Dominating the Millennium!!

[Geezus]

Who can beat the dominance of Montini. In the past 8 years Montini has crowned 22 STATE CHAMPIONS!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

2000A Chase Beebe (Fr.), Lombard (Montini)
2001A Chase Beebe (So.), Lombard (Montini)
2001A Mike Grimes (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2002A Conor Beebe (Fr.), Lombard (Montini)
2002A Vince Colletti (Fr.), Lombard (Montini)
2002A Chase Beebe (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2002A Mike Grimes (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)
2002A Adam Clay (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2003A Conor Beebe (So.), Lombard (Montini)
2003A Dustin Fowler (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)

2003A Chase Beebe (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)
2004A Mike Benefiel (Fr.), Lombard (Montini)
2004A Conor Beebe (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2004A Brian Martin (So.), Lombard (Montini)
2004A Vince Colletti (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2005A Conor Beebe (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)
2005A Brian Martin (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2005A Mikey Benefiel (So.), Lombard (Montini)
2006AA Mike Benefiel (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2007AA Mike Benefiel (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)
2007AA Garrett Goebel (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2008AA Garrett Goebel (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)

[Cavey]

Who can beat the dominance of Montini. In the past 8 years Montini has crowned 22 STATE CHAMPIONS!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

2000A Chase Beebe (Fr.), Lombard (Montini)
2001A Chase Beebe (So.), Lombard (Montini)
2001A Mike Grimes (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2002A Conor Beebe (Fr.), Lombard (Montini)
2002A Vince Colletti (Fr.), Lombard (Montini)
2002A Chase Beebe (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2002A Mike Grimes (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)
2002A Adam Clay (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2003A Conor Beebe (So.), Lombard (Montini)
2003A Dustin Fowler (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)

2003A Chase Beebe (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)
2004A Mike Benefiel (Fr.), Lombard (Montini)
2004A Conor Beebe (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2004A Brian Martin (So.), Lombard (Montini)
2004A Vince Colletti (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2005A Conor Beebe (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)
2005A Brian Martin (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2005A Mikey Benefiel (So.), Lombard (Montini)
2006AA Mike Benefiel (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2007AA Mike Benefiel (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)
2007AA Garrett Goebel (Jr.), Lombard (Montini)
2008AA Garrett Goebel (Sr.), Lombard (Montini)


Yes, but how many youth programs does it take to feed the machine and
how many High School programs suffer the loss of wrestlers thier community produced for you to be able make this claim for Montini.

Of course they have a staggering number of champions and placers.
That's what an all-star team is supposed to do.

If your gonna shout from the top of the mountain then don't be suprised
when a caveman like myself throws a stone.

[FoxesFan]

Who can beat the dominance of Montini. In the past 8 years Montini has crowned 22 STATE CHAMPIONS!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!


Chase Beebe (4x); Connor Beebe (3x); Mike Grimes (2x); Vince Colletti (2x); Adan Clay; Dustin Fowler; Brian Martin, Mike Benefiel, Garrett Goebel --- That's nine (9) in eight (8) years.

Geezus must be using the new math! :) Seriously, I would have thought there were more than that.

[ScoobysMom]

And only 4 were AA in the past four years
To make a true comparison in the past 4 years 2005-2008
Sandburg leads the pack with 8
St. Rita with 7
Mt. Carmel with 5
GBN with 5
Montini 4
Providence 3

Now go back to the AA board please.

[titan442]

There's always this private vs. public discussion. Personally, I like the fact that both private and public compete together for individual championships. However, I would prefer a public dual championship and a private dual championship to be separate. Then, maybe have a "mega-dual" to conclude the season with the private vs. public champions. That dual would be enormous.

It just doesn't seem right to me that teams that can recruit talent are able to challenge teams that receive their talent. I know that some say that public still recruits--and I don't have the knowledge to combat that--but it seems the playing field isn't level. I don't think any sport separates public vs. private, do they?

Just my own opinions.

[Hwt_Wrestler]

Thats pretty impressive even if it is single A but i bet some of those single A champs would of won AA also... just my oppinion

[MR TWISTER]

And only 4 were AA in the past four years
To make a true comparison in the past 4 years 2005-2008
Sandburg leads the pack with 8
St. Rita with 7
Mt. Carmel with 5
GBN with 5
Montini 4
Providence 3

Now go back to the AA board please.

I prefer to say over the past 7 years Mt Carmel has 11 which moves them a lot closer to the front of the pack....:D

Geezus...take away the A titles and where do you stand against AA the last 7 years, especially since the AA teams did not get a chance to get those easy A titles...

[MR TWISTER]

There's always this private vs. public discussion. Personally, I like the fact that both private and public compete together for individual championships. However, I would prefer a public dual championship and a private dual championship to be separate. Then, maybe have a "mega-dual" to conclude the season with the private vs. public champions. That dual would be enormous.

It just doesn't seem right to me that teams that can recruit talent are able to challenge teams that receive their talent. I know that some say that public still recruits--and I don't have the knowledge to combat that--but it seems the playing field isn't level. I don't think any sport separates public vs. private, do they?

Just my own opinions.Many think that the "Dardanes" were recruited to Oak Park so be careful of the can of worms you may open.

[Geezus]

Class A, Class AA......say what you want-WRESTLING IS WRESTLING. Nobody can take there brackets or medals away and they will always be known as STATE CHAMPIONS. Just because you were a multiple state champion does not mean you count the individual instead of the state titles. Last time I checked in this sport it is VERY HARD to repeat. MONTINI has had 22 State Champions which is very impressive. It says a lot about the program, the coaches, and the athletes. Just a shame everyone will always give them less respect because they couldn't help but dominate the class the IHSA put them in.

Montini doesn't run from anyone and throw stones all you want but when you have the success like Montini, MC, PC, St. Rita than you can voice your opinion.

[MR TWISTER]

Class A, Class AA......say what you want-WRESTLING IS WRESTLING. Nobody can take there brackets or medals away and they will always be known as STATE CHAMPIONS. Just because you were a multiple state champion does not mean you count the individual instead of the state titles. Last time I checked in this sport it is VERY HARD to repeat. MONTINI has had 22 State Champions which is very impressive. It says a lot about the program, the coaches, and the athletes. Just a shame everyone will always give them less respect because they couldn't help but dominate the class the IHSA put them in.

Montini doesn't run from anyone and throw stones all you want but when you have the success like Montini, MC, PC, St. Rita than you can voice your opinion.

What you say is true. Except this year unlike any other year they could control what class they were in..

Now I understand why Coach Bu (who I have tremendous respect for) choose to stay in AA but when I read your post your statement which I highlighted won't work for this year.
Other than that...champs are champs.

[restling]

Class A, Class AA......say what you want-WRESTLING IS WRESTLING. Nobody can take there brackets or medals away and they will always be known as STATE CHAMPIONS. Just because you were a multiple state champion does not mean you count the individual instead of the state titles. Last time I checked in this sport it is VERY HARD to repeat. MONTINI has had 22 State Champions which is very impressive. It says a lot about the program, the coaches, and the athletes. Just a shame everyone will always give them less respect because they couldn't help but dominate the class the IHSA put them in.

Montini doesn't run from anyone and throw stones all you want but when you have the success like Montini, MC, PC, St. Rita than you can voice your opinion.

Is that the way a forum is supposed to be run? Please. Many state champs yes, but it is pretty clear they wouldn't have had that many if they were AA all the time. I don't think dominence is the right term. They are a very talented tema that is for sure, and you don't have to have a lot of state champs to be a great team. They proved that last year.

[MR TWISTER]

Is that the way a forum is supposed to be run? Please. Many state champs yes, but it is pretty clear they wouldn't have had that many if they were AA all the time. I don't think dominence is the right term. They are a very talented tema that is for sure, and you don't have to have a lot of state champs to be a great team. They proved that last year.
While I agree with the rest of your post I don't understand the part I bolded. Are you saying the admin and mods are doing something wrong in the way the forum is run? Please explain for clarity.

I think Geezus was saying those particular teams have an edge on the rest of the competition so they can speak of domination. At least that is the way I saw his post.

[maddog0117]

While I agree with the rest of your post I don't understand the part I bolded. Are you saying the admin and mods are doing something wrong in the way the forum is run? Please explain for clarity.

I think Geezus was saying those particular teams have an edge on the rest of the competition so they can speak of domination. At least that is the way I saw his post.

I'm guessing that person ment using theior opinion since the end of the post, (the bolded portion) says "than you can voice your opinion" .

[restling]

While I agree with the rest of your post I don't understand the part I bolded. Are you saying the admin and mods are doing something wrong in the way the forum is run? Please explain for clarity.

I think Geezus was saying those particular teams have an edge on the rest of the competition so they can speak of domination. At least that is the way I saw his post.

Class A, Class AA......say what you want-WRESTLING IS WRESTLING. Nobody can take there brackets or medals away and they will always be known as STATE CHAMPIONS. Just because you were a multiple state champion does not mean you count the individual instead of the state titles. Last time I checked in this sport it is VERY HARD to repeat. MONTINI has had 22 State Champions which is very impressive. It says a lot about the program, the coaches, and the athletes. Just a shame everyone will always give them less respect because they couldn't help but dominate the class the IHSA put them in.

Montini doesn't run from anyone and throw stones all you want but when you have the success like Montini, MC, PC, St. Rita than you can voice your opinion.


I never said anyting about the mods or admin. He made the comment that you have to have a certain level of success in order to have an opinion. I don't agree with that. That was my take, anyway.

[Jaguar]

Many think that the "Dardanes" were recruited to Oak Park so be careful of the can of worms you may open.
Powell doesn't recruit, but he has an open room in the spring and summer and is a great coach. The Dardanes made their own decision to make the switch.

[raslindad]

I thought all the Montini cheerleaders were relegated to the AA board.

[SWSC 92]

Chase Beebe (4x); Connor Beebe (3x); Mike Grimes (2x); Vince Colletti (2x); Adan Clay; Dustin Fowler; Brian Martin, Mike Benefiel, Garrett Goebel


WHAT PUBLIC SCHOOL WOULD THEY ALL HAVE GONE TOO??????

[titan442]

I guess my point is that this public vs. private thing has been around for years -- and it's not going anywhere. And I think it's a good thing. More rivalries equal more interest. More interest equals higher competition. Higher competition equals more rewarding achievement. Isn't the ultimate goal of wrestling to create and fulfill the highest achievement possible -- on all levels and with all wrestlers?

[titan442]

Chase Beebe (4x); Connor Beebe (3x); Mike Grimes (2x); Vince Colletti (2x); Adan Clay; Dustin Fowler; Brian Martin, Mike Benefiel, Garrett Goebel


WHAT PUBLIC SCHOOL WOULD THEY ALL HAVE GONE TOO??????
I honestly don't know. Where would they have gone?

[Fierce]

And only 4 were AA in the past four years
To make a true comparison in the past 4 years 2005-2008
Sandburg leads the pack with 8
St. Rita with 7
Mt. Carmel with 5
GBN with 5
Montini 4
Providence 3

Now go back to the AA board please.

Amen go waste your time on the AA boards. More than half those class A titles wouldn't have been titles in AA....

[wrestle21]

Chase Beebe (4x); Connor Beebe (3x); Mike Grimes (2x); Vince Colletti (2x); Adan Clay; Dustin Fowler; Brian Martin, Mike Benefiel, Garrett Goebel
WHAT PUBLIC SCHOOL WOULD THEY ALL HAVE GONE TOO??????

Beebe's Lyons TWp right? At least that is what I thought I had heard!
Goebel - Plainfield (not sure which one - I think Central)
Benefield - Oswego

[MR TWISTER]

I thought all the Montini cheerleaders were relegated to the AA board.Right about now they are wandering in the desert...LOL...I feel their pain...they want to be in AAA but are not....and I want them in AAA so we can have a true state championship...let some more students in the school Montini...

[CONDOR]

At least 80percent of the Private school wrestlers were headed to private school no matter what. That is where their parents wanted them, so the recruiting is private school vs. private school. Their is a small percentage of wrestlers who would go to their public school if they didnt get some kind of tuition break at a private school, but those breaks are far less than what we believe. Anyway good luck to everyone no matter what class the IHSA has stuck you in.

[Geezus]

Say what you all want. The private schools develop the best wrestlers. In the most recent years Montini has developed more out of their athletes than all the public schools combined. Before that St. Rita, before St. Rita-Providence and before Providence-Mt. Carmel.

Montini has petitioned to the IHSA to move up to AAA however the IHSA does not want Montini to take away from schools like GBN and OPRF. It's a shame that they don't put the best with the best. AA and AAA will be ran by the private schools

Have a blessed morning to all!

[c62951]

Many think that the "Dardanes" were recruited to Oak Park so be careful of the can of worms you may open.

Did the Dardanes move to Oak Park to attend OPRF . .. or is that we they lived all along ?

[ca-ca-crazy18]

Beebe's Lyons TWp right? At least that is what I thought I had heard!
Goebel - Plainfield (not sure which one - I think Central)
Benefield - Oswego
wrong
beebes hinsdale central/lyons
goebel willowbrook
grimes willowbrook

[wrestlersdad]

Did the Dardanes move to Oak Park to attend OPRF . .. or is that we they lived all along ?
My understanding is that they lived in Oak Park all along. Transferred from Fenwick to OP-RF.

[c62951]

My understanding is that they lived in Oak Park all along. Transferred from Fenwick to OP-RF.

Well then that is not recruiting. They are attending the public school where they reside and where their parents pay taxes.

[MR TWISTER]

Well then that is not recruiting. They are attending the public school where they reside and where their parents pay taxes.
It's called "reverse" recruiting. You get them to leave where they are at and come back to their home school district. Technically the IHSA can't do a thing about it. It happens all of the time.

[Jaguar]

It's called "reverse" recruiting. You getthem to leave where they are at and come back to their home school district. Technically the IHSA can't do a thing about it. It happens all of the time.
Twist, I have to call you out here. The Dardanes were not recruited. No one approached them to go to OPRF. They made their won decisions. I know you say recruiting happens all the time, and I am sure there is actual recruiting that goes on (coach goes to kid and says "Come wrestle for me"), but I refuse to accept that it is the norm. It is illegal. Coaches have been fired for doing it and kids have been banned from competition for it as well. To say that everyone recruits is like saying smoking pot is no big deal because "everyone does it". It is still illegal no matter what your personal opinion is; and the consequences for being caught can be severe.

[MR TWISTER]

Twist, I have to call you out here. The Dardanes were not recruited. No one approached them to go to OPRF. They made their won decisions. I know you say recruiting happens all the time, and I am sure there is actual recruiting that goes on (coach goes to kid and says "Come wrestle for me"), but I refuse to accept that it is the norm. It is illegal. Coaches have been fired for doing it and kids have been banned from competition for it as well. To say that everyone recruits is like saying smoking pot is no big deal because "everyone does it". It is still illegal no matter what your personal opinion is; and the consequences for being caught can be severe.
I NEVER said the Dardanes (or even mentioned their name) was recruited. I am talking about the practice of getting a "quality kid" to leave where he is at (usually a private school) and return to his home school district. It is called "reverse recruiting" and it IS NOT illegal. All you have to do is convince the kid or parents how much money they might save by going to their home school. Parents usually are receptive because they are tired of the financial burden that might happen with a private education.

Now as far as actual recruiting...IT GOES ON...by both private AND public. If you care to pmail me Jaguar I will give you a list of coaches (head and assistant) and schools that I know RECUIT and the list will be both public and private. Once again I NEVER said ALL schools do it but the list is very sizable of schools that I know have tried to recruit a kid or his family. some are a future Hall of Famers.

In American everyone is trying to get an edge. What is the saying "If you are not cheating then you are not trying to win".

[c62951]

It's called "reverse" recruiting. You get them to leave where they are at and come back to their home school district. Technically the IHSA can't do a thing about it. It happens all of the time.

Mr Twister, . . . That is the first time I have ever heard that term. Are you making that up?

[wrestlersdad]

So what is more common in high school wrestling, recruiting or cheating the hydration test?

Poor thread, been hi-jacked what 2 - 3 maybe 4 times now? lol

[MR TWISTER]

Mr Twister, . . . That is the first time I have ever heard that term. Are you making that up?
So because it is the first time you heard a term it means I am making it up?....LOL...my mother use to tell me that what I DID NOT KNOW would make a whole new world....think about it....:cool:

[MR TWISTER]

So what is more common in high school wrestling, recruiting or cheating the hydration test?

Poor thread, been hi-jacked what 2 - 3 maybe 4 times now? lolSo does that include your hijack too...LOL

Hi jacking will stop once the season starts...it always does....:cool:

and the answer to your question is recruiting in my opinion

[wrestlefan12]

I NEVER said the Dardanes (or even mentioned their name) was recruited. I am talking about the practice of getting a "quality kid" to leave where he is at (usually a private school) and return to his home school district. It is called "reverse recruiting" and it IS NOT illegal. All you have to do is convince the kid or parents how much money they might save by going to their home school. Parents usually are receptive because they are tired of the financial burden that might happen with a private education.

Now as far as actual recruiting...IT GOES ON...by both private AND public. If you care to pmail me Jaguar I will give you a list of coaches (head and assistant) and schools that I know RECUIT and the list will be both public and private. Once again I NEVER said ALL schools do it but the list is very sizable of schools that I know have tried to recruit a kid or his family. some are a future Hall of Famers.

In American everyone is trying to get an edge. What is the saying "If you are not cheating then you are not trying to win".

Twist-YOu did say it in a roundabout way. You started the whole conversation by saying that "some think the Dardanes were recruited, so be careful about opening a can of worms."

Not to be disrespectful, but you did start this conversation that way. The boys lived in Oak Park and made the switch from Fenwick. They were not recruited

[MR TWISTER]

Twist-YOu did say it in a roundabout way. You started the whole conversation by saying that "some think the Dardanes were recruited, so be careful about opening a can of worms."

Not to be disrespectful, but you did start this conversation that way. The boys lived in Oak Park and made the switch from Fenwick. They were not recruited
Okay but my point was it was a rumor. I NEVER said they were recruited. I don't know nor do I care if they were. God bless them if they saved that tuition times two and still are able to have quality wrestling. Some of us were not that fortunate.:cool:

[mckbln]

My understanding is that they lived in Oak Park all along. Transferred from Fenwick to OP-RF.

No. They lived in Elmhurst.

[MR TWISTER]

No. They lived in Elmhurst.Uh-oh....is that in the Oak Park - River Forest school district? Just playing the Devil's Advocate here...:D

I like the twins and wish them the best...

[mckbln]

Uh-oh....is that in the Oak Park - River Forest school district? Just playing the Devil's Advocate here...:D

I like the twins and wish them the best...


They moved into the district. They used to live in Elmhurst.

[MR TWISTER]

They moved into the district. They used to live in Elmhurst.
So then that should put a wrap on this how deal. The Dardanes and OPRF are all good. Now all the Huskies have to do is figure a way to beat Providence and the world according to all public schools will be right...:D

[wrestlefan12]

No. They lived in Elmhurst.
They never lived in Elmhurst.