rule question

[maddog0117]

Ok, I know there are a lot of old threads for this out there. However its good to know what's going on in a match. So I have a few questions, and if anyone has anymore questions, this would be a good spot to ask. I think we have enough refs on this forum for that right? anyway:

1. Are you allowed to start in top refere position with both knees on the mat? I saw one person do it once. The ref said nothing, no one did it again.

2. What counts as an illegal slam? I saw a few things that is questoned on Sat.

3.Is pushing downon someones head when you are cutting them (as in take them down let them up) "unsportsmanlike conduct"?

Thankyou in advance for the answers

[bdawg]

I'm certainly not an expert or even an official but according to the NFHS rule book 2007-2008 which most recent I have:
1. rule 5, section 20, art. 5: Offensive starting postion. The offensive starting postion is one in which the wrestler is at the right or left side of an opponent with at least one knee on the near side of the opponent. The near side is the one on which the offensive wrestler places the palm of the hand on or over the back of the elbow. The offensive wrestler's head shall be on or above the spinal column of the opponents back. The other arm (right or left) is placed loosely around the defensive wrestlers body, perpendicular to the long axis of the body, with the palm of the hand placed loosely over the navel. A knee or foot may be placed behind the defensive wrestler's feet. Theoffensive wrestler's leg's or feet may not be in contact with the defensive wrestler.

[bdawg]

2. Rule 7 section 1 Illegal Holds: Art 1....A slam is lifting and returning an opponent to the mat with unnecessary force. This infraction may be committed by a contestant in either the top or bottom position on the mat, as well as during a takedown. A slam shall be called without hesitation.

[bdawg]

I don't believe there is a direct answer to this question except the issue of intentional or malice cause of injury, I.E. force outside normal range of motion.
Once again I'm not an expert by any means, so you should ask an area ref and usually they are very good about explaining these issues if they are appoached with a CALM attitude and not in the heat of the moment, as I have been guilty of myself in the past....lol :eek:

[55663]

1. Yes.

2. Once you lift an opponent off the mat, you are responsible for both his/her safe return and responsible for making sure that you do not return your opponent with unnecessary force. Unnecessary is not a defined term so it will vary from official to official.

3. Do you consider it sporting conduct? If done without much force, I'll usually verbally warn a wrestler to knock it off before going to UR/USC. If done with force or done repeatedly I have no problem calling it UR/USC under 7-4-1/7-4-2.

[wrestler1003]

1. Yes.

2. Once you lift an opponent off the mat, you are responsible for both his/her safe return and responsible for making sure that you do not return your opponent with unnecessary force. Unnecessary is not a defined term so it will vary from official to official.

3. Do you consider it sporting conduct? If done without much force, I'll usually verbally warn a wrestler to knock it off before going to UR/USC. If done with force or done repeatedly I have no problem calling it UR/USC under 7-4-1/7-4-2.

i find #3 so stupid. its a rough sport, if you cannot get up when a guy has his hand on ur head it isnt unnecesary roughness, stalling? maybe. but not unsportsmanlike

[maddog0117]

Cool, good to know. And thank you all for your answers. 1. I have never seen before, interesting though.