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Old 03-13-2018
ratherthrowyathenknowya ratherthrowyathenknowya is offline
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ratherthrowyathenknowya,

They should not even look at a video of the match. If you are bringing video of a match to the officials at any tournament let alone an off-season tournament you may be a little crazy. What if they all said they agreed it was wrong? Do you think they were gonna change the outcome? Not a chance. I have seen it at the IHSA state tournament where people bring video and guess what, no decision has ever been reversed.
I don't think they were looking to get a call reversed.The ref would not even let his coach ask for an explanation at the mat table.The coach was not yelling at all or disrespectful during the match actually he and a few others had thought his guy won the match and the scorer gave points to the wrong kid.
The man asked in a calm tone for an explanation and all he got was "walk away"while the ref was shouting back at fans who were either on deck or in the hole questioning the call

I would think the reason the coach wanted the tape to be looked at was because he couldn't get a explanation from the ref of the match.The tape was the only way a head ref or or someone in charge would be able to explain why it was scored that way.IMO he was entitled to that.
I agree he wasn't gna get the call reversed. If a coach believes he is right and mistreated by a ref he should go to the people in charge and since none of the brass saw the match the tape was all he had.His kid was railroaded that was clear .All the drama could of been avoided if the ref just explained his logic.

I already stated no one is perfect and missed calls happen. It was the refs attitude that provoked this not the coach iwcoa or wrestlers .Like we heard in the coaches meeting "a little respect goes a long way"well that goes both ways for refs and coaches.
Again I say this was one instance I was there to witness other then that the officials and tournament directors were fantastic all weekend
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Old 03-13-2018
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I do think if the coach asked respectfully he should have gotten a response. I was there and had conversations with a few refs about calls. They were very open about explaining their rationale. I still did not agree with all of them but at least they explained what they were thinking. The video at the head table thing is a little crazy to me.
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I do think if the coach asked respectfully he should have gotten a response. I was there and had conversations with a few refs about calls. They were very open about explaining their rationale. I still did not agree with all of them but at least they explained what they were thinking. The video at the head table thing is a little crazy to me.
Rebel, me and you are on the same page. If you politely go to the head table to ask for an explanation. I do believe you should be afforded that. Man, we had a kid at PW score a last second td awarded to us that would have sent the kid to the finals at Assembly Hall. It was waived off by the second ref. I pleaded with him non-verbally to just explain his rationale. He refused to come. Good ref by the way. Parents were disappointed but I asked them, "what do you want me to do flip the table over?" They said, "Yes!" I said I have too much respect for the sport and it would set a HORRIBLE example for our kids and kids in general. Plus, a free escort out of the arena! We let it go. Our sport is very difficult to ref. control, loss of control, and even stalling are very subjective. I admire and respect what our refs do. And they really receive no appreciation. One ref told me that whichever ref gets booed the loudest at the Hall during introductions gets their meal paid for after!!! Well deserved.

But what is next, a coach or parent throwing a red flag for an instant replay? On the jumbo tron? Not happening. We have to live with those calls. And it is a good lesson in life. As one of my coaches told me when I was young, "Bobby, life is full of disappointments!" And it is, wrestling is a great life mentor. The key is to ride out those disappointments and enjoy the triumphs. that's it.

By the way, the man, the myth, the legend Coach Wiek sp? grabbed me after that semifinal match and put his arm on my shoulder and I swear he said, "I don't know why they have two refs out there, it only takes one to f....up a match. That made me feel better.
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Rebel, me and you are on the same page. If you politely go to the head table to ask for an explanation. I do believe you should be afforded that. Man, we had a kid at PW score a last second td awarded to us that would have sent the kid to the finals at Assembly Hall. It was waived off by the second ref. I pleaded with him non-verbally to just explain his rationale. He refused to come. Good ref by the way. Parents were disappointed but I asked them, "what do you want me to do flip the table over?" They said, "Yes!" I said I have too much respect for the sport and it would set a HORRIBLE example for our kids and kids in general. Plus, a free escort out of the arena! We let it go. Our sport is very difficult to ref. control, loss of control, and even stalling are very subjective. I admire and respect what our refs do. And they really receive no appreciation. One ref told me that whichever ref gets booed the loudest at the Hall during introductions gets their meal paid for after!!! Well deserved.

But what is next, a coach or parent throwing a red flag for an instant replay? On the jumbo tron? Not happening. We have to live with those calls. And it is a good lesson in life. As one of my coaches told me when I was young, "Bobby, life is full of disappointments!" And it is, wrestling is a great life mentor. The key is to ride out those disappointments and enjoy the triumphs. that's it.

By the way, the man, the myth, the legend Coach Wiek sp? grabbed me after that semifinal match and put his arm on my shoulder and I swear he said, "I don't know why they have two refs out there, it only takes one to f....up a match. That made me feel better.
God bless Coach Wieck. Sounds exactly like something he would say.
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Old 03-14-2018
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God bless Coach Wieck. Sounds exactly like something he would say.
Mainefan, Thank you for correcting the spelling of one of the greatest ambassadors for out sport in the World, let alone Illinois. I should have spelled it right. And, my uncle and God Father founded the Mount Greenwood Colts. Lots of kids went and wrestled at MTC for him. He is a legend......
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