Top 15 teams in IL....(updated)...

[mckbln]

1. Carl Sandburg - won the Clash, 1st at Dvorak by a mile...best team in IL
2. St Rita - better than I thought they would be this year
3. Providence
4. Neuqua Valley
5. Grant
6. Glenbard North
7. Wheaton North
8. Libertyville
9. Naperville North
10. Mt Carmel - lost to Marist early season...a better team now
11. OPRF - lost to Conant early season (32-26), but beat Lyons by 20+ points...Lyons beat Conant
12. Joliet
13. Bloomington
14. West Aurora
15. (tie) Marist & Granite City

[pininone]

Where's Argo? You posted before stat girl did so I can see how you overlooked them,but Robinson has cool shoes and tattoos. Thats gotta count for something. :p

[ImpactCoach]

Good duel friday night Naperville North vs. Wheaton North...watch out any predictions North looked tough in the slaughter of Naperville central on friday night especially coming of a tough duel win thursday night over glenbard east I think the DVC is the toughest conference this year

[Srtakedownalot]

Out of those 15 teams u listed 4 of them are from the DVC. Now that's a tough conference to come out of!

[Takedownking]

1.Sandburg
2.St. Rita
3.Providence
4.NV
5.Grant
6.Glenbard North
7.Wheaton North
8.Naperville North
9.Mount Carmel
10.OPRF
11.Libertyville
12.Proviso East
13.Marist
14.Conant
15.Dundee

#7 - 12 man those teams show so much promise if east had upper weights man they would be a fierce dual team. Carmel just has seen better glory days, conant has a few new faces emerging Naperville could if they had some middle weights, oprf seems to be on a mission everytime they step on a mat but lack of middle weights might cost them there regionals, Libertyville a man short and still bringin it (275 sat out the season i believe) and wheaton seems to be build a program that knows wat it takes

[MR TWISTER]

1.Sandburg
2.St. Rita
3.Providence
4.NV
5.Grant
6.Glenbard North
7.Wheaton North
8.Naperville North
9.Mount Carmel
10.OPRF
11.Libertyville
12.Proviso East
13.Marist
14.Conant
15.Dundee

#7 - 12 man those teams show so much promise Carmel just has seen better glory days,

I am so glad that Catholic League and Providence are here so that MC can have a chance to quite the local critics. Many seem to have forgotten that MC lost to St Rita by one(SR closest dual this year) and are a better team now with Brantley back and Califano also in the line up, the holes have disappeared. Yes they lost to Marist by 15(without Brantley, Califano and Morgan) but when healthy MC is a top 5 team and will soon prove it. You heard it here first. Make sure you watch the quarters and semis during the CCL's where MC will meet SR a lot. Should MC prevail be ready to ammend your rankings.

Oh and by the way, this team is looking for it's own glory days. They don't have time to worry about past teams that are now just pictures on the wall and trophy's in the case. The past is the past and the future is now.

[Mainefan]

I agree about Mt. Carmel. If all are healthy:
1. Sandburg
2. Providence
3. Mt. Carmel
4. St. Rita
5. Nequa Valley
6. Glenbard North
7. Marist
8. Libertyville
9. Joliet
10. Granite City
11. Grant
12. Wheaton North

[Jaguar]

I have some observations about the DVC. Most people seem to have Glenbard North, Wheaton North and Naperville North ranked somewhere in the top 15 teams in the state.Those are the more high profile teams in the conference to be sure. Glenbard East has its share of good wrestlers, even if they are not on the same par throughout their line up. They have Deliberto, Soboleski, D.J. Bruce, Tim Walker and Pat Walker . Wheaton-Warranville South has Krauze and McHale. Naperville Central has Piscopo who is ranked. People don't talk much about West Aurora, but they beat Naperville North in their dual this year:

west aurora 36, naperville north 31

They lost by a closer margin to Glenbard North than either Naperville North or Wheaton North:

glenbard north 34, west aurora 29
glenbard north 34, naperville north 28
glenbard north 31, wheaton north 21

Of course, Wheaton North beat them handily:

wheaton north 35, west aurora 19

Sometimes it is all about match ups. Nevertheless, consider the following:

McHenry recently beat Dundee-Crown in a much publiczed meet, but West Aurora soundly defeated McHenry:

McHenry 30 Dundee-Crown 25
west aurora 52 mchenry 11

West Aurora Also lost to Joliet over the weekend:

joliet 29 west aurora 28

But West Aurora had five starters who were missing from the lineup (112, 125, 130, 160 and 189), and they forfeited 189.

There are certainly better teams then the DVC teams, but is there any better conference then the DVC from top to bottom?

[LST]

West is too hot and cold to be a top 10 or 15 team in state. They also do not think like a top 10 team. Providence, Rita and Montini all move guys around in their lineup to maximize matchups and team points- West does not. The top teams scout their opponents- West does not. The top teams know to choose top or bottom against individual opponents- West does not for some silly reason they defer. The top teams all go for bonus points in every match- West does not.The top teams tell their guys not to give up bonus points when they know they will not win and they wrestle defensively to keep that score close- West does not.

West is capable of beating top teams because sometimes they have inspired individuals. Against Wheaton they had guys laying around and not even trying for escapes to win matches or extra takedowns to get bonus points. Then the very next day against Joliet they wrestled great while missing 4 starters, Hood was inspired, Drendle solidly beats a guy he had previously lost, Bowker beats a top wrestler, it was awesome.

I hope the "inspired" team shows up at regionals because NN will be tough.

[MR TWISTER]

West is too hot and cold to be a top 10 or 15 team in state. They also do not think like a top 10 team. Providence, Rita and Montini all move guys around in their lineup to maximize matchups and team points- West does not. The top teams scout their opponents- West does not. The top teams know to choose top or bottom against individual opponents- West does not for some silly reason they defer. The top teams all go for bonus points in every match- West does not.The top teams tell their guys not to give up bonus points when they know they will not win and they wrestle defensively to keep that score close- West does not.

West is capable of beating top teams because sometimes they have inspired individuals. Against Wheaton they had guys laying around and not even trying for escapes to win matches or extra takedowns to get bonus points. Then the very next day against Joliet they wrestled great while missing 4 starters, Hood was inspired, Drendle solidly beats a guy he had previously lost, Bowker beats a top wrestler, it was awesome.

I hope the "inspired" team shows up at regionals because NN will be tough.This is a very true post. I know for a fact the top teams scout, plan, move weights, adjust line ups, tell guys don't get "pinned" for the team, etc. I have also noticed teams that we wrestle that don't come out "hard" against MC but when they wrestle within their conference they go all out. If you want to be the best then you have to wrestle to win and not to lose. Top to bottom DVC has a lot of good teams where I think the CCL depth is not as much but the CCL is by far a great "tournament" conferrence. Yet I have to remind all where the dual team state champ has come from since 1992. Everyone except one has come from the CCL. So I guess the CCL is a decent dual team conference, at least the top 3 teams are.

[Jaguar]

LST - Your observations ring true. Twist - I can never remember exactly what teams are in the CCL. Can you give me the list?

[baddoz11]

Providence
St. Rita
Mt. Carmel
St. Laurence
Loyola
Bishop McNamara
Brother Rice
St. Ignatius
DeLaSalle

I think I am missing at least one

[justmom11]

Gordon Tech and Fenwick are also in the CCL

[MR TWISTER]

Providence
St. Rita
Mt. Carmel
St. Lawrence
Loyola
Bishop McNamara
Brother Rice
St. Ignatius
DeLaSalle

I think I am missing at least one

Add Gordon Tech(host CCL championship Sat.), Fenwick, LEO (founding member-no wrestling as of '02), St Francis De Sales (no wrestling), Hales Franciscan(no wrestling), Guerrin(Holy Cross) I believe is now in CCL(at least they are for baseball and I think wrestling) and Seton will be a full member next year. Many mistake Marist as a CCL team but they are ESC and from time to time Carmel of Mundelien, Marian Catholic and Joliet Catholic have been in CCL in the past but went back to ESC.

[ASNORTH]

Please give perditions based on, which team will win each sectional. Then we can see who will make it to state.

Dundee-Crown has two starters out. Hayes is out for the rest of the year. Nagel, I haven't herd when he'll be back; if he isn't out for the rest of the year. Dundee-Crown will have a hard time winning there sectional with out these guys.

[baddoz11]

Add Gordon Tech(host CCL championship Sat.), Fenwick, LEO (founding member-no wrestling as of '02), St Francis De Sales (no wrestling), Hales Franciscan(no wrestling), Guerrin(Holy Cross) I believe is now in CCL(at least they are for baseball and I think wrestling) and Seton will be a full member next year. Many mistake Marist as a CCL team but they are ESC and from time to time Carmel of Mundelien, Marian Catholic and Joliet Catholic have been in CCL in the past but went back to ESC.
Thanks for the help Mr. Twister....Wasn't thinking straight earlier!!

[mckbln]

Please give perditions based on, which team will win each sectional. Then we can see who will make it to state.

Dundee-Crown has two starters out. Hayes is out for the rest of the year. Nagel, I haven't herd when he'll be back; if he isn't out for the rest of the year. Dundee-Crown will have a hard time winning there sectional with out these guys.
Lake View Sectional: OPRF

St Rita Sectional: St Rita

Edwardsville Sectional: Granite City

Hoffman Estates Sectional: Grant or Libertyville (tough call)

Morton Sectional: Bloomington

Naperville Sectional: Glenbard North

New Lenox Sectional: Carl Sandburg

Rochelle Sectional: Dundee-Crown

[dr.dan]

montini beats everybody but 3,, why does everybody not recognize them
jeolous or what ? top teams in illinois,, mr. twister you know better.

[119Fan]

Montini is not listed because they are talking about AA teams as this is an AA Board.:cool:

[MR TWISTER]

montini beats everybody but 3,, why does everybody not recognize them
jeolous or what ? top teams in illinois,, mr. twister you know better.

Hey dr dan, it is not that everybody does not recognize Montini, it's just that they are like class AA wannabees. No harm intended but they are a class AA team stuck in class A. All of them. The whole program. The wrestlers, coaches and fans belong in class AA instead of A. The real action is in class AA. Okay I said it. You got to admit it, don't you dr dan.

So at this time of year it is time for us AA people to get selfish and worry about our own. I mean if Montini wants all of the glory they really got to get out of A and get in with the real dogs. I personally respect their wrestlers but I think class AA is way harder than class A to win, both individually and as a team. Perfect example look at 125. You can't tell me Bebee does not want to test and get a championship against people like Precin, Morgan, Bullard, Spangler, Hiatt, Webster, Peach, Amato, instead of walking thru class A. Same with Benifeld at 140 or Hannon at 112, etc. etc.And it is a shame that so many good wrestlers can't really compete against the AA guys on championship day.

Even up at NIU (dual team state)you got to admit you guys will spend more time looking over on the AA mat than on your own mat because you will be killing whoever and saying we can go with ...Providence..or Mt Carmel...or St. Rita...or Nequea...or Naperville...or Granite City...or whoever.

By the way good luck to Mikey

[jrbu]

Twist, We wrestled over there two weeks ago. They won't be competitive at the CCL but their kids are still working hard.

[MR TWISTER]

Twist, We wrestled over there two weeks ago. They won't be competitive at the CCL but their kids are still working hard.My bad. I didn't know. So they will be at CCL? hmnnn...interesting stuff

[dr.dan]

all i ask is that :) you change your wording

to top aa teams in illinois
not top 15 teams inillinois,,, otherwise you are not telling it tyhe way it is
:) :) :) :) :D

[Sherman]

who will be the 4 placing teams this year.for instance you may think providence and carol sandburg are the top 2 teams but arent they in the same sectional so obviously one of them is out so with knowing the fromula and who will feed into what team lets see some predictions

[mckbln]

who will be the 4 placing teams this year.for instance you may think providence and carol sandburg are the top 2 teams but arent they in the same sectional so obviously one of them is out so with knowing the fromula and who will feed into what team lets see some predictions
Sure. Here it is based on the 8 sectionals:

1. Lake View: OPRF
2. St Rita: St Rita
3. Edwardsville: Granite City
4. Hoffman Estates: Grant or Libertyville (to close to call)
5. Morton: Bloomington
6. Naperville: Neuqua Valley
7. New Lenox: Carl Sandburg
8. Rochelle: Dundee-Crown

These are the 8 teams I think will be at the IHSA State Team Dual. Some possible upsets may be Glenbard North (Naperville) or Providence (New Lenox). Mt Carmel would have a TOUGH time overcoming St Rita at St Rita, because they do not match up well vs Rita in a dual meet, particularly at the heavier weights.

[mckbln]

all i ask is that :) you change your wording

to top aa teams in illinois
not top 15 teams inillinois,,, otherwise you are not telling it tyhe way it is
:) :) :) :) :D
Well, Dr Dan, seeing that this is a AA board, I don't quite catch your drift. If you are bored with Montini on the "Class A" board, that isn't my problem. The Class AA wanabees need to either get into Class AA, or get the over the Class A moniquer. Sorry, but that is just the way it is.

[xfaceu2]

Mcbln/ You may want to reconsider what Bloomington (can) do. I believe this makes two years in a row we beat Marist.

[MR TWISTER]

Twist, We wrestled over there two weeks ago. They won't be competitive at the CCL but their kids are still working hard.

St Francis DeSales did not show at the CCL which caused the tournament to start late and forced a reseeding of some brackets. To my knowledge they did not call to say they were not coming.

[mwrestler12]

Mcbln/ You may want to reconsider what Bloomington (can) do. I believe this makes two years in a row we beat Marist. how did your 145 do against ours?, if he teched our replacement for gleich, i think we would have won because i think gleich would have held him to a major

[Sherman]

Now seeing that you pick those teams who will be in the semis at state I know DC will need to go through OPRF on oneside and Carl Sandburg and St Rita will be on oneside as well so im curious and exciting to get your imput

[mckbln]

Now seeing that you pick those teams who will be in the semis at state I know DC will need to go through OPRF on oneside and Carl Sandburg and St Rita will be on oneside as well so im curious and exciting to get your imput
Once they get to the state duals, injuries and line-up shuffling will play a major role. We beat Dundee-Crown this year, but both teams had guys out of the line-up. St Rita provides a tough match for Sandburg because of their heavier weights (Simpson, Ward, and McGelligot). Because of the sectional assignments, some of the best duals will take place there, like Glenbard North and Neuqua Valley, Providence and Carl Sandburg. Grant beat Glenbard North earlier in the season, but GN is better now. Granite City and Bloomington are good, but I will be surprised if they make it past the first round.

[Sherman]

you made some well points i believe OPRF against DC will be come down to a final match if and only if both teams have all their wrestlers healthy and wrestling i know at the DC quad OPRF won 32-25 but DC forfeited 160 with Nagel being out and Hayes didnt wrestle Dressel even though Dressel beat him at Dvorak i doubt he would Major hayes which would take a point off of OPRF and you have to think Nagel would at least win via decision making a 9 point swing in his match and the 1 point save by Hayes makes it a 28-25 DC with the heads up So Im not sure great dual non the less

[mckbln]

you made some well points i believe OPRF against DC will be come down to a final match if and only if both teams have all their wrestlers healthy and wrestling i know at the DC quad OPRF won 32-25 but DC forfeited 160 with Nagel being out and Hayes didnt wrestle Dressel even though Dressel beat him at Dvorak i doubt he would Major hayes which would take a point off of OPRF and you have to think Nagel would at least win via decision making a 9 point swing in his match and the 1 point save by Hayes makes it a 28-25 DC with the heads up So Im not sure great dual non the lessKeep in mind that we had a freshman filling in at 171 lbs (who got pinned) for Smith (sr) who will be back in time for the Regionals. That could have been a 12 point swing....like I said, we won't know for sure. Nagel would definitely beat our guy, and yes Dressel would still beat Hayes. Hopefully we will get to see it!