brackets should become immediately available (on IKWF website) to the entire population of the IKWF without the use of passwords?

Since the subject was discussed, voted on and decided by the Sectional Directors in accordance to proper procedure... I certainly believe that the members of the IKWF are entitled to have their wishes abided by... that is my actual position.

Do you feel that these brackets (when completed) should only be made available to head coaches?

For the first couple of days ....yes.... and in my situation, if I have a copy of the brackets, they are certainly available to all of my families for viewing... This is why I am stymied as to why people do not have access to the brackets right away? Unless, they do not have a favorable relationship with their head coach.. that, as far as I can see, is the only reason... and if it is, the IKWF and their procedures is not the problem, by any stretch of the imagination...

In reading the posts on here, I am not clear if you are defending your position or the IKWF. Please help me better understand.

They are one and the same... No one person is larger than the whole... that is why there are procedures, rules and guidelines, it is up to the individual to follow them... or not...

[Spartandog]

[QUOTE=Nic9er]"riddles, sacratism and double talk"

What exactly is this "sacratism" thing? I've seen it mentioned a couple of times here...??? Can it be treated? Contagious?

:D just havin' me some fun ! :confused:


Pred Dad:

The vote was not to post the brackets before the State tournament. Look for them to be posted 6 hours before the start of weigh-ins like last year. I will always try to give everyone a straight answer, no one likes to be jerked around and have their time wasted. Many have control issues, information has been lacking and continues to be lacking.


Then, you're with the wrong club...


I am all for froming a Parents, Wrestlers & Coaches Advisory Wrestling Committee to help the head coaches and the IKWF Board better serve its members.

Do you want to elaborate on how you think the IKWF is not serving the wrestlers and clubs of the IKWF ???

Anyone else with me ..... How about ISAG you are still trying to spear head a ROOTS group would you like on board on this project also?

Is anyone else laughing theirs butts off thinking of the movie "Old School" ???

Since we have some other smart individuals within the IKWF anyone else know about or heard of the Freedom Of Information Act?

Sure, Counselor ... what exactly is the IKWF not releasing to their members???

Coaches, wrestlers, parents, since many a head coach choose to do as they wish reguardless of his club members, email your sectional director, email the board members and let them know you are not happy with the decision of few for the majority. Email addys can be found at www.ikwf.org (http://www.ikwf.org/).

You're actually suggesting that the IKWF tell each club how to run their wrestling teams??? Seriously trying to see if there is any method to your madness...


Anyone know how many sectional directors even asked the question about the release of the brackets?

Is this a multiple choice question ??? C'mon ! Show a brother some love !!!

Anyone else who coaches in the IHSA hear all the grief about the IHSA brackets being posted late?

You want the IKWF to be a government sanctioned entitiy, now? Do you go into crowded movie theatres and yell, "FIRE" too ????


Anyone else who coaches in the IESA notice they dont seem to have a problem with posting regional/sectional/state brackets and results?

Not sure at all, what credence this has...



Later kids ! Practice Time ! Good Luck to all this weekend !

[bigred]

Spartandog, I'm sure most readers realize you're having fun because they know by now that you are infalible and have never committed a typo yourself....but to play along with the thought..sure "sarcratism" can be treated. First you look into the mirror and say to yourself, "Spartandog,oh wise one, please remember that when making taunting, deriding or ridiculing responses to those not as wise and or as well connected as you inside this fine organization, that you realize it is often percieved as abasive, arrogant ramblings from a person who appears more intent on winning an argument than in holding a civil discourse with those many, many others who differ with your point of view,no matter how deeply you love your own opinion." Repeat this mantra at least ten times a day for ten days (or whenever you read the next post disagreeing with you) drink a cold beer, take 2 asprin and go to bed. I hope this helps cure the dreaded affliction:D

[Artheritis]

Spartandog; I, for one, am not with a club (haven't been for several years). I'm a former IKWF dad (ie: a fan). I still am a fan. The reason I still am a fan is that there is NO BETTER WAY for a kid to get wrestling instruction than in the IKWF, period.
That said, the lack of communication is bordering on laughable. The regional locations became available last Thursday, & there's no mechanism in place to post the results. The sectional locations, to my knowlege, still have not been posted (forget about the brackets).
How the IESA, an organization that still trails the IKWF in quality, can make us look foolish when it comes to communication is beyond me. Want to know the regional IESA placers? It's on thier website. Want the IESA sectional brackets? Same place (but you do have to draw them out yourself, no big deal w/the regional placers available). State brackets? I'll bet ya 10 bucks that Sun. night/Mon. morning they'll be up. State results? I'll bet another 10 it'll take less than 12 hours after thier tournament before you see them, if they don't update them DURING the tournament.
I had a problem w/this lack of info. when I was involved, but now that I'm just a fan I can see why so many kids are deciding to leave the IKWF for the IESA when they hit Jr. High. Believe me, it really pains me to say this, because regardless of what you think of what I've just written, I still firmly believe the IKWF prepares kids better for H.S. than any other option, something I think it does in spite of itself.

[pintawin]

just post schematics like the ihsa does on sunday night its easy boys. have a board meeting and roll some dice

[29857]

You sumed it up the best. It seems like such a no brainer that poor communication leads to collapse. How can any competent person or group believe otherwise?

Obviously interest is high as "fans" even spend time inquiring on this board. How can we have such a week web site? Is there too much time being spent on message boards? Would there be if more information was posted on the web site? Information = interest = advertizement = growth.

My fear is that it is all a symptom of disorganization, politics, or both. I truely hope it isn't.

But when information is lacking, especially vital information like "where the hell are we going on Saturday." "And don't forget we have to weigh in from 5-7 on Friday? Oh yeh, it's 7-9, did you hear?" It kind of makes you wonder.

The lesson is when information is not readily available and timely for those requiring it, less people participate. This simple law of human nature holds true in relationships of all kinds. Business, Education, society and even with the IKWF organization.

So, with all due respect to those who are really in power, think of where we've come from and don't step into the same holes. Weed out the politics as best you can by keep your feet grounded as public servants. That is the position you have been entrusted with.

But for Gods sake, don't create an environment where politics can flurish or where people feel ignored and talked down to.

[bigred]

It must be resting........:cool:

[pintawin]

I dont think we got asked in a meeting if we wanted brackets posted but I will ask our head coach. Somebody needs to make up some ballets for rockford and take a vote. it would end up a small % of members, fans, coaches etc but it might send our message. It might also get us kicked out of the state tournament.:D

[29857]

very sorry to hear this.

[gumby]

I AGREE -- POST THE BRACKETS! ONCE AGAIN THE POINT BEING NOT EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO A COACH TO GET THE INFO FROM -- FAMILY AND FRIENDS -- IKWF ALUMNI, ETC. MAINTAIN INTEREST IN THIS SPORT TO KEEP IN GOING! MY OWN WRESTLERS LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THEIR FRIENDS AND PAST FOES AND WHO THEY'RE GOING AGAINST, ETC. KEEP THE EXCITEMENT GOING AND POST THOSE BRACKETS! EVEN WHEN I HAVE THEM AHEAD OF TIME, I STILL BUY THE PROGRAM AS A KEEPSAKE!!!

[Old112]

All this bitching? if the coaches and parents want the brackets posted how come no one has posted the password on here. this site is not controlled by the ikwf. seems simple to me.
and Spartandog dont be so high and mighty about not giving the brackets to your kids. Your club used to post the brackets on your own website after getting them from the IKWF so ease up Mike.

[Spartandog]

All this bitching? if the coaches and parents want the brackets posted how come no one has posted the password on here. this site is not controlled by the ikwf. seems simple to me.
and Spartandog dont be so high and mighty about not giving the brackets to your kids. Your club used to post the brackets on your own website after getting them from the IKWF so ease up Mike.

Get a clue, Old112... my kids and all of my parents have all seen the brackets... we never withold the brackets ... I never once said my wrestlers aren't allowed to see their brackets... that is the first thing we do at Monday's practice, then we put them away and start preparing for Friday... And I've only glanced briefly at them since I got them... Nice try... you're crying to the wrong person...

[Old112]

Relax dude you are getting way too fired up. show some control

[wrestle112]

LETS JUST WRESTLE!:eek:

[Spartandog]

Relax dude you are getting way too fired up. show some control
Fired up comes Friday... laughing right now... thanks for the help...

[thetruth]

Coach Ryan, great job with your kids qualifying for state. The Brawlers will have a great tournament in Rockford. Good luck to you and Coach Zinanni.

[pintawin]

Truth........since you know who we are who are you?

[Nic9er]

Bump To The Top

[Hawk Nelson]

Post Them.

[Jaguar]

Post them,

[ScoobysMom]

And once again... the brackets were available to every single club immediately after they were available... and the State Pairings were posted on the IKWF website well before the State Tournament ... do you want the IKWF to deliver them to everyone's home?? Not sure where these false accusations of the brackets not being posted are coming from???


Okay, but what about those of us who's kids are now in high school and do not wrestle with a kids club how do we see the brackets?

That's the point.....WE DONT!

[ScoobysMom]

The brackets were posted last year only after people complained and were repeatedly told they would not be posted.

As a COACH, we get tired of kids and parents repeatedly asking US to see OUR brackets, and we do not want to make 100 copies of those brackets so that each wrestler or parent who wants one can have one. We show them to our wrestlers once. We talk about it. And we put them away. HOWEVER, most people are not just interested in their bracket or their son's bracket; they want to see their team members' brackets and their friends' sons' brackets. AND, believe it or not, there are people who don't even have kids wrestling in the IKWF anyore who are interested to see what is gong on. For the love of God, what is the damn problem with posting the stupid brackets! You would think that there was some top secret intelligence in those brackets that would compromise national security the way they have been guarded in the past.

But really.... why don't you just let people know they will be posted instead of stirring up the pot again with your sarcastic comments?




I have to believe its a CONTROL thing, there really is no other reasonable explanation.

[ScoobysMom]

All this bitching? if the coaches and parents want the brackets posted how come no one has posted the password on here. this site is not controlled by the ikwf. seems simple to me.
and Spartandog dont be so high and mighty about not giving the brackets to your kids. Your club used to post the brackets on your own website after getting them from the IKWF so ease up Mike.

It happened one year and the password was changed ASAP.....The IKWF board members have Control Issues. There parents must have been to strict on them in their younger years.:p

[HeaD RaT]

Yo Notorious than you and a few others are the only ones who do not want them posted.

Part of the fun is speculation and predications, as the Notorious Didi says "Can you dig it baby". :p

H R

[DawgeatDawg2]

You guys aren't playing fair. We have been on teams run by the Sec. Director that get the brackets now, there kids get them now, the club coaches get them next and do what they please with them. The only reasoning being that some coaches don't want there kids seeing them. I think if you have a kid that gets psyched when he looks at his bracket, he needs to be taught how to handle it, not hide the brackets and let it continue. Because if that gets him out of wac I guarantee there are numerous other things that do to.

[Wizard DaD]

The problem most of the time is that the young wrestlers are the ones and a few times their dads who are too excited about the up coming event and put their foot in their mouths with unneeded trash talk with is a good part of youth sports.

[Wizard DaD]

Who said I liked it but I have been involved enough in my childrens lives and am I parent to more than one not so angel like child at times. :) With that stated ok we agree some parents do get overly excited and since I work at a middle school I see and hear a great deal from the young generation. :(

[girlscanwrestletoo]

I agree they should be posted, this isn't a national secret. You would thing this is desert storm!

[Spartandog]

I agree they should be posted, this isn't a national secret. You would thing this is desert storm!

No deserts in Rockford... how about... "The Rumble in Rockford ! " or... "The Rockford Ruckus ! " or... ????

[Artheritis]

How about the best kept secret in Illinois?

[baddoz11]

Some of the brackets are insanely stacked....95 and 101 senior are gonna be well worth the addmission.

[wrestlersdad]

check out the top half of 108 senior - talk about stacked!

[pittsniffer's mom]

Who are the top ones in Senior 101? Bo Schlosser should be near the top.

[baddoz11]

Antonio Juarez vs Winner Stephen Robertson/Shane Dierking
Nick Dardanes vs. Winner Stepheb Rensing/Mitchell Moore
Jordan McCartney vs. Winner Frank Baer/Kevin Graumenz
Bo Schlosser vs. Winner Shane Burke/Bobby Furlan
Michael Smith vs. Winner Buddy Daly/Austin Hubbard
Alli Ragan vs. Winner Matt O'Boyle/Carlos Hernandez
Eric Oyster vs Winner Tony Pinto/Ross Brucker
Patrick Scully vs Winner Wes Dempsey/Ryan March

(Senior 101)

[Jaguar]

notorious[/COLOR]]I never said there was anything wrong with speculation and predictions. It's how those speculations and predictions are conveyed on a message board. Most are not mature enough to make their predictions or speculate without resorting to offending and belittling one of these young kids. I saw on another board where someone posted something along the lines of these kids can handle it because they step into the center of the mat on Sundays. That statement or excuse justifies my point. Sure they're tough kids for even participating in the sport but does that make what some of these posters do right. Because they are wrestlers do they have to be slammed on a message board. I really think this whole issue has very little to do about hype, anticipation, etc., and more to do about giving a bunch of old and out of shape dads and moms something to gossip about. Again, we have noone to blame but ourselves. If you disagree read some of the IHSA state prediction posts and see what kind of war that turned into at times.

I strongly resent your statement that "most are not mature enough" to post thoughts about the State tournament. These boards were way out of control a year or two ago, but this year they have not been. That WAS mostly kids. People are going to talk trash (if that is what they want to do) with or without the state brackets being posted. I don't like it any more than you apprently do, and I was very focal about ending it.

I don't think that has anything to do with whether to post the information or not. It is the first time I have ever heard that as an excuse, and I have read every comment and talked about it for the past three years.

You stick up for the kids while putting down all those "out of shape moms and dads". Apparently it is ok in your book to say bad things about the parents of the kids. What do you think the kids will think about the way you put their parents down? They might read it and be offended.

The comment about the center of the mat was mine. I logged in from home, and I don't know my password for that site. People know exactly who I am. You twisted what I said to make it sound like I was in favor of letting adults take pot shots at the kids. I was not addressing your new reason for not posting the brackets (that people might talk bad about the kids); I was addressing the reason that was given last year for not posting the brackets (that we don't want the kids thinking too much abd worrying about who they are going to wrestle). These kids are more mature and grown up then we give them credit for. It is not easy to step into the center of the mat week in and week out and face their fears in front of a gym full of people - one on one. However, they have learned to deal with it, and to over come their fears. That is one thing that makes this sport so great - it helps build character in our kids. My point was that dealing with who they are going to wrestle is all part of wrestling. If you have a kid that is a worrier, he is not going to worry any less not knowing who he will wrestle until he gets to the State tournament. In fact, from what I have seen, the anxiety is even higher and more difficult to deal with when they find out at State. There isn't time for a coach or parent to help the kid work through it at that point.

In high school, it is not a big deal. The brackets are posted on the IHSA site for all to see. If they have to deal with that pressure in high school, wouldn't it be better in the long run to help them get used to it and handle it first when they are kids, when the stakes aren't as high? Isn't kids wrestling a training ground for high school and beyond. I know some people act like it is life and death, but it isn't. I would rather have my son deal with it as a kid wrestler and be ready for it when he steps in to high school.

The wrestling community is its own worst enemy. The hype surrounding little league baseball, basketball and football (the popular sports) is huge. Why do you think they are so popular? People like to talk about sports; they like to think about sports; they like to debate about sports; and all that "hype" perpetuates an interest and excitement about sports. I HATE trash talking. Don't lump in with people that like to slam kids or talk trash about kids or anyone. I don't like it in professional football. I don't even watch professional basketball because of it. But interest, excitement and discussion is healthy. Without it, we end up with a sport that is not very interesting to most people. We don't do enough to promote an interest in wrestling to begin with, and I personally think that withholding the state brackets is very short sighted on our part.

People do rankings and post results from the Midwest Classic and other tournaments, but for some reason the state tournament is off limits. I really don't get it. The IESA posts their brackets. Are they more mature than we are?

BTW, I am not just an "out of shape dad"; I am also a coach. I get the password, and I see the brackets. I didn't share it with anyone. I was a "good" IKWF'er; but I just don't get it, and I don't see what the big deal is.

[Artheritis]

In answer to your question, "the Iesa posts the brackets, are they more mature than we are"? Well, I'm soory to say that they probably are.
OH, we're you referring to the KIDS??? Well, that's a different question now, isn't it?